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19:39:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:39:16 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2015
19:39:36 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:40:21 <clown> agenda: this
19:40:50 <clown> agenda+ Reminder: check that all new ARIA 1.1 spec have actions for the Core-AAM.
19:41:13 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-723 - 734: Updated UIA role mappings (mostly landmarks).  Close these issues?
19:41:20 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1527: (Joseph) UIA mapping of aria-current.  Review edits.
19:41:29 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1737: (Joseph) Mappings for table and cell roles. Review edits.
19:41:36 <clown> agenda+ Cynthia: issues with text alternative calculation.
19:42:05 <clown> agenda+ Actions/issues/bugzillas triage for ARIA 1.1
19:42:19 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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19:44:43 <clown> topic WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 17–Nov-2015)
19:44:50 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 17–Nov-2015)
19:52:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> I have to leave after 25 minutes - just a heads up
19:57:35 <joanie> yes
19:57:51 <joanie> s/yes//
20:00:49 <joanie> scribe: Joanie
20:00:54 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
20:02:10 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:02:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reminder: check that all new ARIA 1.1 spec have actions for the Core-AAM." taken up [from clown]
20:02:41 <joanie> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:02:51 <joanie> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
20:02:55 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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20:04:02 <joanie> JS: I wanted to remind everyone that if you see something in the spec which needs to be dealt with in the core mapping, please let me know.
20:04:11 <joanie> JS: So we can create actions.
20:04:17 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:04:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-723 - 734: Updated UIA role mappings (mostly landmarks).  Close these issues?" taken up [from clown]
20:04:26 <joanie> JS: This requires Cynthia.
20:04:43 <clown> issue-723?
20:04:43 <trackbot> issue-723 -- UIA mapping for application incorrect -- raised
20:04:43 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/723
20:04:44 <joanie> JS: Cynthia filed just over 10 issues about certain UIA mappings.
20:05:05 <joanie> JS: For example issue-723 is the mapping for role application.
20:05:14 <joanie> JS: (Reads corrected mapping)
20:05:42 <joanie> JS: While you were at TPAC, I've updated these mappings as per Cynthia's issues.
20:05:47 <joanie> JS: Many of these are landmarks.
20:05:54 <joanie> JS: There is an issue with Banner.
20:06:17 <clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-search
20:06:19 <joanie> s/Banner/search/
20:06:35 <joanie> JS: I had to update the UIA mapping, and I noticed there is nothing for MSAA+IA2.
20:06:45 <joanie> JS: Then I looked at the release and there's nothing there either.
20:06:55 <joanie> JS: We've never had a mapping for this, going back to 2008.
20:07:00 <joanie> JS: Does anyone know what it is?
20:07:05 <joanie> BG: No.
20:07:21 <joanie> JS: The cell is just blank and has been blank for a long time.
20:07:29 <joanie> JS: Can I give someone an action to figure out what it is?
20:08:06 <clown> action:  Joanie to determine what the MSAA+IA2 mapping for role="search"
20:08:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1738 - Determine what the msaa+ia2 mapping for role="search" [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-17].
20:08:10 <joanie> JD: If you mean IA2, I have recently set up a Windows box and can look.
20:08:15 <joanie> JS: Action crated.
20:08:45 <joanie> JS: What were you planning to use?
20:08:49 <joanie> JD: AccProbe
20:09:05 <joanie> RS: Chrome and Firefox each use IA2.
20:09:21 <joanie> JS: IE used to. IE 8 does IA2 mappings.
20:09:26 <joanie> RS: I've not heard that.
20:10:38 <joanie> s/IE used to. IE 8 does IA2 mappings./Did IE ever use IA2?/
20:12:23 <joanie> Topic: DPub Mappings
20:12:38 <joanie> RS: I would like people to look at the DPub mappings if they have the time.
20:13:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html
20:13:07 <joanie> RS: This is going to be a FPWD. (link above)
20:13:17 <joanie> JS: At this point, they just have roles, right?
20:13:19 <joanie> RS: Correct.
20:13:26 <joanie> RS: We've listed a number of issues in here.
20:13:43 <joanie> RS: I'd like to see if anyone finds any significant issues/concerns.
20:14:09 <joanie> RS: They have a number of links in here. I don't know if they'll stay. And there is an Editor's note about it. So I wouldn't be too concerned about those.
20:14:34 <joanie> RS: I also have some TBDs in there, if anyone has any details to fill them in.
20:15:02 <joanie> JS: How did navigation fare?
20:15:23 <joanie> JS: I set up a couple of tables for Tzviya because she wanted to see how the tables were done.
20:15:42 <joanie> JS: In one of them, I said it was done the same way navigation was done.
20:16:43 <joanie> JS: I noticed that in many cases the mapping for IA2 and ATK are object attributes.
20:16:58 <joanie> JD: We have quite a few roles in ATK which will map, so I'll take a look.
20:18:33 <clown> <table role="navigation" …>
20:19:12 <joanie> Zakim, next item
20:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1527: (Joseph) UIA mapping of aria-current.  Review edits." taken up [from clown]
20:19:22 <clown> action-1527
20:19:22 <trackbot> action-1527 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Investigate the proper uia mappings for aria-current -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN
20:19:22 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1527
20:19:30 <joanie> JS: I've put in the edits Cynthia suggested for UIA.
20:19:55 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent
20:20:23 <joanie> JS: Whatever the value of aria-current is, is exposed. It's a name-value pair.
20:20:47 <joanie> JS: I know that sometime in the future this may change, but she indicated in the action that for now this mapping is what should be done.
20:21:00 <joanie> RS: It's a name-value pair where?
20:21:23 <joanie> JS: In the AriaProperties.
20:21:46 <joanie> JS: You can think of AriaProperties as ATK's object attributes.
20:21:56 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 5
20:21:56 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Cynthia: issues with text alternative calculation." taken up [from clown]
20:22:06 <joanie> Zakim, close this item
20:22:06 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
20:22:07 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:22:07 <Zakim> 3. ACTION-1527: (Joseph) UIA mapping of aria-current.  Review edits. [from clown]
20:22:21 <joanie> Zakim, close item 3
20:22:21 <Zakim> agendum 3, ACTION-1527: (Joseph) UIA mapping of aria-current.  Review edits., closed
20:22:23 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:22:23 <Zakim> 4. ACTION-1737: (Joseph) Mappings for table and cell roles. Review edits. [from clown]
20:22:30 <joanie> agenda?
20:22:53 <clown> action-1737?
20:22:53 <trackbot> action-1737 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Determine mappings for ARIA 1.1 table and cell role for all AAPI platforms. -- due 2015-11-13 -- OPEN
20:22:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1737
20:22:56 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 4
20:22:56 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-1737: (Joseph) Mappings for table and cell roles. Review edits." taken up [from clown]
20:23:07 <joanie> JS: I did the mappings for table and cell roles for all platforms.
20:23:30 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-table
20:23:34 <joanie> JS: The above is table.
20:24:44 <joanie> JD: The role mapping is correct, but you missed the ATK/AT-SPI2 table interface.
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20:24:59 <joanie> JS: The directive was to copy what's in grid, but change the xml-role.
20:25:17 <joanie> JD: Grid should also implement the table interface on my platform.
20:25:25 <joanie> present+ Cynthia_Shelly
20:25:26 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-table
20:25:38 <joanie> JS: Is the UIA mapping correct, Cynthia?
20:27:56 <cyns> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee671650(v=vs.85).aspx
20:28:01 <joanie> JD: Oh wow, no interfaces at all in the Core mapping spec for my platform.
20:28:49 <joanie> action Joanie to provide all the missing ATK/AT-SPI2 interfaces for Joseph
20:28:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1739 - Provide all the missing atk/at-spi2 interfaces for joseph [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-11-17].
20:29:04 <joanie> CS: The control type is table; not data grid.
20:29:21 <cyns> Control Type = Table
20:29:32 <cyns> which implements the Grid and Table Patterns
20:29:55 <joanie> CS: I also put a link to the documentation in (above)
20:30:11 <joanie> JS: Both Grid and Table patterns?
20:30:20 <joanie> CS: Yes. A Table is a Grid with headers.
20:30:44 <joanie> JS: I believe that I got the AX API mappings from Joanie.
20:30:54 <joanie> JD: I'm not remembering that, but perhaps.... :)
20:31:32 <joanie> JD: I think it was an earlier meeting, and someone who was not scribing had a Mac handy.
20:32:16 <joanie> JS: Moving on to cell
20:32:19 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-cell
20:32:27 <joanie> JS: The role mappings are above.
20:32:56 <joanie> CS: So this is a table cell; not a grid cell?
20:32:58 <joanie> JS: Correct.
20:34:01 <cyns> Control Type = TableItem
20:34:02 <joanie> JD: I'm pretty sure that IA2 has a table-cell interface because we "stole" it for ATK/AT-SPI2.
20:34:40 <cyns> Must support selection pattern and must not support invoke pattern
20:34:40 <cyns> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee671649(v=vs.85).aspx
20:36:39 <joanie> JS: Cynthia, should table also support selection?
20:36:55 <joanie> CS: No. Table pattern and Grid pattern for ARIA role table.
20:37:10 <joanie> CS: I don't think our table supports invoke, so I don't think that will be a problem.
20:37:24 <joanie> CS: We just made a change that anything with an onclick handler supports invoke.
20:37:50 <joanie> JS: Other questions or comments on cell?
20:38:03 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
20:38:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reminder: check that all new ARIA 1.1 spec have actions for the Core-AAM." taken up [from clown]
20:38:07 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 2
20:38:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-723 - 734: Updated UIA role mappings (mostly landmarks).  Close these issues?" taken up [from clown]
20:38:29 <joanie> JS: Cynthia, you filed a number of issues which were to change the UIA role mappings for a number of things.
20:38:37 <joanie> JS: I have made the changes. Do you want to confirm them?
20:38:44 <joanie> CS: Yes.
20:38:48 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-application
20:39:00 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_role_table
20:39:17 <joanie> JS: You can go to this URL (above). You'll see a button that says "view as a single table".
20:39:38 <joanie> JS: Then you can show/hide columns, so you can hide everything that's not UIA.
20:39:50 <joanie> CS: Banner looks good.
20:39:57 <joanie> CS: Complementary looks good.
20:40:22 <joanie> CS: Contentinfo should be content information
20:40:36 <joanie> CS: Main is correct.
20:40:42 <joanie> CS: Search is correct.
20:40:50 <joanie> CS: Navigation is correct.
20:41:30 <joanie> CS: Article... I may have misunderstood the purpose of this role after having spoke with Matt King. So let's leave the article action open for now.
20:41:41 <joanie> JS: I don't think Article is a landmark.
20:41:54 <clown> issue-730
20:41:54 <trackbot> issue-730 -- UIA mapping for article incorrect -- raised
20:41:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/730
20:41:58 <joanie> s/article action/article issue/
20:42:03 <joanie> CS: Definition is correct.
20:42:12 <joanie> CS: Log is correct.
20:42:16 <joanie> CS: Math is correct.
20:42:26 <joanie> CS: Note is correct.
20:42:52 <joanie> JS: I will close all the issues but application and article.
20:43:03 <joanie> JS: I'll also close content info after I have correct it.
20:43:06 <joanie> CS: Sounds good.
20:43:25 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 3
20:43:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1527: (Joseph) UIA mapping of aria-current.  Review edits." taken up [from clown]
20:43:43 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent
20:43:49 <joanie> JS: You gave me the answer Cynthia. I just want to make sure I got it right.
20:43:57 <joanie> JS: (reads it)
20:44:07 <joanie> CS: That is correct for now.
20:44:33 <joanie> CS: The link you gave me says "not mapped"
20:44:43 <joanie> CS: Correction, wrong one.
20:45:31 <joanie> RESOLUTION: Close action-1527.
20:45:40 <clown> +1
20:47:16 <clown> close action-1527 based on consensus from the 10-Nov-2015 AAPI meeting.
20:48:15 <joanie> close action-1527
20:48:15 <trackbot> Closed action-1527.
20:48:29 <joanie> note action-1527 Closing based on consensus from the 10-Nov-2015 AAPI meeting.
20:48:29 <trackbot> Notes added to action-1527 Investigate the proper uia mappings for aria-current.
20:49:15 <joanie> Topic: Name Computation
20:49:25 <joanie> s/Name/Text Alternative/
20:49:36 <joanie> CS: I think I'll put in issues for things I've found.
20:49:59 <joanie> CS: We started trying to implement it and read into issues due to vagueness in the text.
20:50:09 <joanie> JS: As far as I know, it's the same as 1.0. Just editorial.
20:50:24 <joanie> CS: There was a high-level issue trying to piece together the ARIA and HTML computations.
20:50:42 <joanie> CS: I know we intentionally separarted it. But when you go to implement it, it's really confusing.
20:50:51 <joanie> CS: I spent multiple hours working with my dev.
20:51:09 <joanie> CS: The other high-level piece of information is that that ARIA one is much more complete than the HTML one.
20:51:27 <joanie> JS: I get the impression that the intended audience for the ARIA one is authors.
20:51:41 <joanie> JS: And the intended audience for HTML, implementors.
20:52:21 <joanie> JS: If you create the issues, Cynthia, we will then have open items we can discuss.
20:52:24 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html
20:52:41 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#mapping_additional_nd_te
20:53:08 <joanie> CS: The first comment is on step 2a.
20:53:21 <joanie> CS: (Reads step 2a)
20:53:57 <joanie> CS: We only care if we reach the current node via computation; not if it's contained in any reference (gives example).
20:54:49 <joanie> JD: You have an example you can share?
20:54:55 <joanie> CS: I'll put it in the issue.
20:55:53 <joanie> CS: (Points out other issues fairly rapidly, but tells scribe she will put them in the issues she creates.)
20:56:49 <joanie> CS: There are several places where the ARIA one mentions the host-language one, but the HTML one doesn't address it.
20:57:00 <clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-wai-aria-implementation-20140320/#mapping_additional_nd
20:57:48 <joanie> JS: (Reads note from the 1.0 version for which the link is above)
20:58:16 <joanie> CS: It was unclear what HTML elements and attributes applied.
20:58:29 <joanie> CS: Do we own that?
20:58:38 <joanie> JS: HTML AAM is part of the ARIA github tree.
20:59:10 <joanie> JS: The editors are Steve, Alex, and Jason.
20:59:31 <joanie> JS: I would like them to replicate the structure of the SVG AAM.
20:59:49 <joanie> CS: I think I'll start with issues here and then figure out which need to be moved into bugs against them.
21:00:01 <joanie> CS: And we can point to the SVG AAM if and as appropriate.
21:00:05 <joanie> JS: We can do that.
21:00:25 <joanie> CS: Are they using bugzilla or github or...?
21:00:28 <joanie> JS: Bugzilla.
21:03:42 <joanie> Zakim, part
21:03:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Bryan_Garaventa, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly
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