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12:57:34 <tzviya> title DPUB-ARIA TF
12:57:39 <janina> present+ janina
12:57:49 <tzviya> title: DPUB-ARIA TF
12:58:28 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2015Aug/0023.html
12:58:34 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
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13:02:51 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
13:05:12 <mgylling> Present+ Markus
13:11:43 <tzviya> rich: IE may be the issue. It doesn't look like they will make updates to IE11 only to edge.
13:13:14 <tzviya> ...I made the point the publishers are not likely to use polyfills
13:13:37 <tzviya> markus: correct, publishers don't want to have to rely on JS
13:14:20 <tzviya> rich: we need to find out why the browsers that did not support describedat and details are not supporting it
13:15:39 <tzviya> ...Looking at the publishers' reqs, we need to assess whether the existing options support them
13:15:58 <tzviya> rich: we need to get at what the barriers to a solution are
13:18:04 <tzviya> ...example is <details> - it helps with remote file but it does not offer specific information about what is being described, perhaps fixable with a source attribute
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13:23:58 <tzviya> present+ George_Kerscher
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13:25:54 <tzviya> ivan: it sounds like details would be a long-term, not short-term solutions
13:26:07 <tzviya> rich: would a 6-month timeline be feasible?
13:27:19 <tzviya> rich: my understanding is that chrome and blink support details now
13:27:51 <tzviya> ...is it important to have a remote address for desciption?
13:28:20 <tzviya> George: yes, so that it's possible to crowd-source, add tactiles, etc to the same URL
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13:31:32 <MichaelC> meeting: DPUB-ARIA TF
13:36:30 <tzviya> Janina: ultimately, we would prefer that this is supported through APIs
13:37:28 <tzviya> George: we cannot necessarily assume that AT is present. Perhaps someone wants to see this for English as a second language
13:37:39 <tzviya> ...what about web components?
13:38:14 <tzviya> markus: web components also relies on run-time scripting. We should be able to do this in a declaritive way
13:38:46 <tzviya> rich: we have a lot of work to do for web components. It is not even slated until new charters are out.
13:39:31 <tzviya> ...AT test tools cannot walk through web components with a specific plug-in. Much to do over next 2 years
13:39:52 <tzviya> present+ Mia_Lipner
13:47:16 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2015Aug/0004.html
13:48:34 <tzviya> tzviya: let's talk about which terms to add to the DPUB-ARIA vocab
13:48:41 <tzviya> markus: let's include sanders
13:49:28 <tzviya> george: in Diagrammar, it might be useful to have a term to indicate which type of enhancement is used
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13:51:08 <tzviya> ...i see it as a method of automatically selecting types of enhancements (3D printing, bw image, tactile graphics...)
13:51:39 <tzviya> Janina: the work from IndieUI has been put into ARIA charter - could be picked up there
13:51:58 <tzviya> Rich: there should be a TF for ARIA + CSS
13:53:38 <tzviya> Tzviya: in DPUB we keep coming back to personalization, which spans style and a11y
13:54:06 <tzviya> michael: we have scope for ARIA modules. If it's beyond that, we might have trouble
13:56:10 <tzviya> ...it might be a better approach to get APA involved if this isn't ARIA-specific
13:58:27 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Personalization
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