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15:08:12 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Agenda:
15:08:21 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> https://www.w3.org/community/schemed/wiki/September_25th,_2015_Conference_agenda
15:10:23 <danbri1> let's introduce ourselves in IRC
15:10:30 <danbri1> danbri1 = Dan Brickley, I work for Google on schema.org.
15:10:59 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Marc, SchemED cg
15:11:05 <Kerstin> Kerstin Forsberg working for AstraZenenca R%D Sweden and engaged in PhUSE and CDISC
15:11:23 <Kerstin> sorry AstraZeneca
15:11:39 <rjw> I am also [currently] working with Google on Schema.org
15:13:29 <danbri1> marc: 1st agenda item - approve minutes from last time
15:13:35 <markharrison> markharrison = Mark Harrison  - I do some work for the GS1 standards body, particularly on their GS1 Web Vocabulary, a planned extension to schema.org for detailed product info, especially for foods and clothing - with some relevant properties for nutritional info, ingredients, diet, allergens, additives and product certification
15:13:39 <danbri1> - they look fine to me
15:13:52 <danbri1> marc: any objections?
15:13:59 <danbri1> [none received]
15:14:20 <danbri1> resolved - http://www.w3.org/2015/08/28-schemed-minutes.html are a fair record of last meeting
15:15:05 <danbri1> marc: we note that https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/492 will be a central entry point for this work - i.e. a single place to look for latest status (even if things are elsewhere and linked)
15:15:26 <danbri1> … since last meeting we had couple of discussions, github, mail etc. Came up with a pragmatic approach to get this extension moving fwd
15:15:56 <danbri1> … some people were not entirely happy, but taking into account what guha told us last week [re starting small]  it is a nice and pragmatic start
15:16:18 <danbri1> … so first step is what we have now. Richard Wallis has been helping to get this implemented / integrated via GitHub
15:16:26 <rjw> http://health.sdo-schemedex.appspot.com/
15:16:34 <danbri1> [shows this frontpage via webex]
15:16:58 <danbri1> … these are the terms which were already in schema.org
15:17:20 <danbri1> … we need to look at each one, we have already a couple of issues raised by danbri, e.g. vague/ambiguous terms
15:17:26 <danbri1> … first step is to agree on this structure for today
15:18:07 <danbri1> lots of types and properties [missed the number]
15:18:20 <danbri1> one class in core is proposed for deprecation
15:18:20 <Kerstin> Thx danbri - helpful comments for a newcomber here
15:18:32 <danbri1> - http://schema.org/Balance
15:18:42 <danbri1> also two properties suggested for deprecation, aspect + branch
15:18:48 <danbri1> and a couple to be discussed ("T.B.D.")
15:19:15 <danbri1> [lists some OK terms w.r.t. discussion so far]
15:19:27 <danbri1> … we won't try to discuss individual terms on today's call
15:19:51 <danbri1> instead, see list at http://health.sdo-schemedex.appspot.com/ - please review terms and raise issues on Github
15:20:14 <danbri1> [danbri: I suggest the core schema.org github issues list for the issue raising, for now, not schemed's]
15:20:52 <danbri1> Richard Wallis: there are some general health-related terms like Dentist, Hospital which should probably stay in the schema.org core, and this Community Group can still improve/extend them - e.g. by adding properties
15:20:56 <danbri1> q+
15:21:09 <danbri1> … another group of terms are enumeration values
15:21:22 <danbri1> … some are type-like eg types of examination
15:21:25 <danbri1> … skeletal exam
15:21:45 <danbri1> … [ IAF? rjw can you link ?]
15:24:42 <danbri1> danbri: two points. 1.) we don't have a formal namespace mechanism, it is essentially flat, but see .eg. Recipe for properties whose name includes 'recipe', which is a kind of soft / pseudo namespacing structure
15:25:30 <danbri1> 2.) other things we can do: improve definitions, imprve examples [ write blog posts; give conference talks; … build tools …  i.e. there is more to the work than adding new vocab ]
15:25:40 <danbri1> marc + mark: lists some generic terms
15:25:53 <danbri1> … I tried to make a list, around ~13 or 30 ...
15:26:19 <danbri1> if we decided to disambiguate them … we somehow deprecate the older, [ superseded in schema.org terminlogy]
15:26:31 <danbri1> … my suggestion would be to improve the definition of such terms
15:27:11 <danbri1> danbri: needs careful review not general conversion rules
15:27:14 <danbri1> e.g. see http://health.sdo-schemedex.appspot.com/Vessel also
15:27:26 <danbri1> marc: I picked some issues about terms being too vague or broad or ...
15:27:48 <danbri1> created issues, but i invite everyone to contribute
15:28:32 <danbri1> [missed detail]
15:28:53 <danbri1> shows overview doc [url??]
15:29:41 <danbri1> [I can't scribe everyone now sorry - I need to leave shortly …]
15:30:04 <danbri1> marc: … extension of definitions. Some have been updated / extended / improved
15:30:50 <markharrison> Q: Would it be more helpful to illustrate these subClass hierarchical relationships in a diagram?
15:31:43 <danbri1> danbri: apologies, exit stage left.
15:32:56 <rjw> @markharrison +1
15:34:32 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Thanks Dan
15:34:58 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Agenda Item 5. Review of Action points from last meeting
15:35:34 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Michel could not't make it today, so the Follow up will be done in the next meeting
15:36:30 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> At this point Kerstin talked about her experience with vocabs |terminology and uses cases in Clinical trial data
15:36:51 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> from experience of PhuSE project
15:39:08 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Action point 2: Dan (Follow up next meeting)
15:39:51 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Action Point 3. Marc so far done--now we will add all 12 changes to this
15:39:52 <Kerstin> http://www.phusewiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Semantic_Technology
15:40:39 <Kerstin> http://www.astrazenecaclinicaltrials.com/
15:40:46 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Richard: we have to look at the vocab itself and investigate who will be using it
15:41:49 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Most of challenges here is not use but the data are not public
15:42:04 <Kerstin> https://clinicaltrials.gov/
15:45:10 <Kerstin> https://prsinfo.clinicaltrials.gov/definitions.html mapped to
15:45:11 <Kerstin> Olivier Bodenreider
15:45:31 <Kerstin> Olivier is the key person behind CT.gov
15:49:49 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Action point: Kerstin |Michel to contact Olivier (CT.gov) as a potential user of clinical trial vocab
15:50:52 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Action point: Marc to create Github issue about each of improvements done in the current version of the extension
15:55:13 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Action Point : Mark Harrison to follow up with nutrition vocab as another extension not in health
16:08:31 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> Next call will be announced (it will be last friday of October)-- meanwhile activity will go on through github and mailing list
16:10:10 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> rrsagent, create minutes
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16:11:05 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> rrsagent, publish minutes
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16:31:12 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-schemed-actions.rdf :
16:31:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: point to Kerstin |Michel to contact Olivier (CT.gov) as a potential user of clinical trial vocab [1]
16:31:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-schemed-irc#T15-49-49
16:31:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: point to Marc to create Github issue about each of improvements done in the current version of the extension [2]
16:31:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-schemed-irc#T15-50-52
16:31:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Point to Mark Harrison to follow up with nutrition vocab as another extension not in health [3]
16:31:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/25-schemed-irc#T15-55-13