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12:50:54 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:50:54 <trackbot> Date: 26 August 2015
12:51:10 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:51:15 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Aug/0022.html
12:51:53 <Steven> Regrets: Philip
13:03:06 <ebruchez> I am in
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13:10:32 <Steven> Topic: Call next week [regrets from Steven]
13:10:32 <Steven> [No link]
13:10:59 <Steven> Steven: I am travelling next week, so I propose to skip a week
13:11:03 <Steven> Erik: Sure
13:11:11 <Steven> Topic: Editing
13:11:11 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Jul/0005.html
13:11:23 <Steven> Steven: I have started editing.
13:12:24 <Steven> ... I have still some comments about error handling, but I will collect those together, so we can discuss them in one go.
13:12:34 <Steven> Topic: public-xformsusers
13:12:34 <Steven> [No link]
13:13:41 <Steven> Steven: I have corresponded with Mark Seaborne, he is working on the first article for the group. He may join the call one week, to chat with us. He's writing an article about the available implementations for the wiki, and I'll get him to forward it to us before he posts.
13:13:59 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2023: Check compatibility problems with
13:13:59 <Steven> seconds-from-datetime and one other
13:13:59 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Aug/0021.html
13:14:25 <Steven> Erik: We had discussed this earlier, I had an action item.
13:14:50 <Steven> ... We have a clash with a function from XPath 2.
13:19:06 <Steven> Steven: So your suggesting that in XForms 2, we have to say xf:seconds-from-dateTime, rather than just seconds-from-dateTime?
13:19:13 <Steven> s/your/you're/
13:21:58 <Steven> Steven: It's annoying.
13:24:15 <Steven> Erik: XForms 1.1 doesn't say anything explciit about namespacing functions
13:24:20 <Steven> a/ii/i
13:24:26 <Steven> s/ii/i
13:24:51 <Steven> Erik: I don't know what other implementations do.
13:25:14 <Steven> ... it would be annoying with having to prefix all functions.
13:26:05 <Steven> Steven: Should we produce a renamed version of this functions, so the user isn't forced to be confronted with this?
13:26:16 <Steven> Erik: secondsFromEpoch
13:26:25 <Steven> ... makes the purpose clearer
13:27:07 <Steven> Steven: Sounds better.
13:28:32 <Steven> Erik: We say that in XPath 2 mode, a new function name is available.
13:28:43 <Steven> ... but that you can also namespace the old name.
13:30:28 <Steven> Steven: The real problem is interoperability. An XForms 1.1 won't work the same on an XForms 2.0 processor unless you explicitely say you are using XPath 1.0 mode.
13:30:37 <Steven> Erik: That's what we agreed on.
13:31:30 <Steven> Erik: Default XPath level depends on the XForms conformance level.
13:31:55 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_xpath-version_attribute
13:32:40 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_model_Element
13:34:57 <Steven> Erik: We don't mandate a level by default
13:35:31 <Steven> ... we need to fix https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_xpath-version_attribute to talk about the XForms version rather than the conformance level.
13:36:54 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to fix xpath-version attribute to talk about XForms version, and not conformance level
13:36:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2024 - Fix xpath-version attribute to talk about xforms version, and not conformance level [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-09-02].
13:37:43 <Steven> Erik: I suggest adding 1.1 as well as 1,.0 and 2.0 when discussing @version on model. I'll do it now.
13:37:50 <Steven> s/,././
13:38:12 <Steven> Steven: Shal we add secondsFrom Epoch?
13:38:20 <Steven> s/Shal/Shall/
13:38:25 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:38:28 <Steven> Alain: Yes.
13:38:49 <Steven> Erik: We need to explain the naming in the different modes as well.
13:40:04 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to deal with the naming over XPath versions
13:40:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2025 - Deal with the naming over xpath versions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-09-02].
13:40:44 <Steven> ACTION: Erik add secondsFromEpoch function
13:40:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2026 - Add secondsfromepoch function [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-09-02].
13:41:44 <Steven> Steven: Now the adjust-dateTime-to-timezone() fucntion
13:42:00 <Steven> Erik: This one is not so different.
13:42:39 <Steven> ... they are conceptually closer but with different parameters. Even more confusing in a way.
13:42:59 <Steven> ... I need to figure it out offline.
13:43:16 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to decide how to deal with adjust-dateTime-to-timezone() clash.
13:43:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2027 - Decide how to deal with adjust-datetime-to-timezone() clash. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-09-02].
13:43:30 <Steven> Steven: And then ## replace() and matches()
13:45:52 <Steven> Steven: If there are no backward-compatibility issues, then I agree, remove them.
13:48:18 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to remove "4.1.7 The matches() Function" and "4.3.5 The replace()
13:48:18 <Steven> Function" from Expressions module
13:48:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2028 - Remove "4.1.7 the matches() function" and "4.3.5 the replace() [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-09-02].
13:48:52 <Steven> Topic: Use of numeric in function parameters
13:48:52 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Aug/0020.html
13:49:30 <Steven> Erik: Done the first part.
13:52:23 <Steven> Steven: Does XPath 2 have the numeric type?
13:52:29 <Steven> Erik: Yes
13:52:45 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/#mapping
13:55:57 <Steven> Steven: It seems to say it only works on operators
13:56:08 <liam> [ XPath 3.1 has xs:numeric as a single supertype ]
13:59:07 <Steven> Steven: "A value of type xs:decimal (or any type derived by restriction from xs:decimal) can be promoted to either of the types xs:float or xs:double. The result of this promotion is created by casting the original value to the required type. This kind of promotion may cause loss of precision."
13:59:29 <Steven> Steven: So we should use double in the signature
13:59:33 <nvdbleek> sorry, completely forgot that it was already 3PM CET
13:59:53 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to check that integer promotes successfully to double
13:59:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2029 - Check that integer promotes successfully to double [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-09-02].
14:00:32 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:01:15 <Steven> Steven: No call next week. Next call 9 September at the same time as today, 9:00 Boston.
14:01:20 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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14:04:14 <Steven> Present: Steven, Erik, Alain
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14:05:43 <Steven> Regrets: Philip, Nick
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