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13:27:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:27:30 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:27:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:27:31 <trackbot> Date: 01 July 2015
13:27:44 <shadi> chair: Mark
13:27:59 <shadi> present+ Klaus
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13:31:17 <shadi> present+ Mark
13:31:21 <shadi> present+ Shadi
13:33:03 <shadi> regrets: David, Silvia, Yehya
13:34:01 <shadi> present+ Jason
13:37:22 <shadi> scribe: shadi
13:37:40 <shadi> Mark: comment from Yehya about specific type of exchange with APA
13:37:50 <shadi> ...worth discussion
13:38:31 <shadi> Jason: PF has main meeting, and some of the people involved in TFs sometimes participate
13:38:50 <shadi> ...resources from the TFs are reviewed and approved by the main group
13:38:58 <shadi> ...mostly process-oriented
13:42:24 <shadi> Shadi: Jason is right, TFs do not publish but WGs need to approve publication
13:42:38 <shadi> ...at least then there are discussions with the WG
13:42:49 <shadi> ...but that often rehashes discussion
13:44:24 <shadi> ...usually helpful to have common participants who act as bridges
13:44:53 <shadi> ...in addition, may be good to have the TF facilitators send a brief update from time to time
13:45:53 <shadi> ...and also join the main WG meeting from time to time, to present the update and provide an opportunity for questions & answers
13:46:21 <shadi> Klaus: important to cover the logistics but need to get back to more content
13:47:28 <shadi> Mark: agree but people need to be aware of the change of participation
13:47:48 <shadi> Mark: what are outreach opportunities coming up?
13:48:22 <shadi> Klaus: we have a good collection of email lists that we used to inform people about symposia
13:48:36 <shadi> ...also can use social media, raise hand at conferences, etc
13:49:03 <shadi> ...maybe also desktop review of publications in the last year or two
13:51:03 <shadi> Shadi: web of things is really important topic, but might also be attractive
13:51:14 <shadi> ...chicken and egg on getting this going
13:51:50 <shadi> ...but may be good to focus on
13:52:13 <shadi> ...also could think about outreach activity at Accessing Higher Ground
13:52:22 <shadi> Mark: ASSETS also coming up
13:52:48 <shadi> Klaus: AAATE in September
13:56:53 <shadi> Topic: Web of Things
13:58:03 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Web_of_Things
14:01:35 <shadi> Mark: Web of Things vs Internet of Things?
14:02:02 <shadi> Shadi: we believe that the web will be the value add to the internet-enabling of devices, just as on desktop
14:02:35 <shadi> Jason: when using HTTP and web protocols, then participates in the web of things in addition to internet of things
14:03:10 <shadi> Mark: looking at beyond HTML5
14:03:24 <shadi> ...like ARIA 2.0 and what is needed for such complex interactions
14:03:50 <shadi> ...what are the questions that need to be addressed
14:07:16 <shadi> Shadi: we need accessibility use-cases for the underlying protocols to be developed
14:09:07 <shadi> ...is it all user interface only?
14:09:33 <shadi> Jason: to make the interface accessible, there are implications on the underlying protocols
14:09:52 <shadi> ...like disclosing the device capabilities and functionality
14:11:45 <shadi> Shadi: many of these are general interoperability requirements
14:12:08 <shadi> ...however, these are specifically relevant to people with disabilities
14:13:16 <shadi> ...need to highlight these requirements
14:14:28 <shadi> Mark: smart thermostat in combination with voice command
14:14:41 <shadi> ...need to expose values and functionality
14:16:01 <shadi> Shadi: how to collect such use cases?
14:16:32 <shadi> Jason: need standard conventions for functionality and actions
14:16:47 <shadi> ...like the universal remote control console developed by Trace
14:17:21 <shadi> ...common APIs to make access more open
14:17:29 <shadi> ...self-describing if possible
14:17:38 <shadi> ...the hierarchy, data-types, etc
14:17:58 <shadi> ...can build user interfaces based on this
14:19:12 <shadi> Klaus: describing use-cases is important, together with the technology implications
14:20:58 <shadi> Mark: could form a small sub-group to get these examples started
14:21:01 <shadi> ...with Jason and Klaus
14:21:10 <shadi> Jason: happy to volunteer
14:21:16 <shadi> Klaus: good idea
14:26:01 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:26:01 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:26:01 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:26:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:26:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:26:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:26:10 <RRSAgent> I see no action items