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15:54:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:54:04 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:54:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:54:05 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015
15:54:22 <janina> agenda?
15:54:28 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:54:28 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:54:33 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:54:33 <janina> agenda: this
15:54:33 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:54:33 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:54:34 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:54:36 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:54:38 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Note Status Update
15:54:41 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Alt Edits -- https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
15:54:43 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:54:46 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Update [See Below]
15:54:48 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:54:51 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; WG & TF Reorganizations
15:54:53 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:54:56 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:54:59 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:55:54 <janina>  zakim, next item
15:55:54 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
15:56:00 <janina> q?
15:56:11 <janina> ack t
15:56:16 <janina> zakim, next item
15:56:16 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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16:08:27 <JF> Present+ JF
16:08:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:08:39 <fesch> present+ fesch
16:09:11 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:09:11 <Zakim> Present: Janina, Tzviya_Siegman, Joanmarie_Diggs, fesch, JF, Katie, haritos-Shea, MichaelC, Rich, JohnF, Gottfried, JamesN, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:09:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, richardschwerdtfeger, fesch, RRSAgent, joanie, asurkov, MichaelC, janina, Zakim, trackbot
16:11:38 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:11:49 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:11:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:12:17 <fesch> Zakim, take up item 1
16:12:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:13:10 <fesch> jf: deque has a dozen people that want to help on WAI
16:13:54 <fesch> jf: waiting on chartering to finish, can talk about it at TPAC with Judy
16:14:28 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:14:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:14:41 <fesch> js: only did MAUR
16:15:16 <fesch> mc: JS has a couple of actions... Katie not here, James N pinged last week...
16:15:20 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:15:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, fesch
16:15:27 <fesch> zakim, close item
16:15:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', fesch
16:15:42 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:15:42 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:15:43 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:15:43 <Zakim> 3. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:15:48 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:15:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:16:04 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/encoding/ Encoding
16:16:47 <fesch> mc: doc on encoding on web pages, probably not accessibility related
16:18:12 <fesch> js: need better abstracts on docs... W3C has recent training on this, others have problem with lack of contextualize
16:18:23 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/findtext/ FindText API
16:19:02 <fesch> mc: finding text is of interest to us, not sure whether the API is....
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16:20:13 <fesch> mc: if we review, need someone that knows the API of AT real well
16:20:28 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:21:00 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/COWL/ Confinement with Origin Web Labels
16:22:16 <fesch> mc: might need an AT expert to review this
16:22:49 <fesch> js: second time we mentioned we need an AT API expert
16:22:59 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/ Portable Web Publications for the Open Web Platform
16:23:20 <fesch> mc: a dPUB publication
16:24:31 <fesch> mc: I read an early version of this, steer toward a dPUB model ...
16:24:59 <fesch> js: dPUB always had an interest in having all the pieces offline
16:25:22 <fesch> rs: I don't think it is a good idea to have a second dPUB format
16:26:10 <fesch> shane: this will dovetail with other work...
16:26:32 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/generic-sensor/ Generic Sensor API
16:27:42 <fesch> mc: I don't know if we care about this abstract thing, but would care about concrete implementations...
16:27:56 <fesch> mc: may need an AT expert...
16:28:15 <fesch> shane: about mobile sensors...
16:29:27 <fesch> rs:  you have a similar issue with INDY UI group, where there may be a divergence between some folks wanting to use media queries vs APIs
16:29:45 <fesch> mc: that would be a good question
16:30:08 <fesch> js: Might be a good topic for Wednesday breakouts
16:30:34 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas TP session ideas
16:30:37 <fesch> js: anyone can propose a breakout, need a couple of people to talk about it
16:30:57 <fesch> mc: if someone can add this idea to the wiki
16:31:21 <fesch> js: are you going to add it to the wiki, Rich?
16:31:27 <fesch> rs: yes
16:32:02 <janina> regrets: Gottfried
16:32:07 <fesch> shane: Apache Cardova project, Adobe phone dap project, angular project
16:33:09 <fesch> rs: one thing that happened with indie UI was they made APIs and apple shut it down.... now these efforts are API based
16:33:39 <fesch> rs: may attend the discussion
16:33:39 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/ Encrypted Media Extensions
16:34:16 <fesch> mc: may want to track it, it often breaks accessibility
16:34:26 <fesch> js: what the spec says it?
16:34:55 <fesch> mc: ... decryption of such tracks ...
16:35:14 <fesch> mc: we need to track this, because the often break accessibility
16:35:58 <fesch> jf: two key points - if textual content not included in band, the encryption on the wrapper not the content.
16:36:20 <fesch> jf: out of band content - recommendation to not encrypt out of band content
16:36:49 <fesch> jf: there is an edge case that could happen, but is really really far out there...
16:37:20 <fesch> mc: what happens when the transcription is handled by a third party?
16:37:51 <fesch> jf" ping a black box - once the content has been encrypted then everything is available...
16:38:34 <fesch> jf: once it is decrypted, everything is available,
16:38:45 <fesch> mc: so you could pirate it...
16:39:02 <fesch> jf: use case is streaming media, to record the stream...
16:39:44 <fesch> mc: so you don't think there are accessibility concerns?
16:39:49 <fesch> jf: no
16:40:16 <fesch> js: will be at TPAC...
16:41:36 <fesch> js: we should look at it again, to make sure it is clear...
16:41:41 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:41:41 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:41:52 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/ldpnext/ LDP Next Community Group
16:42:45 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/xapivocabulary/ Experience API (xAPI) Vocabulary & Semantic Interoperability Community Group
16:42:47 <fesch> js: propose we don't have an accessibility concern
16:43:07 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/extended-web/ The Extended Web Community Group
16:43:30 <fesch> rs: percentage wise how many groups do anything
16:43:40 <JF> Q+
16:43:50 <fesch> mc: about half have done something, I think about 5 have done a report
16:44:46 <janina> ack jf
16:46:01 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:46:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "MAUR Note Status Update" taken up [from janina]
16:47:35 <fesch> js: shane you are right, and we may need to publish another round,  I found a couple of typos, but the grammatical structures of captions redone
16:47:48 <fesch> js: OK with or without edits
16:48:27 <fesch> js: maybe I should give you another version without controversial captions
16:48:32 <fesch> shane: OK
16:48:41 <fesch> jf: will look at it too
16:49:06 <fesch> js: we aren't going to publish this week
16:49:29 <fesch> shane: master and dated version are current
16:49:38 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:49:38 <Zakim> agendum 6. "HTML 5.1 Alt Edits -- https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/" taken up [from janina]
16:49:49 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:49:49 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, fesch
16:49:56 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:49:56 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:49:57 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:49:57 <Zakim> 7. Rechartering Progress [from See Below via janina]
16:50:02 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:50:02 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:51:01 <fesch> js: had a discussion on new rearrangements....
16:51:23 <fesch> mc: new wrinkle - what happens to publications. -- no answer to that
16:51:58 <fesch> mc: rec track pubs may need new calls for exclursions --- could be months
16:52:26 <fesch> mc: a bit of uncertainty on pubs, hard to get answers - prep for TPAC
16:53:01 <fesch> mc: I assume will be operating jointly as PF/ARIA/APA  lots of details on lists...
16:54:37 <fesch> rs: would rather work through transition tomorrow....
16:55:10 <fesch> mc: issue what lists are writable...
16:56:11 <fesch> jf: lots of discussion in a whole bunch of different places... but having conversations all over the place isn't good - git, slack...
16:56:32 <fesch> jf: messages should be archival using tool of choice...
16:57:13 <fesch> mc: I know of a tool... but I have talked about it yet
16:57:17 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/Mail/flatten/ Mail Flattener
16:57:35 <fesch> js: the group needs to be in sync.
16:58:10 <fesch> rs: I would rather have discussions tomorrow, with travel restrictions there won't be lots of folks at TPAC'
16:58:21 <fesch> mc: we will sort thing out after TPAC
16:59:52 <fesch> js: at TPAC Monday Tuesday  ARIA  Thursday Friday APA
17:00:04 <fesch> js: in different rooms
17:01:17 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-pf-minutes.html fesch
17:01:41 <fesch> js: I propose the next meeting for November 11
17:02:46 <fesch> rs: I will mention that we will take two weeks off  (TPAC and week following)
17:03:35 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-pf-minutes.html fesch
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