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15:14:17 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogT
15:14:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
15:15:52 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Chaohai Ding , Steve Lee , Neil Milliken
15:43:12 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:43:14 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review actions, and timelines
15:43:15 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ meta data and easy personlization
15:43:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Issue papers - GA
15:43:18 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Techniques -  GA
15:43:20 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+  Other issue papers
15:43:21 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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16:02:28 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:02:45 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
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16:05:36 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe JohnRochford
16:05:45 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
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16:06:31 <Lisa_Seeman> chaals are you going to call in on the webex
16:07:12 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Reviewing action items
16:08:16 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Will have to bug Steve about graded-help issue paper
16:08:48 <JohnRochford> Tony: I'm half-way through second draft of distraction issue paper.
16:09:00 <JohnRochford> Tony: Will get to other stuff after that.
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16:11:05 <JohnRochford> Debbie: I still need to redo gap analysis on Voice ML. Will get to it this week.
16:12:20 <janina> present+ Janina
16:12:34 <ayelet_s> present+ Ayelet_S
16:14:00 <JohnRochford> EA: Waiting for another review of latest version of symbols gap analysis.
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16:14:30 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I will ping EA once I verify I have the latest version.
16:15:32 <Lisa_Seeman> Perform gap analisis on graded help when we have a copy and how it fits into with https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html in https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/gap_analysis
16:16:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/117
16:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/20-coga-minutes.html MichaelC
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16:17:52 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
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16:18:27 <MichaelC> meeting: COGA
16:18:37 <janina> q+ to mention this is of interest to post IndieUI work now in ARIA
16:19:02 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Anyone interested in metadata point and personalization point Liddy raised?
16:19:09 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Meta_data_support
16:19:34 <MichaelC> present+ Debbie_Dahl, E.A._Draffan, Lisa_Seeman, Michael_Cooper, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Mike_Pluke, Tony_Doran, John_Rochford
16:19:38 <MichaelC> chair: Lisa_Seeman
16:19:55 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Easy_Personalization
16:21:56 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Found summarizing content is not reliable at this point, so a simplified version is required.
16:22:54 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Personalization vs. meta-data approach.
16:24:03 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Is meta-data approach overlapping personalization, such as GPII?
16:24:44 <JohnRochford> EA: Raises issue of Jason scripts vs. RDFa.
16:26:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Wants small website users to be able to use JSON scripts.
16:26:12 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:26:13 <Mike_Pluke> q+
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16:27:32 <JohnRochford> Janina: User-context deliverable sent to ARIA working group. Implementability is a key component of W3C specification.
16:29:18 <JohnRochford> Janina: Best conversation about this to make sure Andy and Rich are on the call, and possibly Liddy.
16:29:55 <EA> +1
16:32:12 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Will work on a call with Andy and Rich and Liddy for this topic.
16:32:13 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:33:17 <Lisa_Seeman> ack j
16:33:17 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to mention this is of interest to post IndieUI work now in ARIA
16:33:26 <Lisa_Seeman> acj m
16:33:29 <Lisa_Seeman> ack m
16:34:17 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html
16:34:36 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Will table this conversation because we don't have the right people on this call.
16:36:29 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Can't expect a user agent to simplify text correctly.
16:37:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: ARIA alt type could be used for a simple version.
16:39:52 <Lisa_Seeman> <span aria-easylang=” some text that is hard to read”> some convoluted obtuse text</span>
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16:40:15 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Simpler alternative is to use ARIA-easylang.
16:44:52 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html
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16:45:47 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:45:54 <JohnRochford> Rich: Whatever we do, we have to be proscriptive to developers.
16:46:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/proscriptive/presecriptive/
16:47:13 <JohnRochford> John: I'm working with IBM on an automatic text summarization and simplification project using Watson.
16:47:44 <Tony_Doran> John - very interested in that!
16:47:59 <EA> what are the common 500 words - do you mean core vocabulary as in the most frequently used words which contain virtually no fringe vocabulary - nouns appropriate to the setting?
16:47:59 <JohnRochford> Rich: We have to keep smaller screens in mind whatever we recommend.
16:52:09 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0068.html
16:54:04 <JohnRochford> Lisa: There are open issues: Do we want to have ARIA distractions? Everyone will say no.
16:54:34 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:55:28 <JohnRochford> Ayelet, can you take over for me?
16:55:38 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: ayelet
16:56:10 <JohnRochford> EA: Concerned about vocab:500
16:57:14 <Tony_Doran> Agree EA
16:58:31 <ayelet_s> sure john
16:59:52 <JohnRochford> Thank you. I have to go now.
17:00:07 <ayelet_s> bye
17:00:07 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:01:34 <Tony_Doran> The more difficult it is the less likely to be widely adopted
17:01:39 <ayelet_s> LS: suggests having a vocab500 of the 500 most commonly used words, with any additional words having a tooltip
17:01:59 <ayelet_s> EA: too large a cognitive overload
17:02:40 <Tony_Doran> Sorry I need to drop off.
17:04:09 <ayelet_s> EA: suggests taking it forward - it needs people to take time and work only on it
17:05:47 <ddahl> q+ to ask exactly what expertise we're looking for?
17:05:55 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:08:21 <ayelet_s> LS: we need to move forward with things, so the options available are: 1. discuss this with additional experts E.A. recommends; 2. extra call for anyone interested in this specific topic; 3. put it in as is, and add a note that we want to give this ftf time
17:09:20 <ayelet_s> DD: which experts do we need?
17:13:34 <ayelet_s> EA: more technical experts
17:14:14 <ayelet_s> LS: would it be resolved if we pass it on with a commitment for best practices, etc.?
17:14:48 <ddahl> sorry, I will have to drop off.
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17:15:16 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
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17:17:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/20-coga-minutes.html ayelet_s
17:17:58 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:17:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/20-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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17:18:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items