IRC log of html-a11y on 2015-11-05

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present+ LJWatson
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present+ Chaals
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present+ Janina
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Meeting: HTML accessibility TF
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chair: chaals
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agenda+ More for the agenda?
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zakim, close item 8
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agendum 8, More for the agenda?, closed
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. More for the agenda? [from chaals]
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agenda?
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16:10:15 [chaals]
present+ judy, JF
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, More for the agenda?, closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. accesskey http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html [from chaals]
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "accesskey http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html" taken up [from chaals]
16:11:30 [LJWatson]
scribenick: LJWatson
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CMN: Did some work on the accesskey spec.
16:11:48 [chaals]
-> http://discourse.wicg.io/t/user-interaction-with-web-apps/1177 discussion of the proposal in WICG
16:11:53 [LJWatson]
... Pushed it to WICG.
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... Immediate feedback was that I need to explain the background better.
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... It prompted some other issues that I'm starting to file on Github.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:13:15 [JF]
Notes a big thanks to Leonie for posting her notes on Git / Githyb
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... This doesn't follow the pattern of creating a JS API and letting developers mess around with it.
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... I've also started to write some tests. Turns out HTML accesskey is almost entirely inimplemented that I can tell.
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... The exception being Firefox.
16:14:57 [chaals]
s/HTML/HTML5's improvements to/
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s/Firefox/firefox having a fragile but minimally useful accessKeyLabel implementation/
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zakim, close this agendum
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. meeting at tpac [from chaals]
16:15:36 [janina]
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4. "panelsets https://github.com/bkardell/common-panel" taken up [from chaals]
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CMN: Léonie wrote an introduction article, was supposed to be published yesterday, but hasn't been yet.
16:16:48 [ShaneM]
Present+ ShaneM
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LW: When the article is published it'll be posted to WICG with links to the draft spec.
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CMN: Would be helpful to know if people have difficulty with the WICG Discourse?
16:18:00 [LJWatson]
... Personal preference is that we push discussions there when possible.
16:18:25 [LJWatson]
... Has anyone looked at the panels/panelsets spec?
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JF: Sadly no.
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CMN: It's fairly short, please do.
16:18:45 [chaals]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. meeting at tpac [from chaals]
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agenda?
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zakim, take up item 6
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agendum 6. "input-modality" taken up [from chaals]
16:20:01 [LJWatson]
CMN: Somewhere in WICG is a draft that in some parts overlaps the idea of user context that came out of IndieUI and is now in ARIA.
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... A way of figuring out how people are interacting with controls.
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... Worth keeping an eye on this, people are working on it and looking to build prollyfills etc.
16:21:22 [LJWatson]
https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34
16:21:23 [chaals]
ACTION: chaals to post pointer to the input-modality proposal
16:21:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-340 - Post pointer to the input-modality proposal [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-11-12].
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close action 340
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close action-340
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Closed action-340.
16:22:02 [chaals]
s|https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34|-">https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34|-> https://discourse.wicg.io/t/exposing-a-users-input-modality/1067/34 input modality proposal|
16:22:22 [chaals]
zakim, take up item 5
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agendum 5. "accessibility API" taken up [from chaals]
16:23:07 [LJWatson]
CMN: Idea is to build an API that gives scripted access to the accessibility APIs.
16:23:22 [LJWatson]
... Worth looking at.
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... There is a CG working on this.
16:23:55 [chaals]
zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "meeting at tpac" taken up [from chaals]
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CMN: Will post minutes. Everyone here was at TPAC.
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s|http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02||
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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-> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html#item02 minutes from TPAC session with PF
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CMN: For now we'll continue with this TF. The Web Platform WG is looking to do accessibility work to be done in the WG like other kinds of work.
16:25:44 [LJWatson]
... Recognise we need to co-ordinate with APA. Web Platform will be proactive about doing that.
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... People find different modes and tools harder or more comfortable. We'll work to make it as easy as possible.
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JS: Good summary.
16:26:37 [chaals]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. accessibility API [from chaals]
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zakim, close item 5
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agendum 5, accessibility API, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. input-modality [from chaals]
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zakim, close item 6
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agendum 6, input-modality, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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7. work list and wish list https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Wishlist_for_HTML5.1 [from chaals]
16:27:25 [LJWatson]
CMN: We have things we wanted to work on, some of which are in progress, some of which we haven't taken up - sometimes because we don't have the cycles.
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... Anyone have time/inclination to take anything on?
16:28:37 [ShaneM]
I continue to feel like footnotes are important. It isn't really an A11Y issue exclusively. But there havent been any good proposals
16:28:38 [JF]
Q+
16:28:48 [chaals]
ack jf
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CMN: Agree.
16:29:06 [LJWatson]
JF: David MacDonald has done some work on footnotes I believe.
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... Can reach out to him to get the info.
16:29:25 [LJWatson]
SM: I co-ordinated with David, so I have it somewhere.
16:29:32 [chaals]
ACTION: ShaneM to update us on the status of footnotes
16:29:32 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-341 - Update us on the status of footnotes [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-11-12].
16:29:36 [LJWatson]
... It isn't a fully hashed out proposal.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:30:46 [chaals]
[adjourned]
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rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent, please part
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: chaals to post pointer to the input-modality proposal [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-irc#T16-21-23
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ACTION: ShaneM to update us on the status of footnotes [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-html-a11y-irc#T16-29-32