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I'd like to welcome those colleagues from the IETF who took advantage of the proximity of the IETF meeting next week in yokohama 23:32:37 shepazu has joined #TPAC 23:32:46 judy-zhu has joined #tpac 23:32:46 ... I am also please that Vint Cert was able to join us today 23:32:50 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:32:51 ... I'm calling our panelists 23:32:56 JeffH_ has joined #tpac 23:32:57 kaoru has joined #tpac 23:33:02 ... Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the WWW and Director of the W3C 23:33:07 annbass has joined #tpac 23:33:10 ... Vint Cerf, father of the Internet 23:33:21 ... and Jun Murai, best known as the Internet Samurai 23:33:21 kiyoung has joined #tpac 23:33:28 Ian has joined #tpac 23:33:30 ... format of the panel is very unstructured 23:33:40 ... I wanted to encourage conversation 23:33:49 scribenick: Ian 23:33:59 RRSagent, make minutes 23:33:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html koalie 23:34:02 kiyoshi has joined #tpac 23:34:11 i|Jeff: This year|scribenick: koalie| 23:34:37 shepazu has joined #TPAC 23:34:42 Jeff: (to panelists) What should we be doing better as organizations? What is it important that these orgs should be working more closely together? 23:34:55 marie has joined #tpac 23:35:02 kiyoshi has joined #tpac 23:35:07 MarkS has joined #tpac 23:35:07 vint: It's pretty clear that the W3C code call space tends to lie above the IETF layer, but there are clearly overlaps like the hot topic of security. 23:35:09 npdoty has joined #tpac 23:35:10 minami has joined #tpac 23:35:11 Alan has joined #tpac 23:35:18 tidoust has joined #tpac 23:35:19 myakura has joined #tpac 23:35:25 vint:...one thing that would be helpful if it's not already happening is for the two organizations to share their work plans 23:35:39 daisuke has joined #tpac 23:36:00 vint: W3C and IETF leadership should look for ways to share current state of developments 23:36:23 igarahi has joined #tpac 23:36:34 xueyuan has joined #tpac 23:36:51 yuwei has joined #tpac 23:36:58 ShaneM has joined #tpac 23:37:01 Jun: In Japan, we've hosted IETF and W3C meetings ...more than 30 years have passed since the origins and now everyone is using the technologies, and driving new requirements 23:37:03 olivier has joined #tpac 23:37:05 Toshi has joined #tpac 23:37:05 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:37:22 ats has joined #tpac 23:37:23 naomi has joined #tpac 23:37:24 ...I think that the Web developments are also having an impact on the lower layers, so it's especially important that the two bodies work closely 23:37:38 ...that's why the Japan internet group decided to host both the meetings over these two weeks 23:37:42 yosuke has joined #tpac 23:37:47 shepazu has joined #TPAC 23:37:53 mathieucitrix has joined #tpac 23:38:22 David_clarke has joined #tpac 23:38:36 timbl: Layering was really important to the ability to create the Web. 23:38:49 Kepeng has joined #tpac 23:38:55 francois has joined #tpac 23:39:05 ...to put layering in perspective: you can run IP over anything and it's scaled from 300 baud to much faster. 23:39:24 ...the web browser that I wrote will still run over much faster networks thanks to the layering 23:39:35 Sungmin_Jang has joined #tpac 23:39:36 ...though we have layers you have to break layers from time to time 23:39:38 [for those interested on discussing this layering and its needed evolutions, there is a breakout session for that: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas#Interacting_with_the_Networking_Layer_.28please_keep_early_in_the_day_due_to_participants_constraints.29 ] 23:39:49 ...e.g., when you need to determine whether you trust a connection you look at TCP 23:40:01 ..and when things break you need to be able to look into the lower layer to see what went wrong 23:40:08 ats_ has joined #tpac 23:40:15 ...e.g., I couldn't connect to a site due to a DNS issue 23:40:20 ...layer breaking lets you fix things 23:40:39 kborchers has joined #tpac 23:40:39 ...furthermore, now we have things like WebRTC / RTC Web 23:40:45 oonishi has joined #tpac 23:41:04 sakkuru has joined #tpac 23:41:08 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:41:12 ...you can build a P2P network between web pages...so you can build a whole new system exchanging packets on your own mesh network, all running in a browser 23:41:17 ...the layers get churned up 23:41:34 Jun: that's a good point about connected efforts of engineering 23:41:58 kunio has joined #tpac 23:42:05 ...as Tim said, when the Web tries to create a P2P communication model on the edge side, which is very important in terms of traffic on the network moving forward 23:42:22 matsuki has joined #tpac 23:42:25 ...eventually it's going to be a big engineering issue around traffic...protocol design.... 23:42:43 Jeff: We got a lot out of the first question! Security, real-time..... 23:42:50 Vint: One other observation if I may stop you. 23:43:03 ....this discussion shows you that anything can be encapsulated within anything else. 23:43:12 nicktr has joined #tpac 23:43:14 dveditz has joined #tpac 23:43:17 ...as a result we are seeing a lot of technology interacting 23:43:31 ..the standards bodies that are concerned with devices such as mobile are also being swept into these discussions. 23:43:37 Arnaud has joined #tpac 23:43:45 shoko has joined #tpac 23:43:45 ...so not just IETF and W3C but also the standards-makers of the mobile world (e.g., 3GPP, ITU) 23:43:56 ....or new radio frequencies in the upper ranges 23:44:07 ohsumi_ has joined #tpac 23:44:16 ...the implications for the future is that there will be more people, companies, researchers interested in a variety of aspects, including security 23:44:25 Norm has joined #tpac 23:44:26 Jeff: we are all familiar with security and the lack thereof. 23:44:32 ...where did we go wrong and how are we going to fix it? 23:44:42 hitsujiwool has joined #tpac 23:44:49 Vint: I have an anecdote to share that is a source of schizophrenia for me. 23:45:10 ...started work on TCP with Bob Kahn .... and I started early working with NSA to design packet cryptography 23:45:14 RRSAgent, draft minutes 23:45:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 23:45:25 ....the previous problem with crypto was that there was continuous crypto between points 23:45:28 dino has joined #tpac 23:45:30 Ralph has joined #tpac 23:45:37 ...we had the possibility of packets arriving out of order, so packet crypto was new 23:45:46 ...this was coming from defense dept and they wanted security 23:45:54 ...we started working on this in 1975 23:46:11 ...some of the equipment was classified so I couldn't share with students or others without clearance 23:46:21 fwtnb has joined #tpac 23:46:27 ...in 1977, two of my colleagues published their paper on public key crypto 23:46:32 ...but they didn't tell you how to do it. 23:46:41 ...and 1977 was on the edge of standardizing TPC v. 4 23:46:53 ...I need to get something implemented and by 1978 I need to get something built 23:47:03 ...we freeze the design one year before RSA.... 23:47:11 ...there were a lot of operating systems back then, too 23:47:16 ...we spent 4 years doing implementations... 23:47:25 ...if I could go back in time and say "hang on just 1 more year...." 23:47:36 ...we didn't quite catch the technology at the right time. 23:47:46 ...but we were able to retrofit the architecture with the technology. 23:47:57 tomoyuki has joined #tpac 23:48:06 ...the other part, that I recall was 32-bit address space (rather than IPV6 128bit) 23:48:16 ....I can explain how we came up with 32 bit 23:48:27 ...we had just done Arpanet...and it wasn't cheap 23:48:30 judy-zhu has joined #tpac 23:48:33 ...we guessed 2 nets per country 23:48:37 ...we guessed 128 countries 23:48:44 Yoshi has joined #tpac 23:48:49 AxelPolleres has joined #tpac 23:48:56 ....we came up with 256.....then we guessed the number of computers 23:49:10 ....we came up with 32 bits based on size of computers at the time 23:49:11 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:49:15 ..and we thought that was enough for an experiment 23:49:28 s/..and/... and/ 23:49:37 s/....we/... we/ 23:49:39 ...and then in 1977 we had an argument on variable length addresses...we rejected that due to processing power 23:49:39 s/....we/... we/ 23:49:44 nigel has joined #tpac 23:49:50 s/....I/... I/ 23:49:52 RRSAgent, draft minutes 23:49:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 23:49:59 ...then we thought maybe 128-bit address space...but that seemed crazy for an experiment. 23:50:06 ...we thought we would start with an experiment and then increase from there 23:50:11 ...but the experiment escaped the lab! 23:50:20 ....sorry I am defending myself 23:50:28 fluffy has joined #tpac 23:50:34 Jun: This is a great story about security! 23:50:46 QingAn has joined #tpac 23:50:52 i/What should we be doing better as organizations/Topic: What should we be doing better as organizations/ 23:50:53 s/....the/... the/ 23:51:02 s/....sorry/... sorry/ 23:51:05 s/....the/... the/ 23:51:13 s/....or/... or/ 23:51:32 s/TPC/TCP/ 23:51:42 Jun: I think if you had made other choices you might have delayed the deployment of the internet 23:52:03 ...a lot of good security solutions were generated from our experience 23:52:07 i/source of schizophrenia/Topic: A regret: Releasing early (just before RSA) 23:52:37 npdoty has joined #tpac 23:52:47 i/32-bit address space/Topic: Choosing on 32bits for TCPv4 addressing 23:52:53 RRSAgent, draft minutes 23:52:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 23:53:08 s/TCPv4/IPv4 23:53:13 ...to had to learn from deployment of the Internet and it may have slowed down deployment if we had tried to solve the security issues before the experience 23:53:16 myles has joined #tpac 23:53:35 aalfar has joined #tpac 23:53:52 Vint: I would like to challenge people who are concerned about security...is there some irreducible level of inconvenience that's needed 23:54:05 Timbl: The level of convenience has also gone up so much. 23:54:06 a12u has joined #tpac 23:54:26 timbl: In a way, security has to be in everything. Everything you code or write in a spec can be exploited. 23:54:43 ...the cool thing as you pointed out implicitly about RSA..... 23:55:02 RRSAgent, draft minutes 23:55:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 23:55:14 ... public key technology was a massive change. 23:55:22 anssik has joined #tpac 23:55:22 ... that has been very exciting 23:55:32 s/Timbl:/timbl:/ 23:55:36 jyr has joined #tpac 23:55:49 ... I've been frustrated that we've not been able to live up to the potential of RSA 23:55:55 ... people have said it didn't take off due to patents 23:56:00 CyrilV has joined #tpac 23:56:08 ... but you could also say it wasn't the technology piece, but rather the social aspect 23:56:19 ... the PGP people said "I will only trust people I've had a beer with." 23:56:26 zephyr has joined #tpac 23:56:41 ... you have a key-signing party ... and you can create a trusted infrastructure 23:56:52 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:56:58 ykato has joined #tpac 23:57:05 ... you had another social attitude which was that the world would have trust imposed upon them by world bodies 23:57:16 ... these social structures came into conflict 23:57:33 ... if you look at the security situation, one implication of moving from the Web to the social web 23:57:53 ... is that we may be able to produce social protocols that will enable us to connect to each other or friend each other 23:57:58 glazou has joined #tpac 23:58:05 ... using standard protocols in a compatible way, and once we've done that we may realize "oh, we've all got public keys" 23:58:26 Arnaud_ has joined #Tpac 23:58:27 ... so the keys could come to us through social graph, and we learn to create user interfaces that let us vouch for each others in different ways 23:58:28 nick has joined #tpac 23:58:34 jiangtao_ has joined #tpac 23:58:40 ... so we could fulfill the promise of powerful crypto 23:58:54 RRSAgent, draft minutes 23:58:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 23:58:55 plinss has joined #tpac 23:58:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html Ian 23:59:09 dsr has joined #tpac 23:59:11 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:59:12 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 23:59:16 [Jeff invites people to the mic...still no takers] 23:59:45 Jeff: Panelists have alluded to the broadening of the space of people interested in what we do 23:59:49 Mek has joined #tpac 23:59:55 ...people at the physical layer (e.g., 3GPP) 00:00:15 ...we constantly hear about internet governance topics, and nations asserting themselves 00:00:21 ...there is a meeting of the IGF in Brazil 00:00:24 i/is there some irreducible level of inconvenience that's needed/Topic: An irreducible level of inconvenience that's needed for security 00:00:40 ... what does the engineering community need to know about govt level conversations? 00:00:54 Vint: Engineers should realize that many policymakers don't understand the Internet. 00:01:13 ...part of our job is to help them understand what makes sense and doesn't in policy making 00:01:25 ...I would like to suggest that the more we use what you (engineers) do 00:01:29 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:01:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:01:35 ...the more important strong authentication and integrity will be. 00:01:43 ... there are government concerns about that. 00:01:48 Sam has joined #tpac 00:02:17 ... @@ is president of @@...he has pointed out that he is much more concerned about integrity of data than privacy...e.g., bad data on blood type is more a concern than someone knowing his blood type 00:02:33 MattPisut_ has joined #tpac 00:02:34 hjlee has joined #tpac 00:02:49 s/of @@/of Estonia/ 00:02:50 ... that's a somewhat trivial example but makes the point. The public is using the system. The system is neutral and can be used both for good and ill. 00:02:58 ...most governments are organized to protect people from harm. 00:03:02 MikeSmith has joined #tpac 00:03:07 ...you are seeing reactions from people to harms that people have perceived 00:03:15 ...some governments want to exercise control as a response 00:03:24 dsinger has joined #tpac 00:03:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Estonia, Toomas Hendrik Ilves 00:03:29 ...we are spending more and more time in various venues coping with reactions to harms that have happened to citizens 00:03:34 Yoshi has joined #tpac 00:03:44 s/@@ is/Toomas Hendrik Ilves is 00:03:55 ... our job is to try to help them create implementable responses that do not destroy the fabric of the internet that has made it so valuable 00:04:04 ats has joined #tpac 00:04:31 TimBL: We need everyone else to know how to code, so when they sit down to write laws, they know what's possible. Just as, as a citizen, even if you have not been formally taught the law, you understand what the law is capable of, what police are capable of, and other similar things 00:05:00 i|trivial example|-> https://www.president.ee/en/official-duties/speeches/10270-president-toomas-hendrik-ilvess-opening-speech-at-cycon-in-tallinn-on-june-4-2014/ President Toomas Hendrik Ilves's opening speech at CyCon in Tallinn on June 4, 2014 00:05:08 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:05:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:05:22 timbl: E.g., response to spam can be informed by knowledge of how to code among policy makers 00:05:38 timbl: We end up with a system that is a mix of law and code (cf. Larry Lessig) 00:06:15 i|we use what you|Topic: Authentication as (possibly) more important than Confidentiality 00:06:17 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:06:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:06:28 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:06:30 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:06:30 ... when you create something like Napster, it would have been interesting to have a forum where there could have been discussion about both the technical ideas and the social impact 00:06:36 igarashi has joined #tpac 00:07:11 timble: DMCA tends to demonize hackers....risks in some cases of people reporting bugs and going to jail 00:07:17 s|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Estonia,|-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Estonia 00:07:21 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:07:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:07:25 katsu has joined #tpac 00:07:41 ...so I think it's important to have both security angle and policy awareness 00:07:47 s/timble:/timbl: 00:07:51 ...e.g., what is the impact of this protocol on police powers? 00:07:53 s/TimBL:/timbl:/ 00:08:17 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:08:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:08:37 ... Just as we'd like people in parliament to write laws that make more sense, we also ourselves need to be prepared to take laws into account in creating standards. 00:08:43 SAM has joined #TPAC 00:08:54 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:08:57 hfujisaw_ has joined #tpac 00:08:59 Jun: A point on policy....the Internet and the Web are "one space". 00:09:10 Bert1 has joined #tpac 00:09:46 ... engineering perspective is single global space, but there are many boundary / jurisdiction questions 00:09:56 Manu Sporny: Question about getting a better trust layer in the Web. 00:10:24 ... we have work going on in different groups (payments, credentials) 00:10:51 ... the W3C for the past 10 years have put effort into publishing data, but not a lot of effort into ensuring the validity of the data. 00:11:00 ... for several years there have been efforts to sign data 00:11:20 ... when we bring ideas to the Membership we are met with responses such as "we know that's important to solve, but we don't have the expertise to address it" 00:11:37 ... there are crypto people at W3C and IETF, but many organizations say "we don't have a expertise" and so the work doesn't get started 00:11:55 ... there are proposals on the table to address some of these security issues, but we've had difficulty advancing proposals. 00:11:57 ama has joined #TPAC 00:12:05 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:12:07 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:12:29 ... if we don't have these basic specifications in place, working groups will find themselves in a position of assuming that the data is not trustworthy, instead of just verifying a signature 00:12:30 present+ Jeff_Jaffe, Tim_Berners-Lee, Vint_Cerf, Jun_Murai 00:12:36 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:12:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:12:38 ...how should we make progress? 00:12:57 s/Manu Sporny:/Manu_Sporny:/ 00:13:00 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:13:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:13:07 minami_ has joined #tpac 00:13:23 Jun: That's an important topic. As I mentioned, everyone is using the Web and data. Many services would like to share data with big needs to trust. 00:13:36 ... example, if train is delayed 2 minutes people will complain 00:13:42 ... quality of service creates trust 00:13:50 ... from top to bottom there are strong demands for reliability 00:14:05 masato_ has joined #tpac 00:14:13 ... you asked about process... now we have a lot of service designers on top of the Internet who are waiting for your work to be complete due to their need for trusted services 00:14:18 YusukeNakaya_ has joined #tpac 00:14:47 Vint: I'm glad you've brought this up. I think that W3C and IETF are enablers. Would it be interesting to have a conversation among the W3C/IETF leadership 00:15:21 ... to discuss this question "What is missing from the enabling protocol space to make strong authentication, high integrity, and other trust building mechanisms? What's missing from our palette that needs to be addressed?" (Without decisions about where the work would happen.) 00:15:39 ...what would make a big difference to the many people who are concerned about trust and integrity? I would welcome that discussion. 00:15:47 Jeff: Great idea...and we can assign action items at TPAC! 00:16:07 ...Wendy Seltzer is the right person as IETF liaison and head of T&S 00:16:15 YusukeNakayaJP has joined #tpac 00:16:20 sakkuru has joined #tpac 00:16:41 ACTION: Wendy Seltzer to help organize a high-level discussion on what's missing in the technology and would improve the platform as an enabler? 00:16:47 giuseppe has joined #tpac 00:16:54 Vint: Can we make a list of missing properties that we need to enable solutions to arise? 00:16:54 tantek has joined #tpac 00:17:06 Vint: I think it would be worth your time to think about how to achieve that. 00:17:27 kris has joined #tpac 00:18:16 rigo has joined #tpac 00:18:18 Timbl: You have in you head a stack of technologies that would be great enablers. You put together a deck that shows what you can do with these technologies. You can put together a deck and alienate 98% of the audience. Maybe getting momentum comes somewhere in the middle. 00:18:32 ...avoid the trap of thinking there is one social structure. 00:18:55 ...you need to examine how things apply in different social settings 00:19:02 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:19:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:19:25 fuji has joined #tpac 00:19:32 ...I agree it's a hard problem to speak to one audience and not alienate other communities...it's a known hard problem. 00:19:37 Vint: Distinguish vision from hallucination 00:20:04 Jeff: We've been talking a lot about history and future in broad strokes 00:20:08 ...people will be collecting themselves into breakout groups 00:20:12 i/Question about getting/topic: Question about Better Trust layer in the web 00:20:22 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:20:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:20:34 Jeff: Are there things we should be doing in breakouts we've not already thought about? 00:20:41 astearns has joined #tpac 00:20:48 Vint: I'm not sure what the sessions are. I would not want to sound arrogant. :) 00:21:03 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas TPAC 2015 breakout sessions ideas 00:21:05 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:21:07 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:21:09 songfeng has joined #tpac 00:21:09 ...but one topic that might not fall within your purview is the use of broadcast media as broadcast media (as opposed to turning broadcast into point to point channel). 00:21:30 ...if we could do broadcast (not multicast) to build applications that take advantage of single transmission deliverable to multiple recipients 00:21:36 ...what protocols would you create 00:21:52 ...the hallucination I have is that satellites are raining packets down on millions of receivers. 00:22:05 ...if we could do broadcast, what would we need in terms of protocols? 00:22:40 Jun: Actually, Vint, there is a Web and TV group that has been looking into that issue...not as a broadcasting protocol... 00:22:48 kazho has joined #tpac 00:22:54 ... we have a demo here at the conference center 00:23:01 SAMLIU has joined #TPAC 00:23:05 ... there is also work that's started in Europe. 00:23:35 Vint: Suppose we could make it possible to transmit data to people who are in certain geographic locations (e.g., for emergency services) 00:23:40 ...you don't want everyone to have to receive that 00:23:56 ...but if we could provide that in the protocol space, what would we do with it? What would we need to build? 00:24:12 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:24:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:24:39 Jun: There are strong levels of trust necessary for some sort of interactions (e.g., doctor)... 00:24:55 ...every single segment of industry and agriculture has a number of issues 00:25:08 ...starting from new areas and analyzing what's missing will be necessary. 00:25:15 i|future in broad strokes|Topic: Leading to Breakout Sessions 00:25:18 Jun: I was impressed with the LG presentation 00:25:20 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:25:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html timeless 00:25:27 ...shapes other than rectangles 00:25:34 ...for display 00:25:56 ...I was speaking with a student at my university. She wants to be able to display whatever she wants to design. 00:26:12 ...what would be needed to display things in other shapes? 3 dimensions? 00:26:13 JohnJansen has joined #tpac 00:26:35 Timbl: There's been a lot of work put into enterprise data integration 00:26:40 annbass has joined #tpac 00:26:44 ...typically without that a large company would not be able to function 00:27:00 ...there's a push in some quarters that I should be able to get data that is about me. 00:27:08 wonsuk has joined #tpac 00:27:17 hfujisawa has joined #tpac 00:27:21 ...I should be able to take all the data that various devices know about me (e.g., my phone in my pocket knowing that I'm sitting on stage) 00:27:21 wonsuk_ has joined #tpac 00:27:34 ...all that data is relevant to my lifestyle and could be leveraged to make better choices. 00:27:43 ...I think it would be nifty to enable that. 00:28:03 dezell has joined #tpac 00:28:13 Vint: There is an interesting challenge. Suppose we said "Everyone should have a right to have access to all the information you have about me." Tough question - how do you ensure that the requestor is the person the information should be delivered to? 00:28:20 liam has joined #tpac 00:28:31 ...which takes us back to the need for strong authentication without losing the ability to retain anonymity at will? 00:28:33 RRSAgent, draft minutes 00:28:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html karl 00:28:37 Timbl brings up how he wants to own his data, from his phone etc. 00:28:53 Jeff: Thank you to the panelists, join me in thanking them! 00:28:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/27-tpac-minutes.html Ian 00:29:20 Topic: Web Platform Incubator Community Group 00:30:12