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15:49:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:49:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:49:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:49:50 <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2015
15:49:57 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:49:57 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:49:57 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:49:57 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:49:58 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:50:00 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:50:02 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:50:05 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:50:07 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:50:10 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:50:13 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:57:57 <janina>  present+ janina
15:58:07 <janina> zakim, next item
15:58:07 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:58:16 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:58:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:58:22 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:58:22 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:58:22 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:58:22 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:58:23 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:58:25 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:58:27 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:58:30 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:58:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:58:35 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:58:38 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:58:43 <janina>  zakim, next item
15:58:43 <Zakim> agendum 11 was just opened, janina
15:58:56 <janina> zakim, clost this item
15:58:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clost this item', janina
15:59:06 <janina> zakim close this item
15:59:19 <janina> agenda?
15:59:29 <janina> zakim, next item
15:59:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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16:02:53 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:03:18 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
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16:04:46 <Jemma> present+ JemmaJaeunKU
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16:05:49 <fesch> present+ fesch
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16:07:34 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
16:07:45 <Ryladog> ScribeNick: Ryladog
16:07:57 <Ryladog> Meeting: PF Teleconference
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16:09:02 <JF> Present+ JF
16:09:35 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Sep/0029.html
16:09:39 <Ryladog> GZ: I was at JTC 1 WG 8 we decided we will go for 2 parts of URC standards. Both would be restful. One for target. According to user preference
16:10:12 <Ryladog> GZ; WG 6 which is for Accessibility. I should send a list of standards that they have here.
16:10:39 <Ryladog> GZ: Janina is also on the WG. If want you can be on the National Dellegatoion
16:11:08 <Ryladog> KHS: Glad to see it is not dead
16:11:18 <Ryladog> JS: It was a very lively meeting
16:11:31 <Ryladog> GZ: We got the time we needed'
16:11:41 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:11:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:12:13 <Ryladog> MC: #1689 on Janina
16:12:25 <Ryladog> JS: I did not figure that out. Close it.
16:12:27 <MichaelC> close action-1689
16:12:27 <trackbot> Closed action-1689.
16:12:50 <Ryladog> MC: #1685 on Janina
16:13:09 <Ryladog> JS: Close it, it was realted to the new charter
16:13:41 <Ryladog> MC: We had a review request on this as per chnarter dependencies. We need to reply and say we have no comments if we dont
16:13:51 <Ryladog> JS: Give me another week
16:14:08 <MichaelC> action-1685 due 1 week
16:14:08 <trackbot> Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-09-16.
16:14:09 <Ryladog> MC: We have probablypassed
16:14:20 <Ryladog> MC: #1654 on GZ
16:14:34 <Ryladog> GZ: Give me 1 more week please
16:14:38 <MichaelC> action-1654 due 1 week
16:14:38 <trackbot> Set action-1654 Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ due date to 2015-09-16.
16:15:00 <Ryladog> MC: #1631 on Shane
16:15:11 <Ryladog> MC: #1615 on Janina
16:15:19 <MichaelC> action-1615 due 1 week
16:15:19 <trackbot> Set action-1615 Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ due date to 2015-09-16.
16:15:20 <Ryladog> JS: Give me 1 week
16:15:38 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:15:38 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:16:03 <Ryladog> MC: No new publication
16:16:09 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/emma20/ EMMA: Extensible MultiModal Annotation markup language Version 2.0
16:16:13 <Ryladog> MC: We should look at EMMA
16:16:40 <Ryladog> MC: We had a geat deal of interest in the 1.0 version. We worked with them on it
16:17:53 <Ryladog> MC: we thought we were looking at this to solve some prroblems with ARIA, but I dont know how that went. This is a Debbie D thing. I am not worried, but I thinkwe should at least look at this
16:18:03 <Ryladog> JS: Lets ask her to introduce it to us
16:18:20 <MichaelC> action: janina to look at EMMA 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-emma20-20150908/ - due 2 weeks
16:18:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1722 - Look at emma 2.0 http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-emma20-20150908/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-09-23].
16:18:23 <Ryladog> JS: Give me two weeks to look through it
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16:19:13 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-html-aria-20150902/ ARIA in HTML
16:19:20 <Ryladog> MC: ARIA in HTML was published a week ago. Are we going to look at it or should the Task Force do it?
16:20:05 <Ryladog> JS: We should review but we will bring it up on the Thursday call. It will get published almost everyy two weeks I think. It is in the new automated cue
16:20:30 <Ryladog> MC: It is intended to become a W3C Recommendation
16:20:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich+Schwerdtfeger
16:20:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:20:56 <Ryladog> JS: It is going to be a W3C Recommendation
16:21:52 <Ryladog> MC: It is ridiculous that people cant understand the spec. It looks like it is not our call - but there is a real problem here
16:22:14 <Ryladog> JS: The short name is even more confusing
16:22:32 <Ryladog> MC: I think we may have reeal probllems down the road because of this
16:22:55 <Ryladog> JS: I think the doc that we can have the most impact on is the Using ARIA in doc
16:23:07 <Ryladog> MC: This is getting old
16:23:17 <Ryladog> JS: I will take on mentioning this
16:23:43 <Ryladog> MC: It looks like HTML 5.1 has been published now. Actually every 3 days
16:24:08 <Ryladog> MC: The redesign of the TR is - nothing else for TR
16:24:44 <Ryladog> RS: what do you mean published
16:24:50 <Ryladog> JS: Working Draft
16:25:04 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
16:25:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/09-pf-minutes.html Ryladog
16:25:22 <fesch> q+
16:25:42 <Ryladog> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:25:42 <Zakim> Present: Janina, JemmaJaeunKu, fesch, MichaelC, Cynthia, Joanmarie_Diggs, John_Foliot, JF, Katie, Haritos-Shea, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Rich+Schwerdtfeger
16:26:38 <Ryladog> JS: Rich I think we need to do a run through on this doc. I will bring it up on the Thurs call
16:27:06 <janina> q?
16:27:31 <Ryladog> RS: I got it
16:27:31 <janina> ack f
16:27:49 <Ryladog> Fred: Remind folks to talk about CSS Grid Layout
16:28:03 <Ryladog> JS: Yes wwe should add a topic for later on this
16:28:20 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:28:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:28:34 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/stroke-fonts/ Stroke Fonts Community Group
16:29:14 <Ryladog> MC: 2 CG for is Stroke Fonts - wants to design a whole new kind of font - to style the pen movement. But does not hae a chair. Think it is dea
16:29:26 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/linkedculture/ Exposing and Linking Cultural Heritage data Community Group
16:29:50 <Ryladog> MC: Next is Exposingg and Linking Cultural Hertage group - which looks completely dead
16:30:26 <janina> topic: css grid
16:31:00 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/ CSS Grid Layout Module Level 1
16:31:02 <MichaelC> q+
16:31:20 <Ryladog> Fred: I notice that there was a WD from CSS it was the Grid alyout. I emailed Beau Campbell - I think they are NOT thinking about it. The doc desnt mention focus. S
16:31:27 <janina> q?
16:31:32 <janina> ack m
16:31:33 <MichaelC> -> http://gridstylesheets.org/ Grid Style Sheets
16:31:51 <Ryladog> Fred: It a[appears to be completely independent of the DOM order
16:32:05 <Ryladog> Fred: there fore their are concerns
16:32:05 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0285.html
16:32:39 <janina> q?
16:32:45 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0180.html
16:32:54 <joanie> q+
16:33:04 <janina> ack j
16:33:09 <Ryladog> MC: Non of us seem to know of any idea of what to do about it. this might be a good TPAC for Reading Order and Navigation Order are something we neeed to help them get a handle on
16:33:59 <Ryladog> Joannie: She is a chair of CSS - put a conformance requirement on authoring tools...(see link fro full text)...
16:34:44 <Ryladog> Joannie: First URL if you click the stored link...
16:34:55 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-minutes#item07 Previous PF discussion on Grid Style Sheets
16:35:13 <Ryladog> Joannie: This BTW is why I suggested you connect with Baeu - that needs to be renewed
16:35:23 <janina> q?
16:35:25 <joanie> s/Baeu/Bo/
16:35:26 <fesch> q+
16:35:59 <fesch> ack me
16:36:04 <Ryladog> Fred: My concern is they dont seem to do anything about it
16:36:37 <Ryladog> JS; It seems like a brraod statement without technical support - that doesnt seem reliable'
16:36:46 <Ryladog> Joannie: Read email...
16:37:17 <JF> Q+ to suggest that Notepad is an authoring tool...
16:37:42 <Ryladog> Joannie: they talk about Authoring Tools - she suggests seems to ask the tools to fix the problems - if it just works, I think that is an awesome solutions
16:38:06 <janina> ack jf
16:38:06 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to suggest that Notepad is an authoring tool...
16:38:08 <Ryladog> Joannie: That is a win if it is technically best
16:38:19 <Ryladog> KHS: we always want the tools to do it
16:38:41 <Ryladog> JF: I am 100% on board with the spirit. But Notepd is also an authoring tool
16:39:10 <Ryladog> JF: I agree with anything a tooling can do...I would support that...
16:39:51 <janina> q?
16:40:06 <Ryladog> JF; I they are correct it is only half the solution. Authoringguidance is an important peice of that. I think we need to follow through on more than just let the tool fix it.
16:40:18 <Ryladog> JS: What are our next steps here then?
16:40:36 <MichaelC> q+
16:40:43 <Ryladog> JS: Send to ATAG or WCAG - or do we wnat to see if we want to directly do here
16:41:25 <Ryladog> JF: We should do all of the above WCAG and ATAG if exists and follow up with CSS WG at TPAC. So maybe their documentation can identify concerns
16:41:43 <janina> q?
16:41:51 <janina> ack m
16:42:54 <Ryladog> MC: On the WCAG content guidance if there are content patters then WCA techniques might be the ppllace for it. If we dicver that their is a need for WCAG SC then we should put it on their radar. They may want an additional TF
16:43:20 <janina> q?
16:43:31 <Ryladog> MC: Addititonal Extension to solve some of this poblem. It i at lest something wwe can be discussing thos things
16:43:44 <Ryladog> CS: That solve Focus order problems
16:44:15 <Ryladog> JS: the potential to solve Focus Order is certaininly somethings. Do we have something for REadingg Order
16:44:24 <janina> q?
16:44:28 <Ryladog> MC: We can follow 12 year old ideas
16:44:47 <Ryladog> FRed: I think in CSS4 fornaviagtiona nd directions
16:45:04 <janina> q?
16:45:14 <Ryladog> CS: that is still navigationa nd not reading. Some AT use hueristics for that and other dont
16:45:30 <joanie> q+
16:45:33 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Sep/0022.html
16:45:39 <joanie> q-
16:45:39 <Ryladog> JS: I am not sure what out next stps are. There was talkk on the list
16:46:03 <Ryladog> JS: We need to bring this back and possible at TPAC
16:46:05 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:46:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:46:33 <Ryladog> zakim, take up item 5
16:46:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below via janina]
16:46:40 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:46:40 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, Ryladog
16:46:58 <Ryladog> zakim, close this item
16:46:59 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:47:00 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:47:00 <Zakim> 6. TPAC 2013 Update [from See Below via janina]
16:47:10 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:47:10 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:47:39 <Ryladog> JS: They are closin the hotel you can no longer book the entire week there
16:48:07 <Ryladog> JS: It looks like they dont have one you may want to look sooner rather
16:49:25 <Ryladog> JS: There is a skiing destination
16:51:43 <Ryladog> JS: Who do we want to have time with CSS is one
16:52:13 <Ryladog> JS: Lets start naming groups and topics we want to dicsuss with them
16:52:14 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC Schedule
16:52:42 <Ryladog> JS: APA is THurs Fri, ARIA is Mon Tues
16:53:23 <janina> q?
16:53:54 <Ryladog> MC: Web Application Security about CAPTHA and Authentication
16:54:42 <Ryladog> MC: HTML WG. Topics, Extension specifications and what happens when they wine down to the HTML A11Y Task force next steps
16:54:52 <Ryladog> JS: Timed Text for transcripts
16:55:26 <Ryladog> JF: also watching the Second Screen WG timpacts it might have on Accessibility models
16:55:43 <Ryladog> JS: Yes we want to see some of their Use Cases
16:56:07 <Ryladog> JS: Yes we could have a number of things we want to see in their specs
16:56:36 <Ryladog> JF: the germ is still Cas =- they like to work with us - keeping that active and freindly
16:57:01 <Ryladog> MC: I am bot sure that Cas is the Core - I think it os FRancios
16:57:29 <Ryladog> MC: FRancios is less familair with A11Y
16:57:51 <Ryladog> JS: Then our next step is we want to talk about use cases
16:58:02 <MichaelC> chair: Anssi Kostiainen
16:58:27 <MichaelC> staff contact: Francois Daoust
16:58:37 <Ryladog> LS: I cannot make it to Japan but several COGA folks will on WEb Security and Web Payments - we want folks to knwo that their is a ppaer beig written
16:58:48 <MichaelC> chair: Janina_Sajka
16:58:54 <MichaelC> chair is Anssi Kostiainen
16:59:19 <JF> s/ppaer beig/paper being
16:59:27 <Ryladog> JS: They web payments are asking for close involvment - we talked about a PAUR to do this for them
16:59:57 <Ryladog> JS: We want to ensure COGArequirements are written into the PAUR
17:00:11 <Ryladog> MC: Second Screen - Use Cases
17:00:54 <Ryladog> JS: Timed Text WG - topic
17:01:12 <Ryladog> JS: WoT - Use Cases or REequirents
17:01:31 <Ryladog> JF: Ther was an interesting discussions at M-Enablinhg
17:01:46 <Ryladog> JS: They know can you bring me some specifics
17:02:37 <Ryladog> KHS: They are planning on having a Demo - we should look at that
17:03:17 <Ryladog> JS: We must remember that it is not a UI - so we need specific things for infrastrucre
17:03:28 <Ryladog> MC: We b Real time communicatopns
17:03:40 <Ryladog> JS: IOur interest are going to be inn th UI
17:04:34 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:14:42 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
18:14:42 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:15:54 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: PF Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 16 September at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439 Passwd pfwg
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