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14:28:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:28:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:28:43 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:28:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:28:44 <trackbot> Date: 25 August 2015
14:28:49 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:28:49 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:29:00 <Kenny> agenda+ Announcements
14:29:09 <Kenny> agenda+ Techniques and understanding update
14:29:26 <Kenny> agenda+  Proposal for Techniques
14:29:52 <Kenny> agenda+  Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/
14:31:03 <Kenny> regrets+ Kathy_Wahlbin, Bailey_Bruce
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14:51:04 <Joshue> trackbot, start meeting
14:51:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:51:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:51:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:51:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:51:09 <trackbot> Date: 25 August 2015
14:54:35 <AWK> ZAkim, agenda?
14:54:35 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:54:37 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
14:54:37 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
14:54:37 <Zakim> 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
14:54:37 <Zakim> 4. Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
14:54:51 <AWK> chair: AWK
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14:56:17 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
14:56:17 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:56:18 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
14:56:18 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
14:56:18 <Zakim> 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
14:56:19 <Zakim> 4. Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
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15:00:50 <marcjohlic> present+ marcjohlic
15:01:18 <AWK> Agenda+ QuickRef & update
15:02:41 <David> David has joined #wai-wcag
15:02:42 <AWK> regrets+ Kathy Wahlbin, Bruce Bailey, Michael Cooper
15:02:47 <laura> present+ Laura
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15:03:25 <yatil> present+ EricE
15:03:36 <Louis> present+ Louis
15:04:00 <Makoto> present+ Makoto
15:04:09 <AWK> Chair: Josh
15:04:39 <Kenny> present+ Kenny
15:04:51 <Joshue> present+ Joshue
15:04:52 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:07:15 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/results
15:07:30 <Joshue> Scribnick: Adam
15:07:43 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 5
15:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 5. "QuickRef & update" taken up [from AWK]
15:07:59 <David> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/wai-wcag
15:09:02 <AWK> present+ AWK
15:09:09 <Mike_Elledge> Present+ Mike Elledge
15:09:11 <adam_solomon> present+ adam_solomon
15:09:14 <David> Present+ David MacDonald
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15:09:49 <yatil> s/id Mac/id_Mac/
15:10:03 <Wayne> present + Wayne Dick
15:10:18 <yatil> s/t + Wayne D/t+ Wayne_D
15:10:19 <MoeKraft> present + MoeKraft
15:10:22 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 5
15:10:22 <Joshue> zakim, take up item five
15:10:23 <Zakim> agendum 5. "QuickRef & update" taken up [from AWK]
15:10:24 <Zakim> 'five' does not match any agenda item, Joshue
15:10:58 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
15:11:05 <AWK> Zakim, who is here?
15:11:05 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I don't know what conference this is
15:11:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see MoeKraft, Wayne, Mike_Elledge, Louis, David, Makoto, marcjohlic, adam_solomon, AWK, Joshue, laura, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
15:11:17 <Wayne> zakim, mute me
15:11:17 <Zakim> sorry, Wayne, I don't know what conference this is
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15:12:17 <adam_solomon> Topic: Quick Reference
15:12:53 <yatil> http://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issue/
15:13:16 <adam_solomon> eric: not much to see right now, anyone can leave a note as an issue on github
15:13:17 <AWK> Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
15:13:17 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_WCAG' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:14:39 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:15:09 <adam_solomon> eric: right now gathering data,nothing major, but people can leave comments
15:15:14 <AWK> ack mike
15:15:45 <David> q+
15:15:46 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:15:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:15:48 <adam_solomon> elledge: clicked on link and got page not found
15:15:56 <yatil> https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issues/
15:15:57 <adam_solomon> link fixed
15:16:07 <AWK> ack d
15:16:17 <yatil> s|Joshuehttps://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issues/||
15:16:36 <marcjohlic> q+
15:16:53 <adam_solomon> david: perhaps have clear all (filters) button maybe next to video
15:17:27 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
15:17:33 <adam_solomon> eric: good request
15:17:43 <MoeKraft> q+
15:17:46 <AWK> Quickref is shown at https://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
15:18:00 <AWK> Zakim, who is here?
15:18:00 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I don't know what conference this is
15:18:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see jamesn, MoeKraft, Wayne, Mike_Elledge, Louis, David, Makoto, marcjohlic, adam_solomon, AWK, Joshue, laura, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
15:18:20 <adam_solomon> marc: forseeable to robust links not working
15:18:28 <adam_solomon> eric: will be reconnected
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15:18:54 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:18:54 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:18:56 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
15:18:56 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
15:18:56 <Zakim> 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
15:18:56 <Zakim> 4. Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
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15:18:57 <Zakim> 5. QuickRef & update [from AWK]
15:19:04 <AWK> ack mar
15:19:07 <AWK> ack moe
15:19:31 <adam_solomon> moe: hold off on commenting on styling issues in the meantime?
15:19:45 <adam_solomon> eric: right
15:19:55 <AWK> ZAkim, take up item 1
15:19:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements" taken up [from Kenny]
15:20:05 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:20:05 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:20:06 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
15:20:06 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
15:20:06 <Zakim> 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
15:20:07 <Zakim> 4. Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
15:20:07 <Zakim> 5. QuickRef & update [from AWK]
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15:21:37 <adam_solomon> Topic: Announcements
15:22:36 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:22:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
15:22:42 <Wayne> q+
15:22:53 <adam_solomon> awk: kicking off low vision task force, collecting participants, choose time for meetings, in the next week set first meeting time, massive progress;check out the tf if you have interest or if you know someone, can bring them in as invited experts
15:22:53 <AWK> ack wa
15:23:06 <adam_solomon> wayne: am i on task force?
15:23:08 <adam_solomon> awk: yes
15:24:48 <adam_solomon> awk: right now 10-15 have expressed interest, opthamologist and others wil be on board
15:24:53 <AWK> ZAkim, take up item 2
15:24:53 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Techniques and understanding update" taken up [from Kenny]
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15:25:07 <adam_solomon> Topic: Techniques and understanding update
15:27:30 <MoeKraft> +1
15:27:35 <adam_solomon> awk: put it out for comment but very few changes, last six months have been consumed with charter discussion and other admin things, nevertheless there are some changes to the docs, and also important to update the timestamp
15:28:01 <adam_solomon> marc: didn't see call for review
15:28:34 <David> I don't remember seeing it either
15:28:39 <adam_solomon> awk: have to check
15:28:55 <laura> I didn’t see it either.
15:29:56 <Wayne> +1
15:30:02 <laura> +1
15:30:04 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:30:08 <adam_solomon> awk: anyone object to sending out update which is light?
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15:30:29 <adam_solomon> awk: no objections
15:30:31 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 3
15:30:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Proposal for Techniques" taken up [from Kenny]
15:30:43 <adam_solomon> Topic: Proposal for Techniques
15:34:50 <David> +1
15:34:56 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:35:00 <adam_solomon> awk: do we  need techniques task force? reality is that we have alot of tfs and spread thin, tried a few things, expect in the next 6 months there will be a number of techniques from some tfs like mobile, alot out there which are either on a list or as future techs in the tech document; create public list of all proposed techs ; get more invlolvement from outside the group, including other w3c groups ; github list?
15:35:13 <Wayne> + 1
15:35:14 <laura> +1
15:36:08 <adam_solomon> wayne: watch what comes in
15:36:28 <adam_solomon> awk: have someone to monitor according to criteria would be good
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15:36:40 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
15:37:01 <Wayne> +1
15:37:04 <adam_solomon> will it be different from comment form?
15:38:24 <adam_solomon> awk: won't be worse, though techs never came from comment form, but it might be different in that request for techniques will be in more relevant location
15:41:25 <adam_solomon> awk: technique would be written in github ; example: using alt on images - create technique stub - writing html into github - we can import to xml, we can have templated instructions as well
15:42:48 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 4
15:42:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Survey on  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/" taken up [from Kenny]
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15:44:33 <adam_solomon> Topic: Survey Items 2,3
15:44:51 <AWK> s/Topic/TOPIC
15:45:11 <adam_solomon> RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
15:45:35 <Joshue> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:45:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
15:45:43 <adam_solomon> TOPIC: Item1 (issue 113)
15:48:39 <adam_solomon> james: adding extra nesting makes it worse - why do it?
15:49:23 <adam_solomon> james: role makes it more specific
15:49:39 <adam_solomon> james: dont need form element to make it work
15:51:35 <yatil_> yatil_ has joined #wai-wcag
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15:55:50 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Leave open
15:56:08 <Mike_Elledge> !
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15:56:41 <AWK> TOPIC: 4. Issue 105: 1.2.2 and 1.2.4 Non-Vocal Music Captioning Requirements
15:56:55 <AWK> Scribe: adam_solomon_
15:57:56 <David> Form fields don't show up in landmark navigation in JAWS or NVDA
15:59:32 <adam_solomon_> awk: 2 techniques that need to be created, suggested changes seem to be good, no real objections, these are being changed in the understanding docs, Laura: can you make the edits - any other concerns?
15:59:48 <laura> Yes
15:59:58 <adam_solomon_> RESOLUTION: accepted as amended
16:00:49 <adam_solomon_> TOPIC: Issue 71: C31:Using percent for font sizes
16:02:27 <adam_solomon_> awk: bruces comment can be easily changed
16:02:55 <adam_solomon_> james: people will see this as checklist and exclusive, prefer it as before if we wont be complete about it
16:02:59 <Mike_Elledge> q+
16:04:07 <adam_solomon_> elledge: can add to procedure what james is suggesting, not meant to be exclusive
16:04:26 <adam_solomon_> james: browser support even for px
16:04:44 <adam_solomon_> awk: zoom presents problem for horizontal scroll
16:05:05 <adam_solomon_> james: firefox for instance even with text scale will work well
16:06:10 <adam_solomon_> james: is there any unit of text scaling which doesn't work in modern browsers? should be investigated
16:06:20 <adam_solomon_> awk: does that mean remove techniques?
16:07:25 <adam_solomon_> james: there are ways to break text zoom but no by specifying font size
16:07:39 <AWK> ack m
16:08:37 <adam_solomon_> are we sure that specifying in pt or px is not really a problem?
16:10:39 <adam_solomon_> wayne: will look into this issue
16:10:54 <adam_solomon_> RESOLUTION: leave open pending wayne's action
16:11:00 <AWK> ACTION: Wayne to look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision
16:11:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-09-01].
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16:12:55 <adam_solomon_> awk:wayne can solicit feedback on background color techs to generate comments
16:13:52 <AndroUser> is Josh_no_broadband
16:14:02 <adam_solomon_> awk: everyone: take a look at issues assigned to you on github please
16:14:26 <Mike_Elledge> bye!
16:14:33 <Makoto> bye!
16:14:35 <laura> Bye!
16:14:40 <AWK> trackbot, end meeting
16:14:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:14:40 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:14:45 <AndroUser> And I just get here..
16:14:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:14:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
16:14:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:14:49 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
16:14:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wayne to look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision [1]
16:14:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-11-00