IRC log of html-media on 2015-11-10

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Zakim, this will be 63342
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 10 November 2015
16:09:32 [paulc]
present+ paulc
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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Present: paulc
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: paulc
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, joesteele, MattWolenetz, davide, markw, Josh_Soref, timeless, robink, cwilso, slightlyoff, adrianba, trackbot
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present+ jdsmith
16:10:53 [plh]
present+ plh
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present+ davide
16:11:22 [MattWolenetz]
present+ MattWolenetz
16:11:39 [joesteele]
scribe: joesteele
16:11:40 [plh]
present+ Joe
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chair: paulc
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present+ joesteele
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Nov/0014.html
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Chair: paulc
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Scribe: joesteele
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topic: Status of MSE heartbeat
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16:13:39 [paulc]
ACTION-98?
16:13:39 [trackbot]
ACTION-98 -- Jerry Smith to Publish heartbeat by nov 15 for mse -- due 2015-11-15 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/98
16:13:50 [joesteele]
paulc: Jerry you have ACTION-98 to get us ready — please give us status. What are the editors planning?
16:14:09 [joesteele]
jdsmith: haven’t sorted which issues we want to pickup for the heartbea, but have talked to PLH about how to proceed
16:14:22 [joesteele]
… he needs a summary of the changes since the last heartbeat
16:14:42 [joesteele]
plh: I need that list to go to the director for approval — if not substantive changes we dont need approval
16:14:52 [joesteele]
jdsmith: how is substantive changes defined?
16:14:58 [timeless]
s/dont/don't/
16:15:04 [joesteele]
plh: no formal deifnition — anything not editorial
16:15:12 [timeless]
s/heartbea,/heartbeat,
16:15:21 [joesteele]
jdsmith: I will make a pass since its been a while
16:15:33 [joesteele]
??1: I can help you Jerry
16:15:45 [joesteele]
paulc: does MSE have a changelog where we have been tracking?
16:15:55 [joesteele]
??1: all the changes I have made are in there
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jdsmith: listed by issue
16:16:36 [joesteele]
paulc: even if there arent substantive changes, if we had a section that directed readers to that list of items and ptrs to the most important that would be useful
16:16:38 [MattWolenetz]
joesteele: ??1 is MattWolenetz
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s/??1/MattWolenetz/
16:17:02 [joesteele]
jdsmith: I don’t think any are substantive
16:17:06 [paulc]
Tr page change log: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#revision-history
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s/Tr/TR/
16:17:19 [jdsmith]
https://w3c.github.io/media-source/#revision-history
16:17:23 [joesteele]
paulc: does somone have link to the editors draft?
16:17:50 [joesteele]
… so lets move on to the ones you need to do
16:18:05 [joesteele]
… can just point the reader to the recent history
16:18:15 [paulc]
MSE issues ready for implementation (13): https://github.com/w3c/media-source/labels/needs%20implementation
16:18:29 [joesteele]
… so will we go ahead with the heartbeat? or do the editors feel that one or more of the outstanding items should be included?
16:18:44 [joesteele]
… we can always publish right away and then publish again later
16:18:57 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: would prefer to publish frequently
16:19:17 [joesteele]
paulc: given that we have 6 weeks — lets publish as quickly as we can
16:19:28 [joesteele]
… there is a moratorium during THkanisgivng week?
16:19:39 [joesteele]
plh: if you give me Thursday I can publish this week
16:19:46 [joesteele]
paulc: Ok we will try to give to you today
16:19:51 [plh]
http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fmedia-source%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fmedia-source%2F
16:19:59 [joesteele]
plh: I don’t blieve there are substantive changes either
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s/blieve/believe/
16:20:15 [joesteele]
plh: just one step in an algorithm
16:20:31 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: there are more bugs like that on the docket for implementation
16:20:44 [joesteele]
… is substantive something that would put us bakc to last call?
16:20:53 [joesteele]
plh: no — just look at the link I gave you
16:21:02 [joesteele]
… I don;t see any changes there
16:21:10 [joesteele]
… just give me the go ahead and I will do the rest
16:21:38 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: one piece that there is no issue tracking is that some references are wrong in the document — in the ReSpec script
16:21:54 [joesteele]
… might not be in the editors draft but in the previous heartbeat
16:22:03 [joesteele]
… we are still operating under the old process
16:22:08 [joesteele]
plh: I will look into it
16:22:22 [joesteele]
… do we want to inbound the registrys at the same time?
16:22:30 [joesteele]
paulc: dont think there have been any changes at all there
16:22:34 [joesteele]
… editors confirm?
16:22:41 [joesteele]
jdsmith: no changes I know of
16:22:59 [joesteele]
jdsmith: are you talking about the link to the policy?
16:23:16 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: yes I think we are operating under the older policy — the editors draft is incorrect about the process
16:23:17 [paulc]
Resolved by the Media TF to publish an MSE update ASAP and possibly this week. No changes have been made to the registries. The published document needs to process to the old W3C Process.
16:23:42 [joesteele]
plh: are we under the latest process? or 2014?
16:24:39 [paulc]
Respec puts in a link to the 2014 process but MSE is under the old process.
16:24:41 [joesteele]
paulc: respec puts in a link to the 2014 process but MSE is under the old process
16:24:48 [joesteele]
plh: I will fix
16:25:11 [joesteele]
paulc: can Matt and ?? get the information to PLH be EOD?
16:25:20 [joesteele]
jdsmith: I think he should have the go ahead
16:25:21 [paulc]
We are ready to go to publish the document.
16:25:31 [joesteele]
plh: you will get an email from me if there are issues
16:25:54 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: the links to the registry are all from March of this year — no update needed
16:26:10 [plh]
ACTION: plh to publish the heartbeat
16:26:10 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-107 - Publish the heartbeat [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2015-11-17].
16:26:12 [joesteele]
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16:26:27 [joesteele]
plh: I think we can close action-98 at this point
16:26:35 [paulc]
close ACTION-98
16:26:35 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-98.
16:27:11 [joesteele]
paulc: wont go through the 13 issues the editors need to implement, but make sure they notice pull request 9 is anchored on bug 2933
16:27:17 [joesteele]
jdsmith: believe that is done
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s/wont/won’t/
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paulc: does not seem to be marked as done
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jdsmith: says that it is merged and closed but no timestamp
16:28:10 [joesteele]
s/jdsmith: says/MattWolenetz: says/
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topic: MattWolenetz
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topic: Recent new MSE bugs and issues (4)
16:28:47 [joesteele]
paulc: 3 new issue since the F2F
16:29:07 [joesteele]
paulc: have you looked at 35, 36 and 37 yet?
16:29:19 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: have not looked yet
16:29:34 [joesteele]
paulc: ok editors — will take a pass over issues 35-37 and respond in the issues
16:30:23 [paulc]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/35
16:30:27 [joesteele]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/35
16:30:29 [joesteele]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/36
16:30:30 [joesteele]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/37
16:31:18 [joesteele]
topic: ISSUES 10, 14, 15, 24
16:31:21 [paulc]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/10
16:31:24 [paulc]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/14
16:31:27 [joesteele]
paulc: have not seen progress — where do we stand?
16:31:27 [paulc]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/15
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https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/24
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ISSUE-10 - createObjectURL() not up-to-date with File API (Matt)
16:32:07 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: there is not an immeidate answer, looks like it would be a breaking change
16:32:11 [paulc]
F2F discussion: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/29-html-media-minutes.html#item04
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s/immeidate/immediate/
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paulc: looks like we went offline after this discussion — no followup
16:32:57 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: I put something in the actual issue — need to figure out what to do with the issue
16:33:14 [joesteele]
… think it would be a breaking change as current apps assume auto-revocation
16:33:23 [joesteele]
… if we change the implementation could break those apos
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s/apos/apps/
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paulc: could editors propose what they would like to do?
16:33:40 [joesteele]
… we can get feedback
16:33:51 [joesteele]
jdsmith: I assume we must line up with the latest spec
16:34:04 [joesteele]
… can we keep an obselete definition?
16:34:18 [joesteele]
paulc: PLH were you in the room for this discussion? do you have an opinion?
16:34:26 [joesteele]
plh: …
16:34:33 [joesteele]
plh: I can take a look offline
16:34:45 [joesteele]
paulc: lets get advice from the team here then
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… PLH if you can repsond on the bug that would help
16:35:05 [joesteele]
topic: ISSUE 14
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issue-14?
16:35:08 [trackbot]
Sorry, but issue-14 does not exist.
16:35:36 [joesteele]
paulc: if we can define a stable implementaitonon on the new API we can proceed
16:35:53 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: we need to get that stable reference from Dominik — something we can rely on
16:36:13 [joesteele]
… this is in the needs followup/need implementation limbo
16:36:30 [joesteele]
paulc: beleiebe the new technical impelemntation refers to the stable stream API
16:36:41 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz:need to make sure stuff confirms to the new stable reference
16:36:45 [paulc]
Next: https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/15
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topic: ISSUE-15
16:36:58 [joesteele]
paulc: Matt you have an action on this
16:37:09 [paulc]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/15
16:37:13 [paulc]
ACTION-99?
16:37:13 [trackbot]
ACTION-99 -- Paul Cotton to Action mattwolenetz to split bug27242 into issues -- due 2015-11-05 -- OPEN
16:37:13 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/99
16:37:21 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz:have a question about that
16:37:35 [joesteele]
… for Jerry around which example was being referred to with the long frame display
16:37:54 [joesteele]
jdsmith: I was having trouble recllaing at the F2F I can comment in the issue
16:38:03 [joesteele]
s/recllaing/recalling/
16:38:31 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz:3 issues were identified in one issue — I will split out 2 of the issues and comment on the original bug
16:38:37 [joesteele]
… Jerry will make the original response
16:39:06 [joesteele]
s/make the original response/comment on the oroginal bug/
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topic: ISSUE-24
16:39:30 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: this is pending the impleemntaiont of issue-11 to look for side effects
16:39:38 [joesteele]
https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/24
16:39:52 [joesteele]
paulc: so 11 is at the front of the to be implemented list
16:40:03 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: in addition to foloowing up on appendStreams
16:40:23 [joesteele]
topic: CFCs on V.Next features
16:40:42 [joesteele]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Nov/0012.html
16:40:51 [joesteele]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Nov/0013.html
16:41:02 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: I saw the CFC yesterday
16:41:15 [joesteele]
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16:41:25 [joesteele]
paulc: these close next Monday
16:42:02 [joesteele]
… there are actually 4 issues marked as feature requests
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… we dealt with 14 earlier
16:42:26 [joesteele]
… 7 the BMFF byte stream format should support layered encodings is marked a s afeature request done on Sept 10th
16:42:39 [joesteele]
… have we ever confirmed with Jerry or Matt?
16:43:04 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: in the advance telecom prior to F2F we went over all of these issues
16:43:15 [joesteele]
… this one seems to be V.Next and we marked it as such at the time
16:43:22 [joesteele]
… does not support scalable codecs
16:43:29 [joesteele]
… was never meant to be v1
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… Mark had also made this request on behalf of Google — we should have clarified that up front
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… since it is filed, in my opinion basd on previous discussions, this doesnt appear to be something we can do in V1
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… without breaking things
16:44:35 [joesteele]
paulc: no further action for now then
16:44:51 [joesteele]
… trying to get out of CR and want to clean up things this might be resolved at that time
16:45:21 [joesteele]
markw: what Matt says is correct — this should be V.Next
16:45:36 [joesteele]
topic: Test Suite Status
16:45:47 [joesteele]
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/29-html-media-minutes.html#item17
16:45:54 [joesteele]
paulc: when should e see progress on this?
16:46:13 [joesteele]
MattWolenetz: driving down “needs implementation” issues right now
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paulc: any other questions on this?
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topic: next meeting
16:47:03 [joesteele]
… Tuesday before the holiday?
16:47:18 [paulc]
Tue Nov 24th
16:47:25 [joesteele]
… not hearing any objections
16:47:29 [paulc]
s/holiday/USA holiday/
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paulc: that seems like it for today
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… disucss EME in two weeks
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s/disucss/discuss/
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ACTION: plh to publish the heartbeat [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-html-media-irc#T16-26-10