IRC log of coga on 2015-07-06

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15:36:06 [Lisa_Seeman]

zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF

15:36:06 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman

15:37:05 [Lisa_Seeman]

regrets:Chaohai Ding , Tim Boland,E.A. Draffan,Jamie Knight ,Steve Lee ,Susann Keohane

15:44:40 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda: this

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agenda+ review actions, and timelines

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agenda+ Issue papers - GA

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agenda+ Techniques - GA

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agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)

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agenda+ be done

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next item

16:02:29 [Lisa_Seeman]

q?

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ack rich

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next item

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16:05:28 [Lisa_Seeman]

next item

16:05:53 [Ryladog]

Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea

16:06:27 [Lisa_Seeman]

zakim, clear agenda

16:06:27 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

16:06:39 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda: this agenda+ review actions, and timelinesagenda+ Issue papers - GAagenda+ Techniques - GAagenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion) agenda+ be done

16:06:51 [ayelet_seeman]

Present+ ayelet.a

16:06:51 [janina]

present+ janina

16:07:15 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda: this agenda+ review actions, and timelinesagenda+ Issue papers - GAagenda+ Techniques - GAagenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion) agenda+ be done

16:07:32 [janina]

agenda?

16:07:43 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda: this

16:07:45 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda+ review actions, and timelines

16:07:46 [Lisa_Seeman]

agenda+ Issue papers - GA

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agenda+ Techniques - GA

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agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers

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agenda+ be done

16:08:23 [Lisa_Seeman]

scribe: ayelet_seeman

16:08:28 [janina]

agenda?

16:08:38 [Lisa_Seeman]

next item

16:08:41 [MichaelC]

present+ MichaelC

16:08:43 [janina]

Sorry, everyone. Bad connection to my ISP

16:09:02 [Lisa_Seeman]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open

16:09:18 [Lisa_Seeman]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules

16:10:29 [Lisa_Seeman]

action: lisa to ping people not on the call about thier action items

16:10:30 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-121 - Ping people not on the call about thier action items [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-07-13].

16:11:26 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: we need to finish reviewing the issue papers by 31st July, as the WCAG extension is dependent on it

16:12:34 [ayelet_seeman]

JR: the issue paper for mofdality was finished at May

16:15:14 [JohnRochford]

Multi-Modal Issue Paper on GitHub = https://github.com/w3c/coga/blob/master/issue-papers/multi-modal.html

16:15:26 [janina]

We were going to try to get the person who posted the issue paper on a call for further discussion.

16:16:21 [janina]

My review was that there were no use cases

16:16:45 [janina]

In other words, nothing particular to web of things

16:17:03 [janina]

All issues listed are true in general, and not specific to wot

16:18:15 [janina]

Was that Gottfried Zimmerman?

16:18:56 [janina]

OK. But Gottfried's ISO specs are NOT wot

16:19:06 [janina]

web of things

16:19:33 [janina]

Same concern

16:19:48 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: Rich asked Gottfried. things like simplification aren't being included. that's a gap that needs to be brought in

16:20:02 [janina]

Gottfried's working on Universal Remote; ISO 24752

16:20:16 [janina]

myurc.org

16:20:45 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: wot has been merged partially with internet of thinga

16:20:52 [janina]

And the issues presented are spot on, just not particular to internet/web of things

16:21:08 [JohnRochford]

Janina, are you sure that is the correct site?

16:21:24 [janina]

Wroking off the top of my head, it's something similar ...

16:23:00 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: the techniques of the dyscalculia haven't been reviewed

16:23:52 [ayelet_seeman]

... requested John adds it to the github and LS to the gap analysis

16:24:47 [Lisa_Seeman]

action John Rochford to add dysculcula techneques to github, Lisa to add them to gap annalis

16:24:48 [trackbot]

'John' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jfoliot, JohnRochford).

16:24:54 [Lisa_Seeman]

action JohnRochford to add dysculcula techneques to github, Lisa to add them to gap annalis

16:24:54 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-122 - Add dysculcula techneques to github, lisa to add them to gap annalis [on John Rochford - due 2015-07-13].

16:25:09 [Lisa_Seeman]

next item

16:27:17 [Lisa_Seeman]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Providing_graded_help#Settings

16:27:29 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: added potential types of symbols and language support to the graded help

16:29:54 [janina]

Looks like myurc.org has been abandoned by the ISO work and taken over by a Japanese business concern

16:30:49 [janina]

It's still listed by Trace: http://trace.wisc.edu/resources/#start

16:31:08 [ayelet_seeman]

having brain storming session on types of symbols and language support

16:31:33 [ayelet_seeman]

JR: suggests changing "symbol" to "drawing"

16:33:06 [ayelet_seeman]

MP: symbolic or realistic images for support

16:34:05 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: EA wanted to change "present voice" to

16:35:07 [ayelet_seeman]

... "active tense". am debating if to add "when possible", as there are cases in which it doesn't work.

16:35:32 [ayelet_seeman]

https://w3c.github.io/coga/techniques/#use-active-rather-than-passive-voice.x

16:35:49 [ayelet_seeman]

thanks Janina

16:41:03 [ayelet_seeman]

JR: what does the "frequency" mean?

16:41:16 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: frequency of images - different people want images in different frequencies, i. e. one per paragraph, per sentence, etc.

16:45:48 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: E. A. asked about "number free" - what does it mean

16:46:35 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: suggests changing it ti "avoid or explain using numerals, text to numerals and numerical concepts"

16:46:46 [ayelet_seeman]

*changing it to

16:50:06 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: pronoun free - impossible in English (E.A.) should be removed as what is intended is active voice

16:52:20 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: E.A. asked about icons

16:52:57 [ayelet_seeman]

JR: is it different beyond the size?

16:53:57 [ayelet_seeman]

conclusion: more like a symbol

16:54:49 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: E.A. frequencies depend on context.

16:55:28 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: these are preferences, so it should be fine

16:56:05 [ayelet_seeman]

John: suggests to standardize a set of symbols

16:57:58 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: the approach taken is to let the user set the symbols the user prefers

16:58:27 [Lisa_Seeman]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Easy_Personalization

16:59:34 [Ryladog]

Sorry, I have to drop

17:00:24 [ayelet_seeman]

LS: would be good if someone would make a set of symbols and upload them online

17:00:59 [ayelet_seeman]

... and then Chaohai and Ayelet could link to them

17:01:28 [Lisa_Seeman]

q?

17:01:50 [Lisa_Seeman]

iso symbols

17:02:01 [ayelet_seeman]

https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/links-buttons.html

17:02:33 [ayelet_seeman]

John - is that what you're looking for?

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17:05:00 [Lisa_Seeman]

action JohnRochford to make sample symbol set and text tool tips for link types and buttons types from https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/links-buttons.html

17:05:00 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-123 - Make sample symbol set and text tool tips for link types and buttons types from https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/links-buttons.html [on John Rochford - due 2015-07-13].

17:05:13 [ayelet_seeman]

Lisa - could you generate the minutes?

17:05:29 [Lisa_Seeman]

rrsagent, make logs public

17:05:37 [Lisa_Seeman]

rrsagent, create minutes

17:05:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/06-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman

17:06:07 [Lisa_Seeman]

zakim, please part

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rrsagent, please part

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/06-coga-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: lisa to ping people not on the call about thier action items [1]

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