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12:58:08 <wseltzer> Meeting: W3C Web and Digital Marketing Convergence, Day 2
12:58:19 <wseltzer> Chair: Chad_Hage, Reza_Jalili
12:58:34 <wseltzer> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/agenda.html
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13:20:40 <wseltzer> Topic: Session 5: Privacy and Identity
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13:25:48 <wseltzer> Greg's slides: http://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/slides/norcieDigimarketing.pdf
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13:26:43 <oyiptong> greg: https a baseline for security
13:26:45 <oyiptong> greg: mixed content is harmful. 20% of advertisers do not support https
13:26:55 <oyiptong> greg: mixed content attack: australian voting site
13:27:22 <oyiptong> greg: https supported, but 3rd party javascript used an outdated version of TLS vulnerable to FREAK attack
13:27:36 <wseltzer> greg: FREAK attack, renegotiation to export crypto -- crypto weak enough to give to our enemies in the '90s
13:28:01 <oyiptong> greg: votes for the australian voting websites coud've been modified
13:29:12 <oyiptong> greg: best practices: 1) use HSTS 2) use certificate pinning 3) use TLS not SSL
13:29:43 <oyiptong> greg: data breaches due to failure to implement https may be seen as unfair businesspractice under FTC's section 5 authority
13:30:41 <wseltzer> greg's slides: http://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/slides/norcieDigimarketing.pdf
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13:31:13 <wseltzer> USEMP Velti slides: http://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/slides/USEMP-VELTI-privacy-aware%20digital%20marketing.pdf
13:31:55 <wseltzer> tmichalareas: USEMP vision for privacy-aware digital marketing
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13:33:06 <wseltzer> http://www.usemp-project.eu/
13:33:54 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: identified a number of issues around privacy on the internet
13:34:15 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: should be developing tools for feedback and control by users
13:34:42 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: economic awareness: provide feedback and control to the user about the value of the data they share
13:35:05 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: there should be transparency about how they are being targeted
13:36:11 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: vision: should be possible to know what personal data is accessible, who is requesting this data and for what purpose
13:37:13 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: vision: should be possible to know what the value the data has, should be able to opt-in/out to 3rd parties and to access the derived data (inferences/classifications) relating to his/her profile
13:37:47 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: there should be new business models generated where the user is on the receiving end of a financial transaction about their data
13:38:45 <oyiptong> tmichalareas: could use DNT to reject ads. interest graph is computed locally by the browser, new targeting happens locally by the browser, ads use this interest graph
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13:47:29 <wseltzer> oyiptong: I have code for you, we worked on this
13:47:38 <wseltzer> oyiptong: but challenges: how do you expose to the user what they're about to share
13:47:47 <wseltzer> ... how do you change as user interests change?
13:48:03 <wseltzer> ... how do you prevent advertisers from combinig this info with data they already have?
13:48:27 <wseltzer> gnorcie: contractual options
13:48:35 <wseltzer> oyiptong: many people don't like the contractual hammer
13:48:38 <wseltzer> ... also, it's hard to audit
13:48:54 <wseltzer> tmichalareas: deployment model for smart ads could be data never leaves the browser
13:49:17 <wseltzer> ... we're going to run a pilot in the next year
13:50:09 <wseltzer> BradHill: if you give info to everyone from the browser, you're still sharing with everyone
13:50:24 <wseltzer> tmichalareas: if you only share transaction ID
13:50:37 <wseltzer> oyiptong: it's very hard to implement client-side decision-making without sharing data
13:51:23 <oyiptong> reza: additive suggestion, requires a standard. many tried it, it has tremendous potential
13:53:24 <wseltzer> reza: lots of promise in local computing of preferences, connections to schema.org,
13:53:51 <wseltzer> stevez: how do you deal with someone who doesn't own a computer; doesn't own a phone; or uses multiple browsers?
13:54:47 <wseltzer> tmichalareas: perhaps we start with simple case, separate interest graphs per-browser
13:55:37 <wseltzer> stevez: I can record that I purchased something, so I don't keep getting ads for it
13:56:09 <wseltzer> BrendanIAB: I've heard several points at which this tech was designed to be inserted: extension, proxy
13:56:26 <wseltzer> ... but the way to derive value from data is to prevent others from accruing it
13:56:33 <wseltzer> ... so it's antagonistic to business models
13:56:39 <wseltzer> ... it's not exactly friendly
13:57:13 <wseltzer> ... once you establish buisiness relationships, you have behavioral data in one place, demographic data in another
13:57:25 <wseltzer> ... so you have to send your proprietary behavioral algorithms to an untrusted client
13:57:47 <wseltzer> ... and/or send non-behavioral data to the client, which you might be prevented from by contract, privacy risk
13:58:06 <wseltzer> tmichalareas: it seems we're near a tipping point now regarding tracking
13:59:33 <wseltzer> gnorcie: issue of consent, opt-out
13:59:36 <oyiptong> greg: consent is important for tracking
14:00:17 <oyiptong> greg: fingerprinting/super-cookie are OK in europe, but users need a way to opt out
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14:05:49 <wseltzer> BrendanIAB: companies that are circumventing ad-blocking are seeing higher click-through and conversion rates
14:08:25 <wseltzer> Dutta: RTB 2.3 should require TLS on all communications
14:09:54 <wseltzer> marktorrance: tipping point for us as DSP was when a major supplier switched to HTTPS (YouTube)
14:21:57 <wseltzer> bhill2: RTB spec is IAB's; there are hard latency requirements, and also technical work that can improve the server-server communicaitons
14:22:16 <wseltzer> ... there should be an equivalent of istlsfastyet for those measurements and tunings
14:32:04 <wseltzer> marktorrance: how could client-side targeting work? At Rocket Fuel, we have 10k ads at one time
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14:32:11 <wseltzer> ... we're not going to preload all of those
14:32:25 <wseltzer> ... and if we don't preload, act of requesting some will leak informaiton
14:32:37 <wseltzer> ... so we're going to be on the current system for a while yet
14:32:52 <wseltzer> ... rich areas for W3C in standardization, taxonomies, product data
14:34:16 <wseltzer> keiji: Thanks!
14:34:35 <wseltzer> ... summary of issues: deployment of HTTPS, local-side targeting
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15:13:34 <wseltzer> Topic: Session 6: Connections
15:13:51 <wseltzer> khoya: Kazuhiro Hoya, Fuji Television Network
15:13:59 <wseltzer> [slides will be available after]
15:14:33 <wseltzer> khoya: Linear TV viewing is still strong
15:16:04 <keiji> khoya: Over 30Gbits/sec traffic for 7 sec traffic down the streaming service.
15:16:17 <wseltzer> khoya: challenge, TV and other viewing devices don't have same tracking ID
15:16:26 <keiji> khoya: How to link devices with TV is issue.
15:16:56 <wseltzer> khoya: TV in Japan has unique serial number that can be obtained in HTTP transaction
15:17:31 <keiji> khoya: TV has unique serial No., MAC, and old data broad cast tech is being used.
15:18:02 <keiji> khoya: 1 kb NVRAM data is used as cookie.
15:18:40 <keiji> khoya: Hybird TV service (2012-) use HTML5 and CSS.
15:19:11 <keiji> khoya: use Ureg/Greg 16kB each is used.
15:20:12 <keiji> khoya: How to aggrigate user data.  Interactive Content, QR-code, HybridTV.
15:21:21 <keiji> khoya: Privacy is traumatized issues in Japan.
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15:22:41 <keiji> khoya: Intrusive Agreement is another issue.
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15:24:31 <keiji> khoya: Privacy Agreement Survey shows different kinds of terms and condition were preferd.
15:25:00 <keiji> khoya: Same Agreement is used for all broadcasters as umbrella.
15:25:23 <wseltzer> khoya: umbrella agreement much easier to get people's assent
15:25:32 <keiji> s/is used/is prefered/
15:26:42 <wseltzer> khoya: Toshiba's TV-Point service, joint project with CCC shoppng point
15:26:56 <wseltzer> ... offers mileage points for logging of data
15:27:08 <wseltzer> ... non-exclusive agreement for 3d party use.
15:27:13 <keiji> khoya: CCC/T-point is used as user identifier on TV products from Toshiba with Non-exclusive agreement for 3rd party use.
15:27:20 <wseltzer> ... caused problems.
15:28:02 <wseltzer> khoya: as broadcasters, we think the stare of the market should improve
15:28:29 <wseltzer> jinhong: Jinhong Yang, KAIST
15:28:29 <keiji> Jinhong: from KAIST presents Content Sharing on Mobile Browser
15:28:51 <wseltzer> jinhong's slides: http://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/slides/PositionPaper_ShareTag.pdf
15:28:55 <keiji> jinhong: when we share a new on the website.
15:30:16 <wseltzer> jinhong: share tag would trigger buttons for users' installed apps
15:31:08 <keiji> jinhong: proposed idea is to have icons to express services to share user data.
15:32:57 <wseltzer> dezell: David Ezell, NACS
15:33:02 <wseltzer> dezell's slides: http://www.w3.org/2015/digital-marketing-workshop/slides/DigitalMarketingandPayments.pdf
15:33:18 <keiji> David: from NACS digital marketing and payment
15:33:23 <wseltzer> dezell: about 153,000 retail petroleum outlets, "convenience stores"
15:33:29 <wseltzer> ... in the US
15:33:40 <keiji> David: Review of NACS Industry Requirements
15:33:46 <wseltzer> ... many of them single-store operators
15:34:00 <keiji> s/David/dezell/
15:34:08 <wseltzer> ... digital marketing is really important to brick-and-mortar stores
15:34:34 <wseltzer> ... also brands who distribute to convenience stores
15:34:36 <keiji> dezell: will talk on web payment.
15:34:37 <wseltzer> ... Web Payments
15:34:56 <keiji> dezell: is co-chair of web payment IG.
15:36:39 <wseltzer> dezell: mobile wallet, your interface with lots of these technologies
15:37:27 <wseltzer> dezell: I'm looking for feedback for the Web Payments group.
15:37:39 <keiji> dezell: Things have changed marchandize have more channel to their customer.
15:38:15 <keiji> dezell: Transaction will become more complex, consumer-centric & safer.
15:38:34 <wseltzer> dezell: about 153M transactions a day in C-stores; that's opportunities to interact with consumers
15:39:05 <keiji> dezell: consumer need to be kept impressing.
15:39:43 <wseltzer> dezell: consumers don't want yet another single-purpose app
15:40:43 <wseltzer> dezell: transaction of the future, you'll get dozens of offers; consumer wants to know, what's the best deal?
15:41:23 <wseltzer> dezell: merchants are thinking "own the customer," and "reduce costs"
15:41:38 <keiji> dezell: merchants want to own their costomer while costomer do not want multiple apps.
15:44:13 <wseltzer> dezell: other considerations on payments: what's a legal purchase, an offer, taxation, additional payment methods (SNAP)
15:45:13 <wseltzer> dezell: Petroleum cards among the earliest credit cards, loyalty programs
15:46:38 <wseltzer> dezell: Flash Foods, centralized loyalty program
15:47:34 <wseltzer> ... saved money by establishing own ACH program, that covered the costs of loyalty program.
15:48:43 <wseltzer> dezell: digital marketing needs to be able to promote brands, individual products, product categories, individual merchants, payment service providers, and payment schemes
15:49:45 <keiji> dezell: Digital wallet app require digtal offers to answer their questions.
15:51:15 <wseltzer> reza: Connecting digital to the physical world, outside interactions
15:54:49 <keiji> khoya: T-point is a point program on merchants is now used to link to TV watching behavior data for advertisement.
15:56:08 <keiji> dezell: Petro pyament now has point system with America express.
15:56:28 <wseltzer> BradL: advertising displays at gas stations, why aren't they targeted?
15:56:32 <keiji> Satya:  How TV can detect other devices in house?
15:57:17 <keiji> khoya: Now we do not have mechanism to link devices may use user ID application can be used.
15:58:01 <keiji> khoya: T-point may be used to like those costomer devices.
15:59:12 <keiji> Satya: Amazon has chash back now.  Will digital wallet have such function?
15:59:53 <keiji> dezell: We are now developing use cases that may include such function.
16:01:01 <wseltzer> bhill2: "tracking" is fundamental to payments, reducing fraud
16:01:19 <wseltzer> ... long precedent of credit card companies selling data offline
16:01:58 <keiji> bhill: Human tracking and payment is interesting topic what do you think linking those data to advertisement or selling those data.
16:02:25 <wseltzer> dezell: MC agreement with merchants says, for any txn in which MC is a party, MC is the sole owner of the data. NACS concerned aobut that.
16:02:38 <keiji> dezell: People are going to connect those data.
16:03:01 <keiji> dezell: I donot know what that means.
16:06:02 <wseltzer> davidhumpherys: with credit card payments, my data is only as secure as the collection of merchants I've used. What are digital payments doing?
16:06:09 <wseltzer> dezell: tokenization
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16:06:12 <keiji> david: how digital wallet can manage trust of merchants.
16:06:52 <keiji> dezell: We are working on tokenization to protect security of payment.
16:07:20 <keiji> david: My data will sitll remain on the server side.
16:07:30 <keiji> s/sitll/still/
16:07:57 <wseltzer> dezell: my definition of credential: a statement of fact
16:08:05 <keiji> dezell: we work on related issues in credential CG.
16:08:13 <wseltzer> ... authentication asymptotically moves toward identity
16:08:36 <keiji> dezell: credential can be used to prove a fact.
16:09:40 <keiji> dezell: Authentication is used to authenticate credential that is my understanding that may not be accurate.
16:09:41 <wseltzer> bhill2: non-binary approach, does my confidence exceed my risk
16:10:54 <keiji> wseltzer: differnet groups are using terms in different ways.
16:11:54 <keiji> ted: IP address is being used as unique identifire.  Is it the best way?
16:12:54 <keiji> khoya:  IP address is being shared among differnt users sometimes e.g. in huge apartment.
16:13:30 <keiji> khoya: It is not accurate so we are not using it as identifier.
16:15:49 <keiji> wseltzer: How meta-data work with share button on mobile e-mail apprications?
16:16:57 <keiji> jinhong:  User can have applications works on their smartphone to handle user operation.
16:18:18 <keiji> dutta:  Is there any way to link devices used by same user?
16:20:45 <keiji> khoya:  There are no specific technology has been developed.
16:20:50 <wseltzer> betehess: re share button, you can use schema.org "share" action
16:21:01 <wseltzer> ... maybe need an API to register services
16:21:05 <wseltzer> ... but don't need new markup
16:21:29 <keiji> keiji:  UPnP may help to detect other devices on local network.
16:22:25 <betehess> small clarification: schema:ShareAction doesn't seem to implement the same use-case, but that's the right approach
16:22:41 <betehess> link http://schema.org/ShareAction
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16:32:38 <wseltzer> [lunch]
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17:35:03 <wseltzer> Topic: Running Code
17:35:23 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: WhiteOps
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17:36:16 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: I like the Web!
17:36:50 <wseltzer> ... it's always up to date
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17:37:20 <wseltzer> ... continuous integration
17:37:42 <wseltzer> ... that model has now won, to the point that Windows is shipping like web pages
17:38:05 <wseltzer> ... Web pages just show up, you don't have to install an app
17:38:11 <wseltzer> ... Don't need permission to write a page
17:38:43 <wseltzer> ... Independent broker, depends on
17:39:00 <wseltzer> ... 1) same-origin policy. You can run anything you want, so long as it's on your own content
17:40:44 <wseltzer> ... 2) the web is mostly safe. If you don't like a site, close it
17:41:22 <keiji> dankaminsky: Malvertising Trap should we block ads? It is not web.
17:42:09 <keiji> dankaminsky: Off-site navigation is a terrible design.
17:43:58 <keiji> dankaminsky: demonstration with slightly modified chrome.
17:45:26 <wseltzer> [demo of ways to change page element visibility]
17:45:35 <wseltzer> [multiply nested iframe]
17:45:49 <keiji> dankaminsky: You can modify appearance of web window freely.
17:46:41 <wseltzer> [now, requestVisibility]
17:47:43 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: either you're fully visible, or you're not visible and you know
17:50:12 <keiji> dankaminsky: We take out image object under layear of iframe.
17:51:54 <keiji> dankaminsky: I am going to post the code to the chrome engineer forum.
17:53:14 <keiji> dankaminsky: We made output accessibility on top of existing framework.
17:53:40 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: if you have input exclusivity and output visibility, we can start talking about the address bar, indications to user
17:54:12 <wseltzer> ... make it easier for users to interact with users in a trusted manner
17:54:21 <keiji> dankaminsky: Messing address bar is dangerous.  We are dangerous persons.
17:55:06 <keiji> aaa:  If widow come from other app does this still protect?
17:56:01 <keiji> dankaminsky: My assumption is attack from same application(window).
17:56:30 <wseltzer> s/aaa/BradL/
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17:57:10 <keiji> Andre: If we have multiple frame come from same window what happen?
17:57:19 <keiji> dankaminsky: It is undefined.
17:58:39 <keiji> dankaminsky: iframe is all around web being used various purposes.
18:00:00 <keiji> BrendanIAB: Viewability can be access from parent window?
18:01:39 <keiji> dankaminsky: Parent can know their child works normal.  We can detect attacks ageinst the frames.
18:02:36 <keiji> dankaminsky: timestamp is not moving.
18:03:27 <keiji> mark: does filter still work on top of the frame?
18:04:18 <keiji> dankaminsky: if it is unmodified it works.
18:04:48 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: you can do what you want in the iframe, it won't be affected by what else is sent
18:05:15 <wseltzer> marktorrance: much ad tech goes through multiple intermediaries. who should use ironframe?
18:05:31 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: nested ironframe needs to specced out
18:05:51 <wseltzer> marktorrance: what's the path forward? standards?
18:05:51 <keiji> mark: does this work only on chrome?
18:06:08 <wseltzer> dankaminksy: after 15 years, I finally joined a standards body
18:06:27 <keiji> s/mark:/marktorrance:/
18:07:15 <wseltzer> dankaminsky: ancestorOrigins is part of the spec plan
18:07:24 <keiji> dankaminksy: working with browser vendors and working for standardization as well.
18:12:11 <wseltzer> jwold: I'm going to demo Ad-ID, download XMP, add it to some assets
18:13:08 <keiji> jwold: We have authentication model id/password on https.
18:15:20 <keiji> jwold: we have concepts of groups and accounts.
18:16:53 <keiji> jwold: explains function of ad-ID management system.
18:18:50 <keiji> jwold: This works would be based on contract.
18:19:30 <keiji> jwold: I am making meta-data for ad-ID management.
18:23:14 <wseltzer> [demo of the Ad-ID metadata creation]
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18:35:51 <keiji> jwold: I made a demo how we can make systems to exchange meta-data with standardized way.
18:36:47 <keiji> jworld: product ID can be stored but not associated with anything here.
18:37:41 <keiji> wseltzer: we would like to discuss what would be next by reviewing what we had done this two days.
18:39:04 <keiji> dezell: We may need to form IG or CG.
18:39:52 <keiji> dezell: UI and web accessibility is important issue we should work on.
18:43:47 <keiji> bbb: we need to way to control user tracking like standard for script to announce its purpose.
18:44:48 <keiji> ccc: feature like sandbox and UI are important.
18:45:33 <keiji> reza: browser support is necessary.
18:47:37 <keiji> s/bbb/BradL/
18:49:07 <keiji> alex: standard for data sharing scaling, social search may be needed.
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18:51:58 <keiji> Andre: topcs blocking, measuring, isolation etc may be need to disucss.  Do not know where is the appropriate to discuss on those issues.
18:52:49 <keiji> wseltzer: way to have more little data may be required.
18:53:30 <keiji> chad: we need to distinguish bot from others.
18:55:41 <keiji> chad: Authenticity is important for anti-bot, anti-malvertisement.
18:56:15 <keiji> ddd: we need to identify good practices.
18:57:55 <keiji> BrendanIAB: We have been talking on giving users more choices but publishers do not have chance to indicate their preferences.
18:58:39 <keiji> BrendanIAB: How site can express their preference may be needed.
18:59:16 <keiji> dankaminsky: What kind of Internet/Web we would like to provide is the key issue.
19:03:35 <keiji> BradL: security and performance are key issues.
19:05:23 <keiji> chad: feedback for retargeting may be useful.
19:06:53 <keiji> Amazon is trying to avoid to give feedback because that may leak user’s privacy.
19:07:19 <keiji> bhill: : Amazon is trying to avoid to give feedback because that may leak user’s privacy.
19:09:00 <keiji> bhill: it is difficult to give feedback while protecting user’s privacy.
19:10:06 <keiji> dutta: We should think from what we want.
19:15:55 <keiji> wseltzer: iron frame concept is comming to W3C web app security working group. If you are interested in you can participate.
19:16:33 <keiji> wseltzer: sandboxing is also things we may work on.
19:18:08 <keiji> wseltzer: Server side ad stitching and https (server-server) are other topics need to be solved.
19:19:45 <keiji> bill:  isolation and federated contents
19:19:57 <keiji> s/bill/bhill/
19:21:25 <keiji> dankaminsky: cross origin resouce integrity is hard to manage.  Server side integration may work well.
19:23:14 <keiji> BrendanIAB: responsibility issue (root of trust) have to be solved to have single stream of contents.
19:24:22 <keiji> dankaminsky: I would like to think network channel and security channel separatedly.
19:28:35 <keiji> keiji: client side (local) targeting is a topic many people are interested in.
19:31:48 <keiji> Andre: Tracking interaction
19:32:51 <keiji> BrendanIAB: IAB has API for ads on video
19:35:54 <keiji> wseltzer: we may be able launch a community group to identify needs of new standards.
19:37:35 <keiji> wseltzer: Web Payment activity may be related to your needs in some aspect so we encourrage you to participate.
19:38:39 <keiji> wseltzer: linking local devices and users may be another required feature.
19:40:33 <keiji> wseltzer: Web payment -> payment IG
19:41:09 <keiji> wseltzer: sanbox -> webApp sec wg
19:43:26 <keiji> eee: security / Malvertising and data collection should be considered differently.
19:44:24 <keiji> wseltzer: we need to cooperatively work on these issues.
19:46:14 <keiji> wseltzer: user agent support for marketing -> CG
19:48:12 <keiji> wseltzer: permissions/requests -> WebAppSec WG(API) + permission CG
19:52:37 <keiji> ;-) -> wseltzer
19:58:11 <keiji> wseltzer: data sharing, sclaeing, social sarch, inter-op action -> scheme.org for marketing??
19:59:56 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:06:16 <wseltzer> wseltzer: Thanks to Chad and Nielsen for hosting in great facilities
20:06:28 <wseltzer> ... Thanks to Reza for co-chairing and Adobe's sponsorship
20:06:49 <wseltzer> ... and thanks to all participants and Program Committee
20:06:53 <wseltzer> [adjourned]
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