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14:52:34 RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:52:36 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:52:36 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:52:37 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:37 Date: 24 September 2015
14:53:37 agenda?
14:53:42 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:53:45 agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
14:53:47 agenda+ TPAC Planning
14:53:50 agenda+ Transcript CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Sep/0035.html
14:53:53 agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
14:53:55 agenda+ Web Payments Followup
14:53:58 agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:54:00 agenda+ Drag & Drop: Does it work? Chaals
14:54:03 agenda+ IMEs -- Chaals
14:54:05 agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
14:54:08 agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
14:54:10 agenda+ TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
14:54:13 agenda+ Other Business
14:54:15 agenda+ be done
14:57:48 zakim, next item
14:57:48 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:57:54 chair: janina
14:58:04 present+ janina
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15:04:30 present+ plh
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15:06:16 Present+ JF
15:06:21 present+ judyb
15:06:55 zakim, who's here?
15:06:55 Present: janina, plh, JF, judyb
15:06:57 On IRC I see IanPouncey, JF, Judy, plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, ShaneM, sivoais, liam, joanie, trackbot
15:07:08 scribe: JF
15:07:34 agenda?
15:07:52 zakim, next item,
15:07:52 I don't understand 'next item,', JF
15:08:02 zakim, next item
15:08:02 agendum 2. "Agenda Edits & Additions" taken up [from janina]
15:08:22 JS: any additions or edits?
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15:08:41 [none]
15:08:46 zakim, close item 2
15:08:46 agendum 2, Agenda Edits & Additions, closed
15:08:47 I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:47 3. TPAC Planning [from janina]
15:08:53 zakim, next item
15:08:53 agendum 3. "TPAC Planning" taken up [from janina]
15:09:13 JS: time to start discussing who will be there, and what we hope to achieve there
15:09:39 present+ Liam
15:09:43 JS: I am planning to be there, and suspect we'll spend time Thurs or Fri looking at HTML concerns
15:10:07 JS: Liam, JF, Judy & PLH will also be there
15:10:35 JS: any hot items to discuss at TPAC?
15:10:52 hoping to have clarity around various WGs etc.
15:11:30 look at what is happening in TF
15:12:13 JS: seems some things, like acceskey and panels that will require continued work. A TF may likely be a productive thing to do
15:12:39 JS: any other thoughts here?
15:13:46 liam: the best thing to do at tpac is coordination, are there other WGs we should meet with?
15:15:27 JF: suggests we do not have enough people on today's call
15:15:35 JS: agrees, next item
15:15:38 zakim, next item
15:15:38 agendum 4. "Transcript CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Sep/0035.html" taken up [from janina]
15:15:54 JS: was hoping Paul would be here
15:16:05 PLH:Paul is travelling
15:16:17 JS: CfC concluded with no objections
15:16:34 PLH: prepared a number of them, not sure if Transcrip was one of them
15:16:43 expect to see a batch to clear next week
15:16:55 JS: will clear any off my desk this week as well
15:17:10 PLH: yes, get your side done, and Paul will handle his
15:17:36 PLH: taking care of this - Liam need not worry
15:17:47 PLH: publishing 2-3 a day right now
15:18:43 JS: Chaals also noted a different CfC re: old API mapping stub
15:19:09 ACTION: PLH to go look at the CfC Chaals pointed out
15:19:09 Created ACTION-333 - Go look at the cfc chaals pointed out [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2015-10-01].
15:19:50 zakim, nexst item
15:19:50 I don't understand 'nexst item', JF
15:20:00 zakim, next item
15:20:00 agendum 5. "Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH" taken up [from janina]
15:20:48 JS: Proposed Recommendation around Canvas
15:20:58 PLH: this is all set
15:21:14 LQ: yes, this is what JS was saying - time for champagne!
15:21:46 PLH: most of the folks who worked on this are not around today - but thanks to all involved and recognition of work well done
15:22:05 zakim, next item
15:22:05 agendum 6. "Web Payments Followup" taken up [from janina]
15:22:35 JS: nothing to report - looking for participants in an a11y User REquirements sub-team
15:23:01 JS: interested parties should post on list
15:23:15 JF: OK, because I am interested
15:23:20 zakim, next item
15:23:20 agendum 7. "Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam" taken up [from janina]
15:23:47 JS: great work, seems like some minor edits and time for review
15:24:01 JF: has a note gone out requesting that review?
15:24:12 LQ: yes, please take a look at it
15:24:28 LQ: may have been in minutes of a week or two ago
15:24:38 JS: will raise this as needing a wider review
15:24:50 JS: do we think it is ready for WCAG and EO to look at
15:25:17 JF: thinks the more the merrier
15:25:54 LQ: I've changed the direction of the document slightly - good, bad, other? Should we continue in the current direction. Think it should be included in HTML5 spec
15:26:24 present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:26:36 ACTION: Janina to send out note requestiong wider review (includes WCAG and EO)
15:26:36 Created ACTION-334 - Send out note requestiong wider review (includes wcag and eo) [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-10-01].
15:27:09 JS: welcomes Rich, notes that Canvas is out for AC balloting
15:27:16 zakim, next item
15:27:16 agendum 8. "Drag & Drop: Does it work? Chaals" taken up [from janina]
15:27:52 JS: is it functional from an a11y point of view? Believe yes
15:28:28 RS: Never finished it. It started but then dropped off... would be surprised if there is any standardization there
15:28:36 JS: so then the simple answer is no?
15:28:45 RS: are there any plans?
15:29:13 RS: will this be picked up by the new Web Platforms group?
15:29:28 JS: not sure - thinks this may be why Chaals asked to have this added
15:29:37 RS: not seen any discussion around drag and drop
15:29:40 Q+
15:30:02 PLH: D & D is part of HTML5 spec. so is this going to be picked up by web platform group? yes
15:30:18 PLH: it is part of the spec
15:30:23 http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/editing.html#dnd
15:30:50 RS: looking this over now
15:31:15 RS: has it been implemented across all browsers?
15:31:54 http://caniuse.com/#search=drag suggests IE, Edge, ff, chrome, safari opera, but not on mobile
15:32:03 PLH: believe yes, but thinks that it was not properly tested. It didn't make 5.0 because of that, but it is still in 5.1
15:32:24 RS: So we need to look at this again then, and/but we need to see it implemented in all the browsers
15:32:43 PLH: as I understand, it is working everywhere already
15:33:14 RS: so yes, looks like we will need to look at it
15:34:15 RS: deprecating DnD in ARIA, because it wasn't in 5.0
15:34:59 people already have implementations around this. What we need to do is to re-look at this for ARIA 2.0, and make a decision then. Deprecation gives us an opportunity to look at it later
15:35:16 RS: have not seen any documentation around how this maps to HTML services layers
15:36:25 RS: value of deprecation is to note that we'll revisit this down the road - people are not happy with current ARIA spec there
15:36:57 one of the consultants noted that some sites (under litigation) will be (could be) impacted by this, so tread gently...
15:37:01 ack JF
15:37:37 RS: notes that the HTML (5.1) a11y mapping spec needs to include support for DnD
15:38:01 RS: How should we do that? file a defect?
15:38:07 JS: probably yes
15:38:26 RS: do we have any idea the impact of this on other host langugages? SVG?
15:38:32 PLH: not sure
15:39:15 RS: what is the timeline for 5.1? Has that been decided yet?
15:39:22 (final req)
15:39:37 PLH: not sure at this time - it is complicated
15:40:10 PLH: suspect that this will be a key discussion at TPAC
15:41:50 PLH: current process is difficult - we keep creating patches which is cumbersome
15:46:50 zakim, next item
15:46:50 agendum 9. "IMEs -- Chaals" taken up [from janina]
15:47:29 JS: Chaals asked to have this added. Apperntly there is ongoing activity around content editable
15:47:52 Is anyone actively working on Content Editable?
15:48:30 JF: asks for clarity around "anyone" and "working"
15:48:39 LQ: PLH may know
15:48:52 PLH: short answr is yes, small group and not enough
15:49:02 it is tricky and arcane as well
15:49:18 some are asking to move the deliverables into an incubator group instead
15:49:34 So, Chaals is asking for someone with a11y chops to take up the commitment for Content Editable
15:49:45 late spring we lost 2 key people. significant piece of work, do not expect rapid progress
15:50:23 PLH: there seems to be a lack of energy here
15:50:32 zakim, next item
15:50:32 agendum 10. "Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al" taken up [from janina]
15:50:47 zakim, close item 10
15:50:47 agendum 10, Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al, closed
15:50:48 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:50:48 11. Bug Triage -- Leonie [from janina]
15:50:50 agenda?
15:51:14 JS: suspect we can wrap up now.
15:51:29 JS: ajorned.
15:51:35 zakim, who's here?
15:51:35 Present: janina, plh, JF, judyb, Liam, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:51:37 On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, IanPouncey, JF, Judy, plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, ShaneM, sivoais, liam, joanie, trackbot
15:51:43 [additional thanks to Rich on canvas]
15:52:02 rrsagent, make minutes public
15:52:02 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', JF. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:54:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-html-a11y-minutes.html liam
15:55:46 zakim, please part
15:55:46 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, plh, JF, judyb, Liam, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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15:56:14 RRSAgent, please part
15:56:14 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-html-a11y-actions.rdf :
15:56:14 ACTION: PLH to go look at the CfC Chaals pointed out [1]
15:56:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-html-a11y-irc#T15-19-09
15:56:14 ACTION: Janina to send out note requestiong wider review (includes WCAG and EO) [2]
15:56:14 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-html-a11y-irc#T15-26-36