IRC log of i18n on 2015-07-09
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 July 2015
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- Regrets: Felix, Dennis
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0009.html
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- agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ Bidi Plain Text
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- agenda+ Handling Language and Direction Metadata (was Mediastream Track Label)
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- agenda+ Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir
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- agenda+ Mediacapture item resolution
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- agenda+ CharMod
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- Present+ Addison
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Present+ Steve
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- Present+ Richard
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- Present+ JcK
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- Present+ David
- 14:04:01 [Najib-ma]
- present+ Najib-ma
- 14:05:11 [r12a]
- ok
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- Topic: Agenda
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- agenda?
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- I'm dialed in :-)
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- present+ r21a
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- Topic: Action Items
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- action-113?
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- action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
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- richard: just pubish it, after removing stubs?
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- close action-113
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- Closed action-113.
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- action:richard: publish updated version of Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML and CSS
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- action-451?
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- action-451 -- Addison Phillips to Respond on csvw issue 617 officially explaining that the wg believes that cldr's values and data structures are needed -- due 2015-07-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/451
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- close action-451
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- Closed action-451.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: TPAC registration open
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- ... if going, please register
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- richard: please add host key to agenda
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- addison: will do
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- agenda?
- 14:11:43 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0024.html
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
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- steve: create me a tracker for vehicle information?
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- addison: will do
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- richard: csv now passed
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- ... have their CR call
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- addison: we got consensus on their issues, though, right?
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- richard: think so
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
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- richard: mongolian discussion taking place
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- ... in depth talk about NNBSP and MVS
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- ... spoke to PLH last week
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- ... okay to go ahead with Arabic Layout Requirements and Ethiopic Layout Requirements chartering
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- richard: spent time merging chinese and english versions of clreq
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- ... much easier to manage them as a single document
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- ... just a few more additional translation
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- ... and a couple of text issues
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- ... then FPWD
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- addison: next week-ish?
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- richard: hope so, but depends on translators
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- richard: PLH recommends doing more publicity around layout requirements
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- ... such as making a page about it
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- richard: published update to klreq (last week)
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- addison: hoping for additional script information for indic soon?
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- richard: hope to see 4 more scripts, next week-ish?
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- richard: firefox releasing vertical into mainstream?
- 14:21:36 [aphillip]
- ... but koji and fantasai discussing different way of handling things
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- ... to cater to latin languages
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- addison: like german titles on book spine?
- 14:22:34 [aphillip]
- richard: yes, or in a table, that sort of thing
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- addison: hope they don't change the current model much/incompatibly
- 14:23:05 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/articles/vertical-text/
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- richard: also updated the article (link above)
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- ... separated proprietary stuff
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: "this is how you're supposed to achieve it"
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- ... with a "this is how to actually achieve in different browsers"
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- ... subtle difference
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- ... but worthwhile
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- richard: bidi: no implementations so far on @dir
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- ... worth chasing implementers?
- 14:27:45 [JcK]
- Thanks for adding docs to tracker -- I'm unlikely to have time to track that WG closely.
- 14:28:03 [JcK]
- And I have no idea what is going on with Webex, much less why it is a good idea.
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir" taken up [from aphillip]
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JulSep/0001.html
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- agenda?
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- richard: argued that it should be in spec so that it might work; can't work if not present
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- action: addison: respond to Notifications about .lang and .dir email
- 14:32:40 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-452 - Respond to notifications about .lang and .dir email [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-16].
- 14:33:10 [aphillip]
- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Mediacapture item resolution" taken up [from aphillip]
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JulSep/0002.html
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- issue-465?
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- issue-465 -- Human readable message not localizable? -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/465
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- addison: will send any comments to the list, if you see something, do the same
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Bidi Plain Text" taken up [from aphillip]
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- http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html
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- richard: this is an attempt to step back
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- ... when we reviewed CSV
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- ... inquiries about json, webvtt
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- ... maybe notifications
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- ... lots of plain text format not containing html/xml markup
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- ... need guidelines for how to represent direction
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- ... article is not in w3c site because personal thoughts so far
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- ... make a kind of "tutorial" for what's needed
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- ... and why
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: sections at end about webvtt and csv
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- ... would quite like feedback
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- ... some from mati and najib
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- richard: looking for comments, on right track, things missing, etc
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- najib: sent email about plain text
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- ... json or csv are not like normal text
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- ... could be considered different
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- ... could be read or edited
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- ... in logical order rather than visual order
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- ... make bidi disabled you can edit easily
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- richard: how often do you find editors that can disable bidi?
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- ... you're able to disable bidi. is that something people do commonly?
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- najib: specific editors don't have bidi
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- richard: do many people use editors without bidi support?
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- najib: most don't use source file editors, use visual order
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- ... not many edit source text
- 14:43:04 [JcK]
- @Richard: slightly different answer: there are a lot of editors out there that do have bibi support but whose support falls far short of our or UTC's standards
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- ... most in my region who produce bidi text choose like wordpress to produce content
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- Present+ koji
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/ContentMetadataJavaScriptDiscussion
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- richard: what about the json problem?
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- addison: see above link: started this in tandem with yours, much rougher
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- richard: include in my article?
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- addison: welcome to
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- agenda?
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- Topic: vertical text
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- koji: so proposal from self and fantasai
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- ... basic problemm is sideways-left
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- ... author and technical problems
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- ... detail in fantasai's email
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- ... haven't talked about this week
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- ... adding values to simplify latin usage
- 14:57:05 [aphillip]
- ... removing text-orientation: sideways-left
- 14:57:11 [aphillip]
- ... and addingt two value s to writing-mode
- 14:57:26 [aphillip]
- ... just need to change writing mode
- 14:57:37 [aphillip]
- ... only some cjk users need text-orentation
- 14:57:48 [aphillip]
- ... hope it simplifies authoring
- 14:57:53 [aphillip]
- ... hope ff can pick it up
- 14:58:30 [aphillip]
- richard: do you know if vertical text will support horizontal text in vertical (tate-chu-yoko) in FF?
- 14:58:37 [aphillip]
- koji: good question
- 14:58:42 [aphillip]
- ... don't know if still trying to
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- ... or if going to next milestone
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- ... likely to be minimal
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- ... still improving it
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- richard: what currently works will still work?
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- ... in production version?
- 14:59:41 [r12a]
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138384
- 14:59:50 [aphillip]
- koji: not in nightly yet, want to be in stable
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- ... maybe not
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- ... some things don't work (like tables)
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- ... make basic tables work
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- koji: not sure if in release or not
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- Topic: AOB?
- 15:01:18 [r12a]
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/41#CSS
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard: publish updated version of Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML and CSS [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-irc#T14-07-18
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- ACTION: addison: respond to Notifications about .lang and .dir email [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-irc#T14-32-39