15:51:46 RRSAgent has joined #pf 15:51:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-irc 15:51:48 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:51:48 Zakim has joined #pf 15:51:50 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 15:51:50 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:51:51 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 15:51:51 Date: 07 October 2015 15:52:00 agenda? 15:53:02 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 15:53:02 agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open 15:53:02 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 15:53:02 agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ 15:53:03 agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below] 15:53:04 agenda+ TPAC Update [See Below] 15:53:07 agenda+ HTML 5.1 Alt Edits -- https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/ 15:53:09 agenda+ ARIA.Next Items 15:53:12 agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; WG & TF Reorganizations 15:53:14 agenda+ Other Business 15:53:17 agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273 15:53:20 agenda+ be done 15:59:43 zakim, next item 15:59:46 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:02:39 JF has joined #PF 16:03:30 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf 16:03:36 Ryladog_ has joined #pf 16:03:39 Present+ JF 16:05:16 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 16:05:38 present+ janina 16:06:19 present+ ShaneM 16:06:45 scribenick: ShaneM 16:06:55 zakim, next item 16:06:55 agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 16:08:44 maryjom has joined #pf 16:09:16 action-1669 due weeks 16:09:16 Set action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ due date to 2015-09-16. 16:09:38 zakim, next item 16:09:38 agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina] 16:10:29 jamesn has joined #pf 16:10:32 zakim, close item 3 16:10:32 agendum 3, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, closed 16:10:34 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:10:34 4. Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ [from janina] 16:10:45 zakim, take up item 4 16:10:45 agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina] 16:11:20 rrsagent, make minutes 16:11:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-minutes.html jamesn 16:11:47 -> https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/ Web Platform Incubator Community Group 16:11:48 present+ JamesNurthen 16:12:34 -> https://www.w3.org/community/hardware-pixels/ The Hardware Pixel Community Group 16:13:37 putting in the dead groups list 16:14:26 JF: Do we have any way of noticing of something we think is dead is alive again? 16:14:31 MichaelC: not really 16:14:46 ... maybe we should have a process of checking dead groups periodically. 16:14:56 janina: once a year seems often enough. 16:15:05 JF: every six months seems better 16:15:17 janina: sure but we can't track our usual list for updates every six months. 16:15:31 present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:16:02 JamesN: It isn't something we need to do in the group. Some individual could check it. 16:16:18 MichaelC: Yeah, and that's what staff contacts are for. It would only take me like an hour. 16:16:51 ... janina and michael will make sure this happens each six months. 16:17:04 -> https://www.w3.org/community/architypes/ Schema Architypes Community Group 16:17:06 MichaelC: note that there is no reason for the chair and staff contact to do this. anyone can volunteer. 16:18:46 ShaneM: it might be related to the open group ArchiMate activity. I don't think it is related to us. 16:18:54 JF: it looks like metadata 16:19:24 MichaelC: a11y of archives is important. not clear if this would get high enough up. does the schema have that information. 16:19:49 janina: there is a difference between extending current tagging in schema.org and finding other ways of doing things. 16:20:09 MichaelC: I don't know enough about what schema.org is doing 16:20:31 JF: libraries and dublin core are in this group. some us based libraries and universities. 16:20:54 janina: maybe we could ask Jon Gunderson about this. Also, is there anything that should be related to the congnitive task force. 16:21:15 MichaelC: I don't know - if you are tagging medieval documents for cognitive, that could get interesting. 16:21:27 MichaelC: I think we should take this as might need examination later. 16:21:32 general agreement. 16:21:58 Topic: MAUR 16:24:50 janina: there are a couple of comments. 16:24:55 ShaneM: checklist is done 16:25:12 janina: there were errors in the checklist. 16:25:16 ShaneM: there were? I didn't see them 16:25:25 janina: I will forward to list. 16:26:28 ShaneM: will review and comment on list 16:26:33 zakim, next item 16:26:33 agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below] 16:26:40 scribe: JF 16:27:49 MC: Progress is ongoing. Extension to PFWG so that we can continue - provides overlap 16:28:02 s/Extension to PFWG so that we can continue - provides overlap/ 16:28:26 zakim, make minutes 16:28:26 I don't understand 'make minutes', ShaneM 16:28:41 rssagent, make minutes 16:29:53 zakim, nest item 16:29:53 I don't understand 'nest item', JF 16:30:00 zakim, next item 16:30:00 agendum 6. "TPAC Update" taken up [from See Below] 16:30:40 JS: hope to have draft calendar ready this week to get posted on wiki 16:30:56 JS: wanted to spend time defining our CSS concerns - detailed 16:31:03 q+ to talk about Web Payments and the PAUR 16:31:05 requested CSS WG to meet on the Friday 16:31:47 JS: will meet with dPub group as well - looking to take som e time Thursday afternoon 16:32:03 have also bee requested to meet with Web Payments - time TBD 16:32:09 s/bee/been 16:32:32 will discuss issues with Web Payments folks however 16:33:04 KHS: trying to arrange a time that works better (more convenient) to us 16:33:29 SM: they have a complicated agenda, everyone wants to talk to them 16:33:41 SM: want to talk to them about PAUR 16:33:58 however, they want to talk about the APIS - what to expose to make things better for AT 16:35:06 also, what do we need in the spec - i.e. human readable language, not just the API 16:35:27 JS: i.e. "what this does", "what is this for" 16:35:47 KHS: the push-back is that these are APIs, there is no interface to interact with 16:36:15 we need to find a new way to talk about the requirements we need/want them to add, so that the APIs can deliver on XYZ 16:36:33 what do we need/want to have added to the API specs 16:36:49 JS: what we need/want isn't that hard to name, but the other WGs are struggling what that is 16:37:27 JS: we need sentencase, in plain english, what a piece of code is doing - the purpose 16:37:46 often all we get is code examples, but we have no idea what the code is intended to do 16:38:07 KHS: agree, but this may not be what Web Payments is doing 16:38:15 JS: yes, but they are talking about an API 16:38:40 KHS: what they are attempting to do... there is no code in any of their documents at this time 16:38:58 SM: we're not talking about implementation yet 16:39:26 KHS: right, and we want the documentation to explain what is going on - more guidance on that 16:39:47 perhaps a smaller, off-line conversation, perhaps with the chairs. Happy to facilitate that 16:40:22 JS: what Shane suggested is what Ian has also proposed. Focus on PAUR will be important 16:41:18 JS: I hope this effort will also spur the ARIA WG to look at some of what came over from IndieUI 16:41:53 zakim, next item 16:41:53 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, JF 16:41:59 q? 16:42:00 q? 16:42:04 ack sh 16:42:04 ShaneM, you wanted to talk about Web Payments and the PAUR 16:42:06 ack shane 16:42:14 zakim, next item 16:42:14 agendum 7. "HTML 5.1 Alt Edits -- https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/" taken up [from janina] 16:42:40 JS: we have never been fully happy with HTML 5.0 spec guidance on @alt 16:42:51 JS: for example, avoids @longdesc, etc. 16:43:24 there is a new draft, something a lot shorter, and many of the examples have been moved to a landing page which is named (referenced?) in the HTML spec 16:43:30 we need wider reviews 16:43:45 Shane and Liam have worked on the re-drafted text 16:43:59 will ask WCAG and EO WGs to also review the text 16:44:44 not sure how we move forward, and when. Next week? at TPAC? Other? 16:44:54 JN: is there a diff on the previous version 16:45:09 SM: there is not - could likely produce one, but the differences are fairly different 16:45:18 JN: are there major sections that are different? 16:45:38 SM: lots removed, and lots of editorial (language) changes 16:45:59 ACTION: Shane_m to produce a diff of the two @alt text items 16:45:59 Error finding 'Shane_m'. You can review and register nicknames at . 16:46:22 ACTION: ShaneM to produce a diff of the two @alt text items 16:46:22 Created ACTION-1729 - Produce a diff of the two @alt text items [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-10-14]. 16:47:02 zakim, next item 16:47:02 agendum 8. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina] 16:47:36 JS: Rich is not here. Not aware of anything major, looking to move some heartbeats soon 16:47:53 JS: review of balance of agenda, seems nothing more to review today 16:48:20 JS: waiting on multiple charter renewals so taht we can continue the conversations going 16:49:08 JS: will discuss the role of the APA at TPAC on how we move forward. More TF's, or a return to simple reviews only 16:49:23 discussion is on-go9ing. Pros and Cons for both approaches 16:49:32 JS: any other business? 16:49:46 JS: convene early 16:50:11 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:53:05 rrsagent, create minutes 16:53:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-minutes.html JF 16:53:33 rrsagent, publish minutes 16:53:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-minutes.html JF 16:53:54 zakim, please part 16:53:54 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JF, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, ShaneM, JamesNurthen, Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:53:54 Zakim has left #pf 16:54:09 rrsagent, please part 16:54:09 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-actions.rdf : 16:54:09 ACTION: Shane_m to produce a diff of the two @alt text items [1] 16:54:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-irc#T16-45-59 16:54:09 ACTION: ShaneM to produce a diff of the two @alt text items [2] 16:54:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-pf-irc#T16-46-22