IRC log of coga on 2015-09-18
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-irc
- 12:54:59 [Lisa_Seeman]
- regrets: Steve Lee
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ next weeks call times and dates
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- agenda+ review actions, and timelines (help for
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- agenda+ personlization questions
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- agenda+ Issue papers - GA
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- agenda+ Techniques - GA
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- agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers
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- agenda+ be done
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- password 643051337
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- for the webex
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- 13:05:21 [Mike_Pluke]
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- 13:06:03 [ayelet_seeman]
- who's scribing?
- 13:08:33 [Lisa_Seeman]
- scribe: ayelet_seeman
- 13:09:18 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: the period of grace in which we could be late with out anyone saying anything about it is diminishing
- 13:09:44 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0009.html
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- next item
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0009.html
- 13:10:05 [ayelet_seeman]
- ... . We still need Neil & Tony's work, as well as MaryJom's
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- next item
- 13:10:21 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/multi-modal.html
- 13:10:47 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0008.html
- 13:13:53 [ayelet_seeman]
- JR: looked over the multi modal issue paper
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- LS: was there anything missing from the gap analysis due to the issues arising in the paper?
- 13:14:14 [ayelet_seeman]
- JR: would be simplest to add a link to the issue paper in the techniques document
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- 13:15:07 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: what we did with the security issue paper is added a technique not to bar people from content they could access.
- 13:19:14 [ayelet_seeman]
- .... if people follow the already existing techniques, would they have enabled this
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- JR: to add section by section seems like too much work.
- 13:19:59 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: most of multi modal is addressed nicely in WCAG 2.0. the question is if there is anything missing from WCAG 2.0 to enable this.
- 13:20:06 [ayelet_seeman]
- JR: would need to look back at this.
- 13:20:18 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: from quick look, symbol sets are missing.
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- . JR: this wasn't part of the task.
- 13:21:15 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: the gap analysis goes through WCAG 2.0, and adds new requirements that are missing. happy to do it herself
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- JR: confused about what is involved
- 13:22:59 [ayelet_seeman]
- .... would like there to be an example of exactly what to do
- 13:23:21 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: recommends looking at previous issue papers, has explained it in previous emails
- 13:23:56 [Tony_Doran]
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- 13:25:18 [ayelet_seeman]
- ...one needs to look through the techniques and WCAG 2.0 and add/reference to what's missing
- 13:25:36 [Lisa_Seeman]
- action: lisa gap anlaisis for malit modal
- 13:25:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-133 - Gap anlaisis for malit modal [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-09-25].
- 13:26:13 [ayelet_seeman]
- JR & LS agreed that it would probably be simplest for LS to do it.
- 13:26:40 [ayelet_seeman]
- MP: requested a link to the security issue paper used as an example
- 13:27:41 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
- 13:27:49 [Lisa_Seeman]
- Minimize the cognitive skills required to use the content and avoid barriers that stop people with cognitive disabilities from using content, such as hard to use security mechanisms.
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- 13:28:36 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0008.html
- 13:29:53 [ayelet_seeman]
- JR: did the same thing (added links)
- 13:30:10 [ayelet_seeman]
- (with the security)
- 13:30:18 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 13:30:37 [Lisa_Seeman]
- action: lisa gap anlaisis for secirty
- 13:30:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-134 - Gap anlaisis for secirty [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-09-25].
- 13:30:55 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: will close John's actions and will do the gap analysis for the security
- 13:31:44 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0020.html
- 13:32:11 [ayelet_seeman]
- * continue
- 13:34:32 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: with the aria-function attribute, is concerned that people may use it in wrong contexts - for example use "contact us" in the "contact us" region
- 13:36:23 [ayelet_seeman]
- then thought that the attribute could be "aria-region-function", "aria-link-function", etc.
- 13:36:32 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: have a function with an embedded role of everything
- 13:37:20 [ayelet_seeman]
- ... why not have the Java Script trigger off in correct contexts?
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- LS: why not have clear guidelines?
- 13:37:59 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: what's to stop it spiralin out of control?
- 13:38:24 [ayelet_seeman]
- ... checkbox attribute, etc.
- 13:39:45 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Aug/0102.html
- 13:40:39 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: thought at first about having it trigger in "correct" contexts, but was concerned it's too complex
- 13:41:19 [ayelet_seeman]
- ... if developers have a div with out a role, the personalisation will be messed up
- 13:42:26 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: makes no sense to add additional semantics for semantic free items
- 13:44:00 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: are discussing this in the task force with lists, where there is a container and things in it.
- 13:44:41 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: the people on the call last week found it easier with action, field, region, destination attributes
- 13:45:12 [Lisa_Seeman]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/links-buttons.html
- 13:45:19 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: is there a list of what separates them from other values?
- 13:48:03 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: the supported values are at that link, and are divided in to those categories, so it seems like it will work
- 13:49:09 [ayelet_seeman]
- AS: what with adding the context to the names instead of the attributes?
- 14:02:01 [Tony_Doran]
- anhy progress on the next f2f
- 14:02:03 [Lisa_Seeman]
- I got droped
- 14:02:11 [Lisa_Seeman]
- but we are on the hour anyway
- 14:02:45 [Lisa_Seeman]
- so I guese we will rap up?
- 14:02:55 [Lisa_Seeman]
- (ayelet can you tell everyone?
- 14:03:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
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- 14:03:13 [Tony_Doran]
- Ok.
- 14:03:49 [ayelet_seeman]
- I am still catching up on the scribing so please don't wrap up yet.
- 14:04:57 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: IndieUI sends through an action. a problem is that in Java Script you won't know which functions are available.
- 14:05:33 [ayelet_seeman]
- LS: IndieUI triggers the event, which is a lot more than customisation.
- 14:07:59 [ayelet_seeman]
- RS: apple wants device free interfaces where functions work regardless of how it was triggered. you need some indicators on the page to know how to customize it for the user
- 14:08:13 [ayelet_seeman]
- . LS: is wondering whether we sould use the same semantics as IndieUI, as sometimes it say IndieUI implies certain aria functions.
- 14:09:08 [Lisa_Seeman]
- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, create minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
- 14:09:40 [Lisa_Seeman]
- ayelet can you send the minites to the list? http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-minutes.html
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- zakim, please part
- 14:09:51 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- 14:09:56 [Lisa_Seeman]
- rrsagent, please part
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: lisa gap anlaisis for malit modal [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-irc#T13-25-36
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- ACTION: lisa gap anlaisis for secirty [2]
- 14:09:56 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-irc#T13-30-37