04:32:44 RRSAgent has joined #credentials 04:32:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-irc 04:33:02 Zakim has joined #credentials 04:33:21 rrsagent, make logs member 04:33:32 chair: manu 04:33:44 yaso has joined #credentials 04:33:53 scribe: yaso 04:34:12 Meeting: Credentials TPAC breakout 04:34:22 rrsagent, make minutes 04:34:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html dezell 04:39:43 m4nu: the spec is called Identity credentials spec, it's a working title 04:41:06 ... some examples of credentials: driver's license, etc.. this are all examples of credentials 04:41:17 MattPisut has joined #credentials 04:41:56 ... education orgs like universities and the job market wants to make sure that someone can prove their education 04:42:31 ... banking sector ensuring that you're regulatory compliant, control substances, and things like certifications 04:42:56 .. there even a group of certifications that you can get around corrosion engineering 04:43:05 ... the credentials CC have about 1 year 04:43:28 ... 67 members, weekly telcos 04:43:48 ... we' re going to pilot projects so it is not theoretical 04:44:19 ... we have been trying to get something started around this work on w3c for about 1 year, we want to see Use Cases from companies that they are spending money on 04:44:40 ... the question that we ask is: what is the most compelling use case that you company has 04:44:44 Jmr has joined #credentials 04:45:11 ... and what types of technologies do you use today to credentials, and what kind of things do you want from this ecosystem 04:45:23 ... what a ecosystem should be able to do? 04:46:25 ... we have payments orgs, education orgs, healthcare, government, NGO, 04:47:08 ... all of this orgs are interested in the credentials work 04:48:40 ... the 1st question: what kind of capabilities want to see as priority in the work, 04:49:46 ... as you can see, just about everything was raising, we had about 70% of the answers said that this items are important 04:50:20 AxelPolleres has joined #credentials 04:50:40 will notes/slides be made available? 04:50:47 ... we asked if do existent technologies address the user credential needs, what technologies do you use today 04:51:08 kura has joined #credentials 04:51:41 ... this is not automated for this organizations, we need to go back and find out what they are using, I think that one of the things that pops out here is that orgs still uses very manual processes to do credentials 04:52:41 ... next question: do these technologies meet your needs? 9 answered that don't know, many said they meet some of our credential needs, but not all of them 04:53:20 rrsagent, make logs public 04:54:36 ... we (the Credentials CG) have this people called holders - those who receive credentials, issuers - those who issue credentials, identity providers - who store credentials and credential consumers - those who request credentials 04:55:20 ... what we're trying to do here is make sure that there is going to be thousands of tools so these orgs can use to communicate between each other 04:55:56 ... we do have reference implementations 04:56:21 ... we are at TPAC, we have a demo, if you want to see, come find me 04:57:03 ... part of the outcome of that meeting was "seems like the orgs are interested in doing this job" - we have to answer those question in a way that makes sense 04:57:26 ... this is an open question to the room: "what else do we need to get the work done at w3c" 04:57:37 q? 04:57:51 ack kiyoung 04:58:02 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 04:58:31 kiyoung: payments instruments also could involve credentials in the use - is that in the scope? 04:58:37 q+ to ask about payment instruments 04:58:47 m4nu: personally, yes. But we have to talk w/ w3c members 04:59:20 q? 05:00:30 I think instruments and credentials connected seamlessly. 05:02:02 +1 on the congratulations, seems like a very solid evidence basis for moving forwards 05:02:25 ack dezell 05:02:25 dezell, you wanted to ask about payment instruments 05:02:30 q+ to ask about identity 05:02:31 q? 05:02:32 How’s that related to eID … there are quite some efforts for integrating/standardizing eIDs e.g. in EU, https://www.eid-stork.eu/ … probably known here… I guess even if you say identity itself is out of scope, one should at least be interoperable with such efforts? Is that on the agenda? 05:03:15 q? 05:03:19 ack Axel 05:03:19 AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about identity 05:03:34 ack AxelPolleres 05:03:59 m4nu: identity is just a collection of credentials 05:04:12 ... that is how identity is in scope 05:04:28 Ian has joined #credentials 05:04:31 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #credentials 05:04:53 Laurent has joined #credentials 05:04:57 dezell: we have some folks here w/interest at ietf 05:05:14 Jim has joined #credentials 05:05:47 jheuer has joined #credentials 05:05:55 for me, one of the people who managers the app layers at ietf - I think this would definitely tie some other things at ietf 05:06:40 @@: Start with credentials ; don't focus on identity; that's the right approach 05:07:53 kodonog has joined #credentials 05:08:18 m4nu: the work is getting problem getting started, that's because there was so many fails, people are shy to say "we're starting again" 05:08:44 barryleiba has joined #credentials 05:08:55 ... this is something that is still unsolved and it's an issue that orgs are struggling with 05:08:59 q? 05:09:00 q? 05:09:02 q+ 05:09:13 q+ 05:09:16 ack Ian 05:09:36 ian: we did not have a chance to dive in 05:09:37 ack Ian 05:09:48 q? 05:11:02 m4nu: the issue are the social structures around trust, and how do we map this to the web 05:11:18 to the scribe: the names from the IETF discussion are Barry Leiba (IETF), Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC), and Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) 05:11:26 thanks kodonog 05:11:44 q? 05:12:05 Ian: the challenges is not creating attributes to credentials 05:12:35 ... are there mechanism that will help establish meaning and trust? 05:13:55 m4nu: the group is working in linked data and other strategies so the organization can trace from where the credential came from, other strategy: you submit your credential to a institution and this institution can verify 05:14:26 ... educational orgs are very interested, this approaches seems to work for them 05:14:28 q? 05:15:22 AxelPolleres: this is an approach to establish trust frameworks 05:15:39 * Axel = Axxel Nennker 05:15:47 s/xx/s/ 05:15:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html dezell 05:15:55 thanks jheuer 05:16:07 sorry AxelPolleres is the "tab" autocomplete 05:17:48 ack joerg 05:17:51 ack jh 05:18:57 I have one request 05:20:37 q? 05:20:42 q? 05:20:46 q+ 05:21:09 ?: there was some discussion about credential management API 05:21:39 Jmr has joined #credentials 05:21:57 q+ 05:22:05 ? = keiji 05:22:25 m4nu: the only thing that we are unsure now is where this is stored 05:22:40 Credential draft scope: an abstraction for verifiable attributes, includes payment instruments (bascially doing payment authorization), and it might be useful for identity use as well (though not prioritized) 05:23:29 q+ 05:23:32 ack Adr 05:24:13 m4nu: we are playing around with the holder definition 05:24:29 ... for example: you can hold a credential that talks about someone else 05:24:48 AdrianHB: the other thing was: considering use cases where the subject is a thing 05:25:18 This software agent has the credentials to act on behalf of ... etc. 05:25:23 So +1 05:25:38 ack nick 05:25:48 m4nu: in the format that we have right now, it's designed to represent any kind of thing 05:26:32 nick: other people at w3c could have some valuable inputs to the conversation 05:26:39 (which charter?) 05:27:19 zakim, close the queue 05:27:19 ok, dezell, the speaker queue is closed 05:27:33 ... it's not totally clear for me the scope, seems that there is a lot of things on the table, difficult to say what should not be there 05:28:09 (Ian feels strongly that the "storage" question should be addressed by allowing different parties to store information...including the browser.) 05:29:01 nick: there is no browsers at the cc so far 05:29:29 m4nu: there is a spec, we tried to narrow the scope down 05:29:39 ... we believe that we can talk about a credential format 05:29:47 ... and then we can talk about browser api 05:29:58 q? 05:30:02 ack Jim 05:31:22 rrsagent, draft the minutes 05:31:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html yaso 05:31:36 yaso has left #credentials 05:33:56 barryleiba has joined #credentials 05:34:05 barryleiba has left #credentials 05:35:33 nick has joined #credentials 05:36:45 MattSaxon has joined #credentials 05:39:13 AxelPolleres has joined #credentials 05:43:36 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 05:49:44 yaso has joined #credentials 05:52:17 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 05:58:36 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 06:08:21 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 06:11:33 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 06:18:22 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 06:18:53 Ian has left #credentials 06:26:31 Dezell_ has joined #credentials 06:27:14 Zakim, bye 06:27:14 Zakim has left #credentials 06:27:39 nick has left #credentials 06:27:42 Rrsagent, bye 06:27:42 I see no action items 12:52:36 RRSAgent has joined #credentials 12:52:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-irc 12:52:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:52:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html m4nu 12:57:27 i/scribe: yaso/Topic: A Path Toward A Credentials WG at W3C 12:57:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:57:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html m4nu 12:58:12 i/payments instruments also/Topic: Discussion/ 12:58:25 s/Discussion\/Discussion 12:58:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:58:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-credentials-minutes.html m4nu 13:18:19 MattSaxon has joined #credentials 13:53:41 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 19:08:59 m4nu has joined #credentials 21:52:44 m4nu has joined #credentials 23:04:35 MattSaxon has joined #credentials 23:25:59 m4nu has joined #credentials 23:34:38 AdrianHB has joined #credentials 23:44:23 nick has joined #credentials