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15:54:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:54:03 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:54:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:54:04 <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2015
15:54:17 <janina> agenda?
15:56:13 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:56:13 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:56:13 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:56:13 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:56:14 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:56:15 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:56:18 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:56:20 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:56:23 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
15:56:25 <janina> agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
15:56:28 <janina> agenda+ Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Continued Discussion
15:56:30 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:56:33 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:56:36 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:57:00 <janina>  present+ Janina
15:57:04 <janina> chair: Janina
15:57:11 <janina> zakim, next item
15:57:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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16:05:49 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0068.html
16:06:34 <janina> regrets: Rich, James_Nurthen, Gottfried
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16:10:21 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:10:44 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:10:44 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:11:37 <MichaelC> close action-1656
16:11:37 <trackbot> Closed action-1656.
16:11:51 <fesch> action-1655
16:11:51 <trackbot> action-1655 -- John Foliot to Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
16:11:51 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1655
16:12:44 <MichaelC> close action-1655
16:12:44 <trackbot> Closed action-1655.
16:13:10 <fesch> action-1615
16:13:10 <trackbot> action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
16:13:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:14:21 <fesch> js: action 1615  writing an email - have questions, there abstract needs to change...
16:16:59 <MichaelC> action-1615 due 1 week
16:16:59 <trackbot> Set action-1615 Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ due date to 2015-07-29.
16:17:30 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:17:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:18:06 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSP2/ Content Security Policy Level 2
16:18:29 <JF> Present+ JF
16:18:45 <fesch> Present+ fesch
16:19:05 <fesch> mc: lots of tabular data CR's
16:20:00 <fesch> mc: last call...
16:20:31 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ Activity Streams 2.0
16:21:50 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/ Preload
16:24:50 <MichaelC> action: janina to look into background behind Preload http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/ - due 5 Aug
16:24:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1689 - Look into background behind preload http://www.w3.org/tr/preload/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-08-05].
16:25:22 <fesch> zakim, next action
16:25:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next action', fesch
16:25:32 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:25:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:25:46 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-health/ BDE-Health, Demographic Change and Wellbeing Community Group
16:27:18 <fesch> cs: some groups could be using github and not show activity
16:28:19 <fesch> mc: can revisit in the future
16:29:01 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-food/ BDE-Food security, sustainable agriculture and forestry, marine and maritime and inland water research, and the Bioeconomy Community Group
16:30:28 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-climate/ BDE-Climate action, environment, resource efficiency and raw materials Community Group
16:30:46 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-societies/ BDE-Europe in a changing world - inclusive, innovative and reflective societies Community Group
16:32:05 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-secure-societies/ BDE-Secure societies - protecting freedom and security of Europe and its citizens Community Group
16:34:04 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/mathprotocol/ Math Protocol Handler Community Group
16:36:09 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:36:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:37:38 <fesch> js: a dozen responses, APA 2 formal objections,  7.5 days to vote
16:37:51 <fesch> js: 1 objection to ARIA charter
16:38:14 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:38:14 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:39:10 <fesch> js: have wiki for TPAC but not populated , 4 days, need agenda
16:39:39 <fesch> jf: please send out an email link to TPAC wiki pages
16:39:52 <fesch> js: fill out the wiki please
16:41:10 <fesch> js: as things come up, we need to add to the wiki
16:41:25 <fesch> js: having an agenda is useful for funding
16:41:43 <fesch> jf: do we want to socialize that we will be there?
16:41:53 <fesch> js: they can see that in the TPAC page
16:42:37 <fesch> Resource: TPAC 2015 Planning
16:42:39 <fesch> APA Wiki:	https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA
16:42:40 <fesch> ARIA Wiki:	https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/ARIA
16:42:42 <fesch> Main Page:	http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/
16:43:24 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:43:24 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
16:44:05 <fesch> Topic: Interactive CG
16:44:06 <janina> topic: Interactive CG
16:44:14 <janina> topic: Incubator CG
16:45:15 <fesch> cs: webapps is using an incubator community group for new ideas, planning to take WAPA there
16:45:38 <fesch> cs: trying to get multiple efforts there
16:45:44 <JF> https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/
16:46:43 <fesch> js: would like Rich to comment, we need CS to drive it... need to keep finger in cross dependency, not sure about staff resources in CG
16:47:00 <fesch> cs: want to drive it and aligned with other things I am doing
16:48:00 <fesch> jf: I like the idea, right approach, but not sure how they will communicate as an activity...
16:49:07 <fesch> jf: tools are nice, but if you can't be getting all the feeds... tools need to be accessible
16:50:04 <fesch> cs: agree tools need to be accessible...
16:50:54 <fesch> cs: think talking about a11y early is important
16:52:41 <fesch> jf: discussions are happening in tools... that may not be available...
16:53:34 <fesch> jf: 4 people on a git channel is not consensus
16:54:04 <fesch> js: we don't want to replace for email and so forth
16:54:27 <fesch> jf: I like email, lots of people don't
16:54:49 <fesch> jf: younger folks ok with stream of data....
16:55:35 <fesch> jf: you need to be aware of a conversation while it is happening... can be noisy
16:56:01 <fesch> cs: can have multiple work channels
16:56:45 <fesch> cs: will mention - are tools accessible? is the work style real time or batch?
16:56:47 <JF> background on Discourse tool & a11y: https://meta.discourse.org/t/accessibility-software-and-discourse/13711/50
16:57:12 <fesch> js: don't want to get in the way of people that want to work
16:57:52 <fesch> js: incubation cg - does everything have to start in the cg?
16:58:38 <fesch> cs: its organic, the folks that want to work on it do it...  don;t know if organizational guidance exists
16:58:50 <fesch> cs: I can ask for the process...
17:00:40 <fesch> js: how do we track development?
17:01:25 <fesch> rrs: make minutes
17:01:34 <fesch> rss: make minutes
17:02:04 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-pf-minutes.html fesch