IRC log of sdw on 2015-11-04
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be SDW
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 04 November 2015
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- zakim, code?
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- I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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- regrets+ Ed
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- present+ kerry
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- zakim, code?
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- I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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- present+ BartvanLeeuwen
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- present+ jtandy
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- zakim, code?
- 19:59:41 [Zakim]
- I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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- ... 703609
- 20:00:42 [Linda]
- present+ Linda
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- present+ frans
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- I am not hearing much at the moment
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- it was no one talking
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- chair: kerry
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- scribe: simon
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- present+ billroberts
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- some help for scribes: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
- 20:03:48 [MattPerry]
- present+ MattPerry
- 20:03:53 [kerry]
- scribenick: simoncox
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- Apologies from me, I can't dial in (I'm next to a municipal swimming pool and about to leave to go home) Normal service should be resumed next week
- 20:04:17 [SimonCox]
- present+ SimonCox
- 20:04:22 [ahaller2]
- present+ ahaller2
- 20:04:28 [Linda]
- The agenda is:
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- 1.Sapporo F2F Update and discussion 2.Future work plan 3.UCR second public draft and remaining issues 4.Candidate best practice topics for BP doc
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- present +
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- present_ ChrisLittle
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- present+
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- present+ ChrisLittle
- 20:06:02 [kerry]
- http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
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- 20:06:14 [frans]
- Has TimBL really joined this meeting?
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151104
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- Bart, were you able to be in a photograph with him?
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- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
- 20:07:39 [jtandy]
- http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151104
- 20:08:28 [Linda]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- Motion: approve minutes
- 20:08:35 [billroberts]
- sorry, missed the 21 Oct call
- 20:09:05 [kerry]
- +2
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- No objections (but wasn't there
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- +1
- 20:09:19 [ChrisLittle]
- missed 21st too
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- resolved: minutes approved
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- s/resolved/resolution/
- 20:09:40 [ahaller2]
- patent call
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- resolution: minutes approved
- 20:10:56 [jtandy]
- http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
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- Topic: Sapporo update
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- Discussion on candidate best practices for BP document
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- 5-6 non-regular people, one new face offered testing and implementation
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- Significant offer of resources
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- (name not known)
- 20:15:02 [jtandy]
- http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/
- 20:15:09 [ChrisLittle]
- * was it Tanagi-san?
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- 1. Linking data
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- 2. publishing with clear semantics
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- 3. anabling discovery
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- 4. assignment of identifiers
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- 5. large datasets
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- not addressed: exposing through APIs
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- not discussed - spatial, observations
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- (also help from data on the web best practice group)
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- OPPORTUNITY! control our scope
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- drop topics that are general as they are already under control in dwwg
- 20:17:37 [frans]
- q+
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- incl. discovery, assignment of identifiers
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- Cite solutions from DWBP where they have a scope that matches SDWWG requirements and expectations
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- e.g.
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- 1. publishing data with clear semantics - focus on semantics of spatial relationships
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- 2. enabling discovery, 3. linking data - Ed not enamoured of current SDIs - catalog ... service endpoint ... query endpoint - this is NOT 'data on the web'
- 20:20:07 [billroberts]
- +1 to Ed's reported opinion. I generally lose the will to live before finding anything useful from INSPIRE
- 20:20:09 [SimonCox]
- can't trawl endpiints, leverage links - have to *query*
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- Browsing not supported.
- 20:20:54 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- +1
- 20:21:02 [SimonCox]
- (this was consensus in meeting)
- 20:21:05 [kerry]
- +1
- 20:21:11 [Linda]
- +1
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- q+
- 20:21:53 [SimonCox]
- what is this catalogue thing?
- 20:22:02 [kerry]
- +q?
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- ack frans
- 20:22:54 [AndreaPerego]
- present+ AndreaPerego
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- -q?
- 20:23:15 [SimonCox]
- frans: reduce scope will have big impact on BP document
- 20:23:24 [kerry]
- ack next
- 20:25:02 [SimonCox]
- SImonCOx: clarify distinction being made between catalogues and search-engines
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- Kerry: it was findability
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- q+
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- q?
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- ack SimonCox
- 20:26:30 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 to Simon's comment
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- ack ChrisLittle
- 20:26:45 [SimonCox]
- things being harvested into catalogue/index need to be more link rich and support finding atomic items, not just datasets
- 20:27:06 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
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- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:28:21 [AndreaPerego]
- http://geodcat-ap.semic.eu:8890/api/
- 20:28:27 [SimonCox]
- andrea: geodcat-ap - has API for CSW
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- convert from ISO 19115/19139 -> RDF/RDFa
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- optimise what is exposed through catalogues
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- can embed metadata in HTML pages, more findable
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- but not enough links!
- 20:30:04 [SimonCox]
- findable but still not _linked_
- 20:30:41 [frans]
- Yes, promoting assigning URIs to thing will be a big step forward
- 20:30:54 [billroberts]
- q+
- 20:30:59 [frans]
- s/thing will/things will/
- 20:31:14 [kerry]
- ack next
- 20:31:15 [SimonCox]
- simon: Capabilities response needs to include links, not lists!
- 20:31:18 [jtandy]
- +1 to AndreaPerego 's comment
- 20:31:40 [SimonCox]
- billroberts: difficult to link to a specific item
- 20:32:07 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- q+ to explain about the bug in your ear at TPAC
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- billroberts: want boundary of Edinburgh, not shapefile of all LGA boundaries
- 20:32:22 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 to granularity
- 20:32:41 [frans]
- In favour of INSPIRE: it has semantics that are harmonized in Europe. Quite an achievement!
- 20:32:43 [kerry]
- ack BartvanLeeuwen
- 20:32:43 [Zakim]
- BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to explain about the bug in your ear at TPAC
- 20:32:53 [SimonCox]
- (THat looks like a strong requirement)
- 20:33:29 [jtandy]
- also +1 to getting the granularity of linking right
- 20:34:01 [SimonCox]
- Bartvanleeuwen: ? spatial properties shoudl be links ?
- 20:35:00 [AndreaPerego]
- s/shoudl/should/
- 20:35:08 [SimonCox]
- Bart: need adapter to expose existing services (WFS) as linked data
- 20:35:23 [SimonCox]
- Bart: started work in context of Dutch fire services
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- Bart: demo later this month?
- 20:36:04 [SimonCox]
- Jeremy: timbl keen that we cover OpenStreetMap
- 20:36:21 [frans]
- Do we have a liaison with OSM?
- 20:36:23 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 to OSM UC
- 20:36:39 [SimonCox]
- OSM - great adoption, must be doing something right
- 20:36:45 [kerry]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Theme_-_BPs_to_hand_over_to_other_WGs_in_W3C_or_OGC
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- SImon: tools?
- 20:37:12 [frans]
- Or a contact with linkedgeodata.org (which is based on OSM)?
- 20:37:34 [jtandy]
- @frans ... no liaison yet - but I think we can chase up some links to those orgs
- 20:37:54 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: proposed new item, joint not w DWWP group
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- Hadley Beeman, Dan Brickley
- 20:38:53 [frans]
- They will be glad to hear TimBL supports their efforts
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- TOPIC: future work plan
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- Kerry: main Wiki page updated w updated workplan
- 20:40:09 [SimonCox]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables
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- 20:40:28 [frans]
- I am not screaming
- 20:40:54 [SimonCox]
- BP to be published December
- 20:41:14 [jtandy]
- q+ to note about proximity between BP FPWD and OGC TC
- 20:43:58 [kerry]
- q?
- 20:44:33 [ChrisLittle]
- OGC WGs can issue drafts easily
- 20:44:57 [jtandy]
- SimonCox: OGC working drafts are just posted to pending documents - no review period
- 20:45:21 [SimonCox]
- QUestion around how OGC can publish 'public working drafts'
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- and how fast
- 20:45:36 [kerry]
- ack jtandy
- 20:45:36 [Zakim]
- jtandy, you wanted to note about proximity between BP FPWD and OGC TC
- 20:45:39 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 to simon corrcting Jermey
- 20:46:17 [SimonCox]
- OGC TC in Sydney week commencing 30 November
- 20:47:34 [jtandy]
- SimonCox: can you reverse the order of starting Time and SSN work?
- 20:47:52 [SimonCox]
- Future meetings will consider SSN, Time for half of meeting
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- alternating weeks, approx.
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- q+
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- Coverage deliverable - work to start in March
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- q-
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- q+ to talk about F2F
- 20:49:16 [SimonCox]
- TOPIC: UCR document
- 20:49:31 [billroberts]
- can we add a hopefully very brief item to today's agenda: confirmation of date/location of next F2F?
- 20:50:26 [SimonCox]
- 6-8 February meeting at Geonovum, on Best Practices
- 20:50:30 [billroberts]
- 6/7 Feb is Sat/Sun - that's ok for me, but just to check no mistake?
- 20:50:34 [Linda]
- It's 8 - 10, right?
- 20:50:54 [SimonCox]
- 3-day meeting (lined up with local linked-data meeting)
- 20:51:15 [SimonCox]
- 8-10 February meeting at Geonovum, on Best Practices
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- ... and other topics for SDDWG
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- s/SDDWG/SDWWG/
- 20:52:20 [SimonCox]
- OGC TC in SYdney - report to GeoSemantics domain working group
- 20:52:44 [jtandy]
- (the final day of the next F2F, 10th Feb, should include interactions with the Linked Data community to validate our work so far)
- 20:52:45 [SimonCox]
- 1/2 hour
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- will proceed with regular teleconference anyway (7am Sydney time)
- 20:53:47 [SimonCox]
- TOPIC: UCR document
- 20:54:20 [frans]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/17)
- 20:54:38 [SimonCox]
- Motion: issue 17 - medium resolution global grid?
- 20:54:42 [frans]
- PROPOSAL: The candidate requirement "It should be possible to represent a medium resolution global grid, e.g. 90m raster data across the globe." will not be included in the UCR document.
- 20:54:57 [SimonCox]
- -1
- 20:55:27 [SimonCox]
- sorry - +1
- 20:55:30 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 not include
- 20:55:31 [jtandy]
- +1 ... not include this requirement
- 20:55:35 [billroberts]
- +1
- 20:55:35 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- +1
- 20:55:36 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:55:36 [MattPerry]
- +1
- 20:55:37 [Linda]
- +1
- 20:55:41 [Ian_Holt]
- +1
- 20:55:57 [frans]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/27
- 20:56:01 [SimonCox]
- Resolution: no 90m global grid
- 20:56:17 [frans]
- PROPOSAL: Add a note to the description of the "Coverage in Linked Data" deliverable in the UCR document: "The OGC is currently working on refinements of ISO 19123 (in particular, the OGC Coverage Implementation Schema 1.1), which could result in specifications that allow a higher level of interoperability of implementations. The Working Group will also consider these forthcoming standards."
- 20:56:36 [SimonCox]
- Motion: issue 27 - add note that new OGC work is in scope
- 20:56:47 [kerry]
- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html kerry
- 20:57:00 [ChrisLittle]
- +1
- 20:57:00 [SimonCox]
- (can't change charter, but can point it out in UCR document)
- 20:57:08 [SimonCox]
- +1
- 20:57:13 [Linda]
- +1
- 20:57:13 [kerry]
- +1
- 20:57:16 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- +1
- 20:57:16 [MattPerry]
- +1
- 20:57:17 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:57:17 [Ian_Holt]
- +1
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- +0
- 20:58:01 [kerry]
- q?
- 20:58:09 [kerry]
- ack jtandy
- 20:58:09 [Zakim]
- jtandy, you wanted to talk about F2F
- 20:58:32 [SimonCox]
- Jeremy: OGC CIS is too closely coupled to GML approach?
- 20:59:33 [jtandy]
- q-
- 20:59:35 [ChrisLittle]
- +1 to looser rather than tighter coupling
- 20:59:38 [SimonCox]
- Jeremy: must avoid close coupling with implementation choice.
- 20:59:48 [jtandy]
- +1 to considering them
- 20:59:55 [SimonCox]
- Resolution: can consider new OGC work
- 21:00:04 [SimonCox]
- on coverage implementations
- 21:00:25 [SimonCox]
- Next meeting: 2015-11-11
- 21:00:49 [BartvanLeeuwen]
- thx bye
- 21:00:57 [ChrisLittle]
- bye and thank you
- 21:00:57 [Ian_Holt]
- thanks. bye
- 21:00:57 [AndreaPerego]
- Thanks, and bye!
- 21:00:57 [Linda]
- Bye!
- 21:01:00 [ahaller2_]
- thx bye
- 21:01:02 [MattPerry]
- bye
- 21:01:02 [billroberts]
- thx!
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- 21:01:08 [frans]
- bye! And thanks Kerry & Simon
- 21:01:08 [kerry]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html kerry
- 21:01:11 [SimonCox]
- rrsagent , draft minutes
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html SimonCox
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- exit
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