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13:10:12 <kaz> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Johannes_Hund, Kazuaki_Nimura, Kazuo_Kajimoto, Oliver_Pfaff, Taki_Kamiya, Yingying_Chen
13:10:45 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Sep/0018.html
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13:13:11 <kaz> Present+ Victor_Charpenay
13:13:21 <jhund> scribenick: vcharpenay
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13:13:37 <jhund> Present+ Johannes_Hund
13:14:23 <vcharpenay> agenda is as announced by Johannes
13:14:57 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Sep/0018.html
13:15:07 <vcharpenay> First topic: Security/privacy
13:16:03 <kaz> i/First topic:/topic: security & privacy  "Requirements shopping" for the home automation use case (Oliver)/
13:16:19 <vcharpenay> Oliver: security & privacy requirements on a Wiki page
13:17:06 <kaz> i|Oliver:|-> http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Security%26Privacy_Requirements Security&Privacy Requirements wiki|
13:17:11 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:19:07 <vcharpenay> everyone is invited to add their own UCs on this page. Example now of a Home Automation System
13:23:12 <vcharpenay> Confidential data (likely yes, ex of BMW requesting services in the cloud)? -> in the corresponding row "Yes: TODO:... deployment..."
13:25:02 <vcharpenay> Auth needed? (same answer, often coupled with confidentiality) -> idem
13:26:04 <vcharpenay> Credentials ? (shared keys hard to have., so likely credential mechanism) -> "Yes"
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13:27:13 <vcharpenay> IDs?
13:27:55 <vcharpenay> Johannes: in case home owners wants to grant access to others
13:28:47 <vcharpenay> Oliver: -> "Yes but depends..."
13:32:10 <vcharpenay> Authorization enforcement (e.g. near field maybe not)? -> "Depends on network characteristics"
13:33:59 <vcharpenay> Auth mgt ()? ->
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13:34:28 <vcharpenay> "Yes, starts with owner can do all..."
13:37:39 <vcharpenay> SSO (hard in IoT since originatley a human-centric notion)? -> "Yes for humans, TODO for devices"
13:38:42 <vcharpenay> Johannes: if someone tries to sign in with their Google account, is it related to SSO?
13:40:19 <vcharpenay> Oliver: SSO defines authorities. May say there is no external authority other than me
13:42:46 <vcharpenay> (question from Michael. Answer from Oliver: should distinguish industrial UCs and consumer UCs)
13:44:43 <jhund> s/question from Michael/could OAuth be used for SSO?/
13:45:04 <kaz> Present+ Joel_Vogt, Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:45:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:45:14 <vcharpenay> Rate limitation (DOS attacks are unlikely inside someone's place)? -> "Probably yes but for portals"
13:46:27 <vcharpenay> Intrusion detection (ex. of SQL injections)?
13:46:54 <vcharpenay> Johannes: maybe not now. Not a big issue
13:48:48 <vcharpenay> Info self-determination (ex. of healthcare)?
13:49:00 <kaz> Present+ Frank_Reusch
13:49:47 <vcharpenay> Michael: 2 things: personal data in the sense it refers to one identified person vs. personal data that should be owned/managed by the id. person
13:50:01 <vcharpenay> Oliver: dealing with the second point now
13:50:51 <vcharpenay> -> "Yes, discuss how personal the info is"
13:52:11 <vcharpenay> Behavior vs. body -> body-related info in Hoöe automation?
13:52:32 <vcharpenay> Home*
13:52:33 <vcharpenay> Johannes: can happen
13:53:06 <vcharpenay> Anonymity? -> "Yes"
13:53:27 <vcharpenay> Done for the Home Automation UC
13:53:49 <vcharpenay> (all aspects reviewed)
13:56:15 <vcharpenay> TD should identify more UCs so that it could be discussed again, following the methodology presented here
13:57:10 <vcharpenay> next topic: Plugfest implementations (raise of hands, matchmaking)
13:57:27 <kaz> s/next topic:/topic:/
13:57:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:58:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_29-30_October_2015,_Sapporo,_Japan#Demos_and_Plugfest Demo wiki
13:59:30 <vcharpenay> Johannes: logistics -> netword, hardware needed?
14:00:15 <vcharpenay> confusion about deadlines
14:00:26 <vcharpenay> Kaz: next tuesday, final deadline
14:00:54 <kaz> s/netword/network/
14:02:51 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2015JulSep/0068.html Reminder for Demo setting (Member-only)
14:03:14 <vcharpenay> ex. of Dave's req: wired net with fixed IPs (no DHCP)
14:03:30 <vcharpenay> other reqs like this?
14:03:43 <vcharpenay> e.g. IPv6
14:06:06 <vcharpenay> the wiki page should be used for that.
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14:09:39 <vcharpenay_> Michael: I hope I will
14:09:50 <vcharpenay_> Johannes: others?
14:10:03 <vcharpenay_> seems not.
14:10:48 <vcharpenay_> next topic: Review of the Guidelines for interactions and mappings
14:11:01 <vcharpenay_> (even though there are only 2 potential participants)
14:11:12 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest Plugfest guideline
14:12:24 <vcharpenay_> interaction patterns: REST-compliant mapping of TD
14:12:45 <vcharpenay_> (be the protocol CoAP, HTTP or others)
14:13:48 <vcharpenay_> then concrete mappings : HTTP, WebSocket
14:14:54 <vcharpenay_> Michael: HTTP2 web push to replace an ad-hoc Observe resource (Observe being integrated into CoAp).
14:15:04 <vcharpenay_> s/CoAp/CoAP
14:17:06 <vcharpenay_> Johannes: following a discussion with M. Kovatsch -> for HTTP1.1, use WebSocket instead
14:17:58 <vcharpenay_> Back to the github page: Why? So that we can collaboratively design mappings.
14:18:44 <vcharpenay_> Sebastian made an example of a TD (for a LED lamp)
14:19:09 <vcharpenay_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-TD/TD%20Samples/led.jsonld
14:20:13 <vcharpenay_> feedbacks about actions/properties. AP feedbacks now?
14:21:41 <vcharpenay_> Michael: composed property changes-> actions. Sophisticated light control -> actions more handy.
14:22:38 <vcharpenay_> property have simple getters/setters. Actions have more complex handlers
14:23:14 <vcharpenay_> (critical when designing Hypermedia-driven apps)
14:24:18 <vcharpenay_> Kajimoto: some actions are clearly actions, some props clearly props. But boundaries are fuzzy
14:25:47 <vcharpenay_> (switched the topic some lines ago: Discussion on guidelines for the modeling of Things (e.g. when to use a property and when to use an action))
14:29:48 <vcharpenay_> Michael: working on a TD design involving also events. Should share it in the group.
14:31:32 <vcharpenay_> actions are resources on their own, they can be cancelled, edited. They are created whenever an action is called.
14:31:50 <vcharpenay_> Johannes: EVRYTHNG has a very similar model
14:33:29 <vcharpenay_> Time is over. If any other points to raise -> mailing-list.
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14:34:55 <kaz> Meeting: Web of Things IG - TF-AP
14:34:59 <kaz> Chair: Johannes
14:35:03 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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14:36:11 <kaz> i/I hope I will/scribenick: vcharpenay_/
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