IRC log of wai-wcag on 2015-08-25
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 August 2015
- 14:28:49 [Kenny]
- zakim, agenda?
- 14:28:49 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
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- agenda+ Announcements
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- agenda+ Techniques and understanding update
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- agenda+ Proposal for Techniques
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- agenda+ Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/
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- regrets+ Kathy_Wahlbin, Bailey_Bruce
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 14:51:08 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 14:51:09 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 August 2015
- 14:54:35 [AWK]
- ZAkim, agenda?
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
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- 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
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- 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
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- 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
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- chair: AWK
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- 14:56:17 [Joshue]
- zakim, agenda?
- 14:56:17 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
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- 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
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- 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
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- 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
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- present+ marcjohlic
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- Agenda+ QuickRef & update
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- regrets+ Kathy Wahlbin, Bruce Bailey, Michael Cooper
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- present+ Laura
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- present+ EricE
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- present+ Louis
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- present+ Makoto
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- Chair: Josh
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- present+ Kenny
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- present+ Joshue
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/results
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- Scribnick: Adam
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- Zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5. "QuickRef & update" taken up [from AWK]
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- irc://irc.w3.org:6665/wai-wcag
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- present+ AWK
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- Present+ Mike Elledge
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- present+ adam_solomon
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- Present+ David MacDonald
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- s/id Mac/id_Mac/
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- present + Wayne Dick
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- s/t + Wayne D/t+ Wayne_D
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- present + MoeKraft
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- zakim, take up item 5
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- zakim, take up item five
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- agendum 5. "QuickRef & update" taken up [from AWK]
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- 'five' does not match any agenda item, Joshue
- 15:10:58 [yatil]
- http://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
- 15:11:05 [AWK]
- Zakim, who is here?
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- sorry, AWK, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see MoeKraft, Wayne, Mike_Elledge, Louis, David, Makoto, marcjohlic, adam_solomon, AWK, Joshue, laura, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
- 15:11:17 [Wayne]
- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, Wayne, I don't know what conference this is
- 15:12:04 [jamesn]
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- Topic: Quick Reference
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- http://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issue/
- 15:13:16 [adam_solomon]
- eric: not much to see right now, anyone can leave a note as an issue on github
- 15:13:17 [AWK]
- Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
- 15:13:17 [Zakim]
- sorry, AWK, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_WCAG' in progress or scheduled at this time
- 15:14:39 [Mike_Elledge]
- q+
- 15:15:09 [adam_solomon]
- eric: right now gathering data,nothing major, but people can leave comments
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- ack mike
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- q+
- 15:15:46 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
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- elledge: clicked on link and got page not found
- 15:15:56 [yatil]
- https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issues/
- 15:15:57 [adam_solomon]
- link fixed
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- ack d
- 15:16:17 [yatil]
- s|Joshuehttps://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issues/||
- 15:16:36 [marcjohlic]
- q+
- 15:16:53 [adam_solomon]
- david: perhaps have clear all (filters) button maybe next to video
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- present+ JamesNurthen
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- eric: good request
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- q+
- 15:17:46 [AWK]
- Quickref is shown at https://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
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- Zakim, who is here?
- 15:18:00 [Zakim]
- sorry, AWK, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see jamesn, MoeKraft, Wayne, Mike_Elledge, Louis, David, Makoto, marcjohlic, adam_solomon, AWK, Joshue, laura, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
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- marc: forseeable to robust links not working
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- eric: will be reconnected
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- zakim, agenda?
- 15:18:54 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
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- 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
- 15:18:56 [Zakim]
- 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
- 15:18:56 [Zakim]
- 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
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- 5. QuickRef & update [from AWK]
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- ack mar
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- ack moe
- 15:19:31 [adam_solomon]
- moe: hold off on commenting on styling issues in the meantime?
- 15:19:45 [adam_solomon]
- eric: right
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- ZAkim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements" taken up [from Kenny]
- 15:20:05 [AWK]
- Zakim, agenda?
- 15:20:05 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
- 15:20:06 [Zakim]
- 1. Announcements [from Kenny]
- 15:20:06 [Zakim]
- 2. Techniques and understanding update [from Kenny]
- 15:20:06 [Zakim]
- 3. Proposal for Techniques [from Kenny]
- 15:20:07 [Zakim]
- 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/ [from Kenny]
- 15:20:07 [Zakim]
- 5. QuickRef & update [from AWK]
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- Topic: Announcements
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
- 15:22:42 [Wayne]
- q+
- 15:22:53 [adam_solomon]
- awk: kicking off low vision task force, collecting participants, choose time for meetings, in the next week set first meeting time, massive progress;check out the tf if you have interest or if you know someone, can bring them in as invited experts
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- ack wa
- 15:23:06 [adam_solomon]
- wayne: am i on task force?
- 15:23:08 [adam_solomon]
- awk: yes
- 15:24:48 [adam_solomon]
- awk: right now 10-15 have expressed interest, opthamologist and others wil be on board
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- ZAkim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Techniques and understanding update" taken up [from Kenny]
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- Topic: Techniques and understanding update
- 15:27:30 [MoeKraft]
- +1
- 15:27:35 [adam_solomon]
- awk: put it out for comment but very few changes, last six months have been consumed with charter discussion and other admin things, nevertheless there are some changes to the docs, and also important to update the timestamp
- 15:28:01 [adam_solomon]
- marc: didn't see call for review
- 15:28:34 [David]
- I don't remember seeing it either
- 15:28:39 [adam_solomon]
- awk: have to check
- 15:28:55 [laura]
- I didn’t see it either.
- 15:29:56 [Wayne]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
- 15:30:08 [adam_solomon]
- awk: anyone object to sending out update which is light?
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- 15:30:29 [adam_solomon]
- awk: no objections
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- Zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "Proposal for Techniques" taken up [from Kenny]
- 15:30:43 [adam_solomon]
- Topic: Proposal for Techniques
- 15:34:50 [David]
- +1
- 15:34:56 [Mike_Elledge]
- +1
- 15:35:00 [adam_solomon]
- awk: do we need techniques task force? reality is that we have alot of tfs and spread thin, tried a few things, expect in the next 6 months there will be a number of techniques from some tfs like mobile, alot out there which are either on a list or as future techs in the tech document; create public list of all proposed techs ; get more invlolvement from outside the group, including other w3c groups ; github list?
- 15:35:13 [Wayne]
- + 1
- 15:35:14 [laura]
- +1
- 15:36:08 [adam_solomon]
- wayne: watch what comes in
- 15:36:28 [adam_solomon]
- awk: have someone to monitor according to criteria would be good
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- Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
- 15:37:01 [Wayne]
- +1
- 15:37:04 [adam_solomon]
- will it be different from comment form?
- 15:38:24 [adam_solomon]
- awk: won't be worse, though techs never came from comment form, but it might be different in that request for techniques will be in more relevant location
- 15:41:25 [adam_solomon]
- awk: technique would be written in github ; example: using alt on images - create technique stub - writing html into github - we can import to xml, we can have templated instructions as well
- 15:42:48 [AWK]
- Zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20150825/" taken up [from Kenny]
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- Topic: Survey Items 2,3
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- s/Topic/TOPIC
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- RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed
- 15:45:35 [Joshue]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
- 15:45:43 [adam_solomon]
- TOPIC: Item1 (issue 113)
- 15:48:39 [adam_solomon]
- james: adding extra nesting makes it worse - why do it?
- 15:49:23 [adam_solomon]
- james: role makes it more specific
- 15:49:39 [adam_solomon]
- james: dont need form element to make it work
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- RESOLUTION: Leave open
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- !
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- TOPIC: 4. Issue 105: 1.2.2 and 1.2.4 Non-Vocal Music Captioning Requirements
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- Scribe: adam_solomon_
- 15:57:56 [David]
- Form fields don't show up in landmark navigation in JAWS or NVDA
- 15:59:32 [adam_solomon_]
- awk: 2 techniques that need to be created, suggested changes seem to be good, no real objections, these are being changed in the understanding docs, Laura: can you make the edits - any other concerns?
- 15:59:48 [laura]
- Yes
- 15:59:58 [adam_solomon_]
- RESOLUTION: accepted as amended
- 16:00:49 [adam_solomon_]
- TOPIC: Issue 71: C31:Using percent for font sizes
- 16:02:27 [adam_solomon_]
- awk: bruces comment can be easily changed
- 16:02:55 [adam_solomon_]
- james: people will see this as checklist and exclusive, prefer it as before if we wont be complete about it
- 16:02:59 [Mike_Elledge]
- q+
- 16:04:07 [adam_solomon_]
- elledge: can add to procedure what james is suggesting, not meant to be exclusive
- 16:04:26 [adam_solomon_]
- james: browser support even for px
- 16:04:44 [adam_solomon_]
- awk: zoom presents problem for horizontal scroll
- 16:05:05 [adam_solomon_]
- james: firefox for instance even with text scale will work well
- 16:06:10 [adam_solomon_]
- james: is there any unit of text scaling which doesn't work in modern browsers? should be investigated
- 16:06:20 [adam_solomon_]
- awk: does that mean remove techniques?
- 16:07:25 [adam_solomon_]
- james: there are ways to break text zoom but no by specifying font size
- 16:07:39 [AWK]
- ack m
- 16:08:37 [adam_solomon_]
- are we sure that specifying in pt or px is not really a problem?
- 16:10:39 [adam_solomon_]
- wayne: will look into this issue
- 16:10:54 [adam_solomon_]
- RESOLUTION: leave open pending wayne's action
- 16:11:00 [AWK]
- ACTION: Wayne to look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision
- 16:11:00 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-315 - Look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-09-01].
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- awk:wayne can solicit feedback on background color techs to generate comments
- 16:13:52 [AndroUser]
- is Josh_no_broadband
- 16:14:02 [adam_solomon_]
- awk: everyone: take a look at issues assigned to you on github please
- 16:14:26 [Mike_Elledge]
- bye!
- 16:14:33 [Makoto]
- bye!
- 16:14:35 [laura]
- Bye!
- 16:14:40 [AWK]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 16:14:40 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:14:40 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:14:45 [AndroUser]
- And I just get here..
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:14:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:14:49 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:14:49 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
- 16:14:49 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wayne to look into https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/71 to help guide decision [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-11-00