IRC log of pf on 2015-08-12

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 August 2015
15:40:24 [janina]
agenda?
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
15:42:19 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
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agenda+ Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy
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agenda+ Draft APA Home Page http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/
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agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
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agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
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agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
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agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
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agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
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agenda+ be done
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regrets: Shane, Cynthia, Michael, Michiel
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15:59:40 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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present+ Tzviya_Siegman
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present+ Joanmarie
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present+ Fred
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scribe: fesch
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy [from janina]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
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js: are we set for tomorrow?
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ts: we also have aria/dpub call
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Draft APA Home Page http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/" taken up [from janina]
16:12:20 [fesch]
js: is there feedback on the prototype APA web page?
16:13:12 [fesch]
fe: where does the style come from?
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fe: style looks old
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ts: WAI doesn't look like this
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js: no control over style
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fe: I think the annotation work group looks nicer
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ts: agrees the WAI page looks dated
16:18:29 [fesch]
js: will forward comment on style
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 6 closed
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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization [from janina]
16:20:02 [fesch]
zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
16:20:19 [richardschwerdtfeger]
Present+ Rich
16:23:35 [fesch]
rs: duplicate charter link/patent policy under join
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rs: anything on liasons?
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rs: task forces - I think you should mention who else is on the task force
16:25:47 [fesch]
rs: need link for docs
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js: under current work
16:26:18 [fesch]
zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "Decision Policy Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
16:27:06 [fesch]
js: have a compliant on missing decision policy, we have a draft decision policy,
16:28:18 [fesch]
js: we have an addition to the decision policy and not close a decision if regular contributors are on vacation...
16:29:18 [fesch]
js: also may want to have longer time for feedback - usually 48 hours but can make it longer, Judy asks us to make the feedback time to a week
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rs: why do we need a week?
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js: some argue that we have people all over the world... may need time...
16:30:29 [fesch]
rs: a week is too long for everything
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js: I agree a week is too long for everything
16:32:35 [fesch]
rs: maybe for a formal vote - OK, but for day-to-day that is too long, if someone finds an issue in the minutes, then we can take it up
16:33:28 [fesch]
rs: don't want to do this for details...
16:33:45 [fesch]
js: we decided going forward we will log every deciision
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s/deciision/decision
16:35:22 [fesch]
jd: recording everything may be too much, but we can record that - I already put details in an action
16:35:52 [fesch]
rs: I don't want to go through every resolution and paste that on a page
16:36:05 [fesch]
jd: I will volunteer for ARIA
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rs: what about task forces?
16:36:34 [fesch]
js: we typically close by logging a resolution
16:36:59 [fesch]
js: what if someone can scrape it from the minutes
16:37:21 [fesch]
js: it really helps to be systematic about the subject
16:38:08 [fesch]
js: If I am consistent on CFC and the subject we can use a scraper to pick that up
16:39:00 [fesch]
jd: if we use github to track issues, in my commint message, then it appears in github for you
16:39:29 [fesch]
jd: when do we have to state what we are going to do about decisions?
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js: can 't make a policy until we are chartered and not in August (too many folks on vacation)
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jd: loves github for keeping track of stuff
16:41:04 [fesch]
js: all the time to discuss doesn't count as part of the week, the week starts after a CFC has been put out
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jd: rich and my concerns are about details from a spec writer
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js: we may need a yardstick for deciding, in the decision policy
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jd: devils advocate - maybe we should only do things over email and no meetings
16:43:51 [fesch]
js: very few significant decisions where there is not a CFC
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js: feedback for Judy? Not everyone here, we usually put a CFC...
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jd: wrt spec work, jd has some ideas on this....
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js: one idea we already came up with, is what does not have to have a CFC - a yradsitck
16:48:24 [fesch]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/12-pf-minutes.html fesch
16:52:22 [janina]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0042.html
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rrsagent, make mintes
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintes', fesch. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rssagent, make minutes
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