IRC log of sdw on 2015-07-08

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Zakim, this will be SDW

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 08 July 2015

12:51:09 [kerry]

present+ kerry

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kerry has changed the topic to: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150708

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13:03:38 [billroberts]

Hi Kerry - we were hearing you reasanably well, if a little quiet

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sounds like you couldn't hear anyone else though

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i cant hear you much a t all

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scribe volunteer please?

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I can hear Kerry typing

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scribe: ClemensPortele

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present+ AndreaPerego

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scribenick: clemens

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regrets+ Jeremy, Linda, Ed, Phil, Andreas, Simon, Stefan Lemme, Josh

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regrets+ Jeremy

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regrets+ Linda

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regrets+ Ed

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trackbit, start meeting

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regrets+ Phil

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trackbot, start meeting

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regrets+ Andreas

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be SDW

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 08 July 2015

13:08:40 [ClemensPortele]

regrets+ Simon

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regrets+ Stefan Lemme

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regrets+ Josh

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13:09:22 [kerry]

topic: requirements issue-12

13:09:36 [ChrisLittle]

* Clemens, could you mute while typing please

13:09:36 [Frans]

Lots of background noise!

13:09:54 [Alejandro_Llaves]

http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/12

13:09:54 [BartvanLeeuwen]

kerry, could you mute yourself ?

13:09:55 [ClemensPortele]

Chris, I am muted locally

13:10:11 [ClemensPortele]

Alejandro_Llaves: issue 12 from Barcelona

13:10:47 [kerry]

q?

13:10:50 [ClemensPortele]

Alejandro_Llaves: for now excluded as considered out-of-scope, but we have the issue still open

13:11:04 [kerry]

q?

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q+

13:11:29 [ClemensPortele]

Alejandro_Llaves: for discussion at f2f meeting, but does not seem important for use cases

13:11:36 [kerry]

ack kerry

13:11:38 [ClemensPortele]

Alejandro_Llaves: comments anyone?

13:12:43 [ChrisLittle]

* clemens apologies

13:13:35 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: maybe not covered by a use case, but seems to be a requirement from IoT community

13:14:03 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: suggestion to close the issue for now, but add an action to discuss this with them later

13:14:44 [kerry]

q?

13:15:17 [Alejandro_Llaves]

+1

13:15:30 [kerry]

action: kerry to keep in contact with WoT re actuation

13:15:31 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-58 - Keep in contact with wot re actuation [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-07-15].

13:15:52 [ClemensPortele]

ACTION: Alejandro_Llaves to close issue-12

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Error finding 'Alejandro_Llaves'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.

13:16:11 [Alejandro_Llaves]

close issue 12

13:16:17 [kerry]

topic: best practice designissues

13:16:20 [Alejandro_Llaves]

close: issue-12

13:16:26 [Alejandro_Llaves]

:(

13:17:46 [Payam]

A good sample for best practice: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

13:17:53 [kerry]

https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150708

13:18:11 [kerry]

Are we focussing on "linked data" -- can we use JSON-LD as out primary encoding for each BP, then supplement where necessary?

13:19:08 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: Jeremy was keen on using JSON-LD in BPs

13:19:51 [BartvanLeeuwen]

+1

13:19:56 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Editors want to avoid the "usual" basics (have metadata, etc); just reference this as a basis

13:20:08 [kerry]

+1

13:20:12 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Editors do not want a tutorial

13:20:40 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: But be clear about things to avoid

13:21:14 [kerry]

q?

13:21:23 [AndreaPerego]

q+

13:21:40 [LarsG]

+1 to technology independence

13:21:50 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Idea is to use JSON-LD (and other formats) in examples, but be clear that this is just an example

13:22:13 [Frans]

q+

13:22:38 [ChrisLittle]

+1 to technology independence

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+1 to things to avoid as well as BP

13:23:27 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Approach will be to go requirements and try to group them

13:23:34 [AndreaPerego]

I think that what we mean with "technology independence" needs to be clarified.

13:23:52 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Editors will work on a proposal and present it to the group

13:24:10 [kerry]

q?

13:24:44 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: Plan is to have a draft available for f2f meeting

13:24:50 [kerry]

ack andreas

13:24:52 [billroberts]

I think using JSON-LD for examples is a good idea. Reasonably readable and the JSON bit will be familiar to many non-lD people

13:25:01 [kerry]

ack andra

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ack andrea

13:26:25 [ClemensPortele]

AndreaPerego: regarding referencing vs repeating - we need to be careful; is referencing general (we inherit all of Data on the Web BP) or are we specific with references

13:27:22 [ClemensPortele]

AndreaPerego: "technology independence" - what do we mean by this? the web is a platform that has its own technologies

13:28:20 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: agrees, document should also be self-sufficient, but should not go into detail with content included in Data on the Web BP

13:29:08 [ClemensPortele]

+1 on make references specific (to be clear which requriements or BPs are meant)

13:29:41 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: agrees on being technical, but no making the BP a tutorial

13:29:45 [kerry]

ack frans

13:30:07 [Frans]

The scope of the Spatial Data on the Web Working Group, SDWWG, is Web technologies as they may be applied to location. Where relevant, it will promote Linked Data using the 5 Stars of Linked Data paradigm, but this will not be to the exclusion of other technologies.

13:30:17 [AndreaPerego]

s/requriements/requirements/

13:30:42 [BartvanLeeuwen]

q+

13:30:53 [ClemensPortele]

Frans: points out the statement in the charter; does everyone agree with this or is a change necessary

13:31:10 [AndreaPerego]

No change needed, IMO.

13:31:12 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: sees the approach discussed consistent with the charter

13:31:31 [ClemensPortele]

+1 for no change needed

13:32:13 [kerry]

+1 I think we "assume" as frans suggested

13:32:40 [ClemensPortele]

Frans: do we assume linked data to be the best practice or are we looking at each UC/Req?

13:33:15 [kerry]

q?

13:33:59 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: In many cases linked data is one approach, but others are (equally) valid as well

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ack Bart

13:34:36 [ClemensPortele]

... discussion about "best practice" (singular) vs "best practices" (plural)

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BartvanLeeuwen: Data on the Web had a similar discussion

13:35:43 [AndreaPerego]

q+

13:36:18 [ClemensPortele]

BartvanLeeuwen: Approach there is linked data is included in the scope, but not the exclusive approach

13:36:38 [kerry]

q?

13:36:49 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: suggests to discuss this when we have a concrete BP example

13:37:20 [billroberts]

present+ billroberts

13:37:24 [billroberts]

(sorry forgot before)

13:37:58 [billroberts]

+1 agree easier to comment and refine when we can discuss a concrete first draft

13:38:12 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: idea was to not assume a certain technology to be the best practice for all use cases

13:39:33 [AndreaPerego]

I would say a certain "Web" technology

13:39:47 [AndreaPerego]

q+

13:40:02 [kerry]

ack andrea

13:40:33 [billroberts]

I liked Jeremy's explanation of the publishers and consumers relationship

13:41:25 [ClemensPortele]

AndreaPerego: the web should be the basis (not linked data as such), this is the minimal requirement

13:41:36 [kerry]

agree we must use uris and also we must link!

13:42:44 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: agrees with Andrea

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http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

13:43:56 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: agrees with Jeremy's proposal to use the DWBP as a template, but extend to cover both publisher/consumer perspectives

13:44:06 [Frans]

q+

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ack frans

13:45:33 [kerry]

q?

13:45:49 [ClemensPortele]

Frans: publishers may also have their own requirements beyond the consumer requirements

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q+

13:47:09 [BartvanLeeuwen]

+1

13:47:17 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: should we ask editors to use the "template" and create an example?

13:47:24 [kerry]

ack frans

13:47:32 [AndreaPerego]

+1

13:48:35 [ClemensPortele]

Frans: a good idea; maybe from the metadata ones?

13:48:54 [AndreaPerego]

+1 to metadata

13:49:19 [billroberts]

I hear a bit of background noise from somewhere but no speaking (except for Kerry)

13:50:24 [Frans]

Good idea to make suggestions on the list

13:50:33 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: please make suggestions on the list where to start

13:51:06 [ClemensPortele]

Payam: editors will work on the grouping

13:51:22 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: maybe do both (grouping, example) in parallel

13:51:33 [Frans]

I like the idea of picking one BP requirement as an example

13:51:43 [kerry]

topic: approve the minutes

13:51:50 [Payam]

+1

13:52:00 [billroberts]

(missed last week's call so can't vote)

13:52:01 [AndreaPerego]

http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes

13:52:03 [Frans]

Kerry, you also did not do the patent call

13:52:04 [Alejandro_Llaves]

+1

13:52:05 [ChrisLittle]

+1 minutes

13:52:08 [MattPerry]

+1

13:52:15 [kerry]

http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html

13:52:15 [AndreaPerego]

I was not there

13:52:16 [cory]

+1

13:52:23 [kerry]

+1

13:52:30 [LarsG]

+1

13:52:33 [MattPerry]

+1

13:52:54 [ClemensPortele]

topic: W3C and OGC patent calls

13:52:57 [Frans]

I have not read the minutes entirely yet

13:53:19 [kerry]

topic: Sapporo

13:53:44 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: reminder to register for TPAC

13:54:20 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: idea is to finalise 1st working draft BP

13:54:32 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: start work on ontologies

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13:55:54 [ClemensPortele]

kerry: status at OGC?

13:56:22 [ClemensPortele]

ClemensPortele: email vote started (low turnout in OGC DWG telecon)

13:56:27 [kerry]

q?

13:56:32 [ClemensPortele]

topic: AOB?

13:56:54 [ChrisLittle]

Bye and Thank you

13:56:55 [Alejandro_Llaves]

thanks, bye!

13:56:56 [AndreaPerego]

Thanks and bye!

13:56:58 [billroberts]

ok, thanks very much, bye!

13:57:01 [ClemensPortele]

bye

13:57:03 [MattPerry]

bye

13:57:10 [Payam]

bye

13:57:15 [Frans]

have a good week

13:57:20 [kerry]

rrsagent, draft minute

13:57:20 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kerry. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:57:36 [kerry]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-sdw-minutes.html kerry

13:57:36 [AndreaPerego]

rsagent, draft minutes

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego

13:58:58 [AndreaPerego]

RRSAgent, make logs world

13:59:10 [kerry]

thanks everyone, bye

13:59:23 [AndreaPerego]

Bye again, Kerry, and thanks!

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&quit

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trackbot, bye

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