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14:57:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:57:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:57:13 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:57:13 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2015
14:57:42 <janina> agenda?
14:57:48 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:57:48 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:59:04 <paulc> present+ paulc
15:00:07 <janina> /www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:00:07 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
15:00:07 <janina> agenda+ Upcoming telecon schedule -- Next call?
15:00:07 <janina> agenda+ Welcome, Web Platforms!
15:00:08 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Update - Janina
15:00:09 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Janina, Shane, Liam
15:00:12 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning -- Janina, Et Al
15:00:14 <janina> agenda+ Web Payments Followup -- Janina
15:00:17 <janina> agenda+ Media Controller
15:00:19 <janina> agenda+ IMEs & ContentEditable -- Chaals
15:00:22 <janina> agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
15:00:24 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
15:00:27 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
15:00:29 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:00:32 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:00:34 <janina> ~
15:00:42 <janina> zakim, next item
15:00:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda Edits & Additions" taken up [from janina]
15:01:21 <LJWatson> present+ LJWatson
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15:03:58 <JF> Present+ JF
15:04:24 <chaals> Present+ chaals
15:04:31 <janina> present+ Janina
15:04:33 <chaals> agenda?
15:04:37 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
15:04:46 <chaals> zakim, close item 14
15:04:46 <Zakim> agendum 14, be done, closed
15:04:47 <Zakim> I see 13 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:47 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Edits & Additions [from janina]
15:05:04 <chaals> zakim, close item 10
15:05:04 <Zakim> agendum 10, Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al, closed
15:05:06 <Zakim> I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:06 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Edits & Additions [from janina]
15:05:17 <chaals> zakim, close item 11
15:05:17 <Zakim> agendum 11, Bug Triage -- Leonie, closed
15:05:18 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:18 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Edits & Additions [from janina]
15:05:22 <chaals> agenda?
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15:06:13 <chaals> zakim, close item 1
15:06:13 <Zakim> agendum 1, Agenda Edits & Additions, closed
15:06:14 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:14 <Zakim> 2. Upcoming telecon schedule -- Next call? [from janina]
15:06:23 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
15:06:53 <chaals> zakim, take up item 2
15:06:53 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Upcoming telecon schedule -- Next call?" taken up [from janina]
15:07:08 <LJWatson> JS: Do we meet next week? I can't be here.
15:07:29 <LJWatson> CMN: Anyone else who won't be available next week?
15:07:38 <LJWatson> PaulC: Me.
15:07:58 <LJWatson> CMN: Suggest we hold the call.
15:08:07 <LJWatson> CMN: OK?
15:08:11 <LJWatson> JF: On fence.
15:08:14 <LJWatson> WFM
15:08:16 <Judy> present: Judy
15:08:29 <LJWatson> CMN: We'll hold the call. There won't be a call the week of TPAC.
15:08:41 <LJWatson> ... Propose a call on 5th Nov.
15:08:57 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:08:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:08:59 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:59 <Zakim> 3. Welcome, Web Platforms! [from janina]
15:09:01 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:09:05 <chaals> zakim, take up item 3
15:09:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Welcome, Web Platforms!" taken up [from janina]
15:09:14 <plh> present+ plh
15:09:15 <LJWatson> CMN: Web Platform WG now exists.
15:09:58 <LJWatson> ... People are asserting that things happening in accessibility, specifically some bits of ARIA, are stepping on WP work.
15:10:42 <JF> Q+
15:10:50 <chaals> ack jf
15:10:59 <LJWatson> ... Should ARIA and WP WGs resolve, or should this TF step in?
15:11:18 <LJWatson> JF: I attended the ARIA dPub call earlier today. dPub is open to having tthe discussion.
15:11:30 <LJWatson> ... Suggest WP gets involved, but as a collaboration ot a turf war.
15:11:38 <paulc> Would it be appropriate to think about re-drafting the TF Terms of Reference since the HTML WG is going away?
15:11:46 <LJWatson> CMN: It isn't a turf war, it's just getting a sense of how/where we work on things.
15:12:03 <LJWatson> JF: One thing that came out of the call was that dPub needs to document requirements better.
15:12:42 <paulc> Are there minutes or IRC log from the referenced call?
15:12:53 <LJWatson> JS: The other input, perhaps not as well defined, is from the COGA TF.
15:13:56 <LJWatson> ... The one concern is what do to with SVG. We learnt about xlink type.
15:14:11 <LJWatson> s/what do to/what to do/
15:14:38 <LJWatson> ... One remaining concern is that rel would not be applicable to a <div role="link">.
15:14:55 <LJWatson> CMN: You can't do much with <div role="link"> stuff anyeay.
15:15:03 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force: "The HTML Accessibility TF is a joint task force of the HTML Working Group (HTML WG) and the Protocols and Formats Working Group (PFWG). It operates under both the HTML WG charter and the PFWG charter. " needs to be updated when the HTML WG goes away
15:15:17 <LJWatson> ... Paul asked the important question. Should we be looking at the terms of reference for how WP works?
15:15:30 <LJWatson> ... Think answer is yes.
15:15:38 <JF> DPUB minutes from todays call: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-dpub-aria-minutes.html
15:15:47 <paulc> q+
15:15:59 <chaals> ack pau
15:16:05 <LJWatson> ... Suggest we wait until we're close to the deadline and see what we've learned.
15:16:30 <LJWatson> PC: HTML is only chartered until 31st Oct, but PLH and I think it will be extended again - not least because DOM4 deadline is after that.
15:16:39 <LJWatson> ... THink your strategy is a good one.
15:16:49 <LJWatson> s/Tink/Think/
15:17:08 <LJWatson> ... Facilitators/co-chairs should put it on the agenda for the WP meeting.
15:17:14 <LJWatson> CMN: Will take an action to do that.
15:17:27 <LJWatson> ... Plan is to have a meeting on Friday afternoon at TPAC with APA.
15:17:36 <LJWatson> ... WP would also like time to talk about HTML.
15:17:43 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:17:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:17:48 <paulc> q+
15:17:53 <chaals> ack p
15:18:18 <LJWatson> PC: Many people are exiting early on Friday.
15:18:31 <LJWatson> ... Scheduling something on Friday is risky.
15:18:35 <LJWatson> CMN: We know.
15:19:09 <LJWatson> PC: I've informed observers and HTML members that the only item under discussion on Thu/Fri, is EME and MSE.
15:19:20 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:19:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:20:16 <paulc> See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Oct/0036.html for information on the Thu-Fri TPAC agenda for the HTML WG F2F ie just the Media TF is meeting
15:20:24 <LJWatson> PLH: The discussion can't happen on Mon/Tue?
15:20:34 <LJWatson> CMN: We could, but we need to see what happens.
15:21:06 <paulc> I note there are LOTS of open slots in the Web Platform agenda for Mon-Tue https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/October2015Meeting
15:21:11 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:21:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:21:13 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:21:13 <Zakim> 4. MAUR Update - Janina [from janina]
15:21:18 <chaals> zakim, take up item 4
15:21:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "MAUR Update - Janina" taken up [from janina]
15:21:30 <LJWatson> JS: CFC expires tonight at 12am Eastern.
15:22:10 <LJWatson> ... Attempts to credit people who contributed have gone awry, but those are minor things and PF is happy with that.
15:22:32 <chaals> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Oct/0027.html call for consensus on MAUR
15:22:55 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:22:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:22:56 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:56 <Zakim> 5. Alt Doc Update -- Janina, Shane, Liam [from janina]
15:23:15 <chaals> zakim, take up item 5
15:23:15 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Alt Doc Update -- Janina, Shane, Liam" taken up [from janina]
15:23:32 <LJWatson> JS: I still haven't asked EO and WCAG to look at this.
15:23:46 <LJWatson> CMN: Liam says people have only just begun to look at this.
15:23:47 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:23:47 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:23:48 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:23:48 <Zakim> 6. TPAC Planning -- Janina, Et Al [from janina]
15:24:09 <LJWatson> CMN: Nothing to add.
15:24:21 <LJWatson> JS: We could start at 3.30pm JST on Friday instead of 4pm if helpful?
15:24:26 <LJWatson> PLH: Makes sense.
15:24:43 <LJWatson> s/PLH: Makes sense./PLH: Might have a conflict/
15:24:49 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:24:49 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:24:50 <LJWatson> CMN: Leave it at 4pm.
15:24:55 <chaals> zakim, close item 6
15:24:55 <Zakim> agendum 6, TPAC Planning -- Janina, Et Al, closed
15:24:56 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:24:56 <Zakim> 7. Web Payments Followup -- Janina [from janina]
15:25:09 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:25:10 <chaals> zakim, close item 7
15:25:10 <Zakim> agendum 7, Web Payments Followup -- Janina, closed
15:25:11 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:11 <Zakim> 8. Media Controller [from janina]
15:25:13 <LJWatson> JS: Nothing to report.
15:25:19 <chaals> zakim, take up item 8
15:25:19 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Media Controller" taken up [from janina]
15:26:27 <LJWatson> CMN: Firefox doesn't see a need for it. They've written a proof of concept that makes it clear it's possible to synchronise videos using JS.
15:26:37 <LJWatson> ... Chrome agree that MC isn't needed either.
15:26:47 <LJWatson> ... So my sense is that we don't have an issue.
15:27:26 <LJWatson> ... For 12 months it's only been in Safari, and no-one has mentioned it.
15:27:34 <paulc> present+ Alex
15:27:49 <LJWatson> JS: We have lots of use cases. If we can support them trivially, maybe we don't have an issue...
15:27:57 <LJWatson> CMN: They're all about synchronizing, right?
15:28:03 <plh> q+
15:28:10 <LJWatson> JS: Yes, although one is for extended audio description which requires pauses.
15:28:38 <LJWatson> CMN: The demo from Mozilla allows for that.
15:28:51 <LJWatson> PLH: Did anyone ask Apple for their position?
15:29:01 <LJWatson> CMN: Without being asked, they've said that MC shouldn't disappear.
15:29:25 <LJWatson> ... Chrome has decided to unship it, so Safari is the only browser with it left. What happens when there is only one implementation left?
15:29:34 <LJWatson> ... Do we mark the feature as obsolete in the spec?
15:29:53 <LJWatson> ... So WP will need to work out what to do with it in the HTML spec.
15:30:01 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to forward Roc's demo and explain why he thinks the accesssibility issue of dropping mediaController is moot
15:30:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Forward roc's demo and explain why he thinks the accesssibility issue of dropping mediacontroller is moot [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-10-22].
15:30:03 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:30:09 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:30:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, chaals
15:30:12 <chaals> q?
15:30:17 <chaals> ack plh
15:30:18 <plh> q-
15:30:27 <chaals> zakim, close this item.
15:30:27 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
15:30:28 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:30:28 <Zakim> 9. IMEs & ContentEditable -- Chaals [from janina]
15:30:47 <LJWatson> CMN: Haven't completed my action on this.
15:30:54 <LJWatson> ... Will do after this call.
15:31:13 <LJWatson> ... Situation has become more complicated. The editing group is having issues with what to do with it.
15:31:25 <LJWatson> ... People want to talk with us about IMEs at TPAC.
15:31:36 <LJWatson> JS: We hoped that would be the case.
15:31:52 <LJWatson> CMN: Propose we drop this, assuming I complete my action.
15:32:01 <LJWatson> ... See what happens at TPAC.
15:32:03 <chaals> agenda?
15:32:20 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:32:20 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:32:26 <chaals> zakim, close item 9
15:32:26 <Zakim> agendum 9, IMEs & ContentEditable -- Chaals, closed
15:32:27 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:32:27 <Zakim> 12. TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track [from janina]
15:33:38 <LJWatson> LW: Steve's action is obosolete now, so can be closed.
15:33:42 <LJWatson> CMN: Will do that.
15:33:59 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:33:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:34:08 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
15:34:08 <Zakim> Present: Judy, plh, Alex
15:34:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, JF, RRSAgent, paulc, LJWatson, Joshue, ShaneM, plh, chaals, IanPouncey, sivoais, janina, Zakim, liam, joanie, trackbot
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15:34:23 <plh> Present+ John
15:34:25 <plh> Present+ Charles
15:34:28 <plh> Present+ Cynthia
15:34:31 <plh> Present+ Janina
15:34:37 <plh> Present+ Leonie
15:34:39 <joanie> Present+ Joanmarie
15:34:46 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:34:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html plh
15:35:04 <plh> Chair: Charles
15:35:10 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:35:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/15-html-a11y-minutes.html plh
15:35:41 <LJWatson> @PLH are you pushing out the minutes?
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15:38:05 <plh> LJWatson, I could if you'd like
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