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15:40:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:40:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:40:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:40:19 <trackbot> Date: 12 August 2015
15:40:24 <janina> agenda?
15:40:36 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:40:36 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:42:19 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:42:19 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:42:19 <janina> agenda+ Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy
15:42:19 <janina> agenda+ Draft APA Home Page http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/
15:42:20 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:42:22 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:42:24 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:42:27 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
15:42:29 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:42:32 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:42:34 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:42:37 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:42:39 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:42:42 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:44:00 <janina>  regrets: Shane, Cynthia, Michael, Michiel
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15:59:40 <janina> zakim, next item
15:59:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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16:01:22 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman
16:01:41 <janina> present+ Joanmarie
16:01:45 <fesch> present+ Fred
16:08:54 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:09:04 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:09:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
16:09:30 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:09:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:09:31 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:31 <Zakim> 3. Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy [from janina]
16:09:36 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:09:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
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16:10:45 <fesch> js: are we set for tomorrow?
16:11:12 <fesch> ts: we also have aria/dpub call
16:11:15 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:11:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Draft APA Home Page http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/" taken up [from janina]
16:12:20 <fesch> js: is there feedback on the prototype APA web page?
16:13:12 <fesch> fe: where does the style come from?
16:13:27 <fesch> fe: style looks old
16:13:53 <fesch> ts: WAI doesn't look like this
16:14:52 <fesch> js: no control over style
16:15:26 <fesch> fe: I think the annotation work group looks nicer
16:16:54 <fesch> ts: agrees the WAI page looks dated
16:18:29 <fesch> js: will forward comment on  style
16:19:01 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:19:02 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:19:55 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:19:55 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:19:57 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:19:57 <Zakim> 7. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization [from janina]
16:20:02 <fesch> zakim, take up item 3
16:20:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
16:20:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
16:23:35 <fesch> rs: duplicate charter link/patent policy under join
16:23:44 <fesch> rs: anything on liasons?
16:24:28 <fesch> rs: task forces - I think you should mention who else is on the task force
16:25:47 <fesch> rs: need link for docs
16:25:56 <fesch> js: under current work
16:26:18 <fesch> zakim, take up item 3
16:26:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
16:27:06 <fesch> js: have a compliant on missing decision policy, we have a draft decision policy,
16:28:18 <fesch> js: we have an addition to the decision policy and not close a decision if regular contributors are on vacation...
16:29:18 <fesch> js: also may want to have longer time for feedback - usually 48 hours but can make it longer,  Judy asks us to make the feedback time to a week
16:29:26 <fesch> rs: why do we need a week?
16:30:15 <fesch> js: some argue that we have people all over the world... may need time...
16:30:29 <fesch> rs: a week is too long for everything
16:30:55 <fesch> js: I agree a week is too long for everything
16:32:35 <fesch> rs: maybe for a formal vote - OK, but for day-to-day that is too long, if someone finds an issue in the minutes, then we can take it up
16:33:28 <fesch> rs: don't want to do this for details...
16:33:45 <fesch> js: we decided going forward we will log every deciision
16:34:08 <fesch> s/deciision/decision
16:35:22 <fesch> jd: recording everything may be too much, but we can record that - I already put details in an action
16:35:52 <fesch> rs: I don't want to go through every resolution and paste that on a page
16:36:05 <fesch> jd: I will volunteer for ARIA
16:36:14 <fesch> rs: what about task forces?
16:36:34 <fesch> js: we typically close by logging a resolution
16:36:59 <fesch> js: what if someone can scrape it from the minutes
16:37:21 <fesch> js: it really helps to be systematic about the subject
16:38:08 <fesch> js: If I am consistent on CFC and the subject we can use a scraper to pick that up
16:39:00 <fesch> jd: if we use github to track issues, in my commint message, then it appears in github for you
16:39:29 <fesch> jd: when do we have to state what we are going to do about decisions?
16:40:06 <fesch> js: can 't make a policy until we are chartered and not in August (too many folks on vacation)
16:40:24 <fesch> jd: loves github for keeping track of stuff
16:41:04 <fesch> js: all the time to discuss doesn't count as part of the week, the week starts after a CFC has been put out
16:41:52 <fesch> jd: rich and my concerns are about details from a spec writer
16:42:33 <fesch> js: we may need a yardstick for deciding, in the decision policy
16:43:31 <fesch> jd: devils advocate - maybe we should only do things over email and no meetings
16:43:51 <fesch> js: very few significant decisions where there is not a CFC
16:45:10 <fesch> js: feedback for Judy?   Not everyone here, we usually put a CFC...
16:45:47 <fesch> jd: wrt spec work, jd has some ideas on this....
16:46:25 <fesch> js: one idea we already came up with, is what does not have to have a CFC - a yradsitck
16:48:24 <fesch> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:48:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/12-pf-minutes.html fesch
16:52:22 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0042.html
16:53:03 <fesch> rrsagent, make mintes
16:53:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintes', fesch.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:53:16 <fesch> rssagent, make minutes
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