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12:31:26 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:31:27 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015
12:33:46 <Steven_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0005
12:33:56 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0005
12:34:02 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
12:34:12 <Steven_> Regrets: Nick
12:34:20 <Steven_> (and Mark)
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13:04:35 <Steven_> Present: Philip, Steven, Alain, Erik
13:05:00 <Steven_> Topic: XForms day 5th Nov
13:05:00 <Steven_> [No link]
13:05:26 <Steven_> Steven: We've got 4 speakers, 2 of them are implementors, so it looks good
13:05:40 <Steven_> Topic: public-xformsusers
13:05:40 <Steven_> Mark will join us on the 21st.
13:05:59 <Steven_> Topic: JSON-to-XML and CSV-to-XML mappings in XForms 2.0
13:05:59 <Steven_> [No link]
13:07:40 <Steven_> Erik: He is only interested in the CSV representation; improvements are about roundtripping, and should be included if it makes sense; I haven't looked at it in depth yet.
13:07:56 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2033: Add clarification about deleting atomic values
13:07:56 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0001.html
13:08:28 <Steven_> Erik: Nothing to be discussed
13:09:07 <Steven_> ... the end result is clearer
13:09:36 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2032: Allow delete on multiple instances
13:09:36 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0002.html
13:10:34 <Steven_> Steven: Do we need to include a clarification about the use of "document"?
13:11:33 <Steven_> Erik: Some implementations allow access to non-instances
13:11:51 <Steven_> Steven: How do you reference non-instance documents?
13:12:34 <ebruchez> <var doc="my:new-doc()"/>
13:12:52 <ebruchez> <delete ref="$var//books"/>
13:13:26 <Steven_> Erik: You can insert in things that are not instances proper
13:14:15 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/#submit-evt-submit-serialize
13:14:45 <ebruchez> event('submission-body')
13:14:58 <Steven_> Erik: For instance you might insert in a submission budy
13:15:41 <Steven_> Steven: Should we clarify this so that readers understand?
13:18:13 <Steven_> "A detached copy of the first child element of the instance element is created and placed within a new document node. The copied element becomes the root element of a new XML document."
13:18:25 <Steven_> Steven: That's for instance
13:19:44 <Steven_> Steven: I propose adding "document" to the glossary
13:20:52 <Steven_> ACTION: Steven to add "document" to the glossary
13:20:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2034 - Add "document" to the glossary [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-10-14].
13:21:18 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-2031: Deprecate <delete> without a node binding
13:21:18 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0003.html
13:21:44 <Steven_> Steven: Close ACTION-2031
13:22:11 <Steven_> ACTION-2030 - Make return types of days-to-date and seconds-to-datetime
13:22:11 <Steven_> string
13:22:11 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0004.html
13:22:27 <Steven_> Steven: Nothing to discuss
13:22:46 <Steven_> Topic: Deleting namespace nodes
13:22:46 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Sep/0016.html
13:24:21 <Steven_> Erik: [explains email]
13:25:30 <Steven_> Steven: It seems to me that the crux is this: "XPath 2.0 implementations are not required to expose the namespace axis,
13:25:30 <Steven_> though they may do so if they wish to offer backwards compatibility." [1]
13:26:41 <Steven_> Steven: It seems that the only thing we can say is that implementations MAY insert and delete namespace nodes, but that it isn't interoperable.
13:27:32 <Steven_> Erik: OK
13:27:53 <Steven_> ACTION: Erik to add note that implementations MAY allow insert and delete of namespace nodes
13:27:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2035 - Add note that implementations may allow insert and delete of namespace nodes [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-10-14].
13:29:43 <Steven_> Topic: AOB
13:29:52 <Steven_> [None]
13:30:09 <Steven_> Next call same time next week.
13:30:20 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
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