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14:46:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:16 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:46:16 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2015
14:46:59 <paulc> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
14:55:42 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
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14:56:55 <MattWolenetz> zakim, who is on the line
14:56:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', MattWolenetz
14:57:16 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:57:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.876.aaaa
14:58:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:58:56 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:58:56 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
14:59:03 <MattWolenetz> zakim, aaaa is me
14:59:03 <Zakim> +MattWolenetz; got it
14:59:26 <paulc> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
14:59:33 <paulc> Chair: paulc
14:59:40 <paulc> Scribnick: paulc
15:00:47 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:00:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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15:02:01 <Zakim> +??P3
15:02:38 <davide> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, ??P3
15:02:47 <davide> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:02:47 <Zakim> +davide; got it
15:04:20 <paulc> test
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15:05:04 <paulc> present+ paulc
15:05:21 <paulc> present+ MattWolenetz
15:05:29 <paulc> present+ davide
15:05:39 <paulc> present+ jdsmith
15:05:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:06 <paulc> zakim, [Micrsoft] is jdsmith
15:06:06 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Micrsoft]'
15:06:19 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
15:06:19 <Zakim> +jdsmith; got it
15:06:27 <paulc> Zakimk, who is present?
15:06:36 <paulc> zakim, who is present?
15:06:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:06:43 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
15:06:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, davide, jdsmith
15:06:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdsmith, davide, MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, trackbot, cwilso, adrianba
15:06:59 <paulc> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
15:07:07 <paulc> Topic: MSE action items
15:07:26 <paulc> ACTION-95?
15:07:26 <trackbot> ACTION-95 -- Paul Cotton to Try to get some to update the firefox results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:07:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/95
15:08:30 <paulc> See http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:08:38 <paulc> Matt added these results
15:08:48 <paulc> Close ACTION-95
15:08:48 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-95.
15:09:06 <paulc> ACTION-96
15:09:07 <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Jerry Smith to Update microsoft mse test results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:09:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/96
15:09:30 <paulc> Matt: I added the Spartan results.  Jerry please check these.
15:09:50 <paulc> ... I wonder what the priority of MSE prioritzation within MSFT?
15:10:08 <paulc> ... Previously Jerry said he was working "heads down" on EME.
15:10:24 <paulc> Jerry:  Just started to looks at MSE results
15:10:41 <paulc> Matt: Please let me know if you want any assistance or have questions
15:10:54 <paulc> close ACTION-96
15:10:54 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-96.
15:11:08 <paulc> ACTION-97?
15:11:08 <trackbot> ACTION-97 -- Paul Cotton to Contact apple about safari support and if they are interested in mse testing -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:11:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/97
15:11:28 <paulc> Mike Smith added Safari results in http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:11:48 <paulc> Matt:  Mike may have updated the Firefox results as well and lost a Chrome set of results
15:12:28 <paulc> Matt: Lots of time outs for Safari - could be a test runner problem, or a special flag is needed
15:12:46 <paulc> Close ACTION-97
15:12:46 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-97.
15:13:09 <paulc> Topic: MSE testing update
15:13:26 <paulc> Update from Matt: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0040.html
15:14:12 <paulc> Matt: I have been asking about the WebIDL possible problems
15:14:41 <paulc> [Chromium] MSE w3c web-platform-tests interface.html shows multiple unexpected failures: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=504170
15:15:12 <paulc> paulc: Matt's work has been concentrated on generates "columns" of results for different MSE implementations.
15:15:39 <paulc> ... Has anyone thought about whether we have ther right number of "rows" ie the right number or coverage of tests?
15:16:31 <paulc> Matt: Mozilla is active in changing and adding tests
15:16:46 <paulc> ... I want to post up some new Chromium tests as well
15:17:03 <paulc> ... there are likely some coverage tests
15:18:29 <paulc> Matt:  The Mozilla new tests are being done as Pull Requests by ms2ger and jgraham
15:19:17 <paulc> Matt:  I will be working on fixing bad cells and adding coverage as we go forward
15:19:59 <paulc> Jun 29 test results including Safari results: http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:20:26 <paulc> Topic: MSE Bug 28822
15:20:48 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28822
15:21:16 <paulc> MSE] Spec is ambiguous as to event behavior of an explicit MediaSource duration of +Infinity
15:21:51 <paulc> "By my reading, the specs are currently ambiguous as to what happens when the MediaSource.duration gets set to +Infinity. Do we fire durationchange or not?"
15:22:19 <paulc> Matt: Should we allow changing the Duration from +infinity to something else?
15:23:42 <paulc> ... The spec only sets +Infinity when we extract it from the in band media ie if there is no value there
15:23:57 <paulc> ... The bug contains a good question
15:24:23 <paulc> ... Does it make sense to change a finite duration to +Infinity?
15:24:50 <paulc> Jerry:  When would this occur ie going from a fixed duration to an unknown duration?
15:26:06 <paulc> Matt: Inifinity is used for an bounded stream
15:26:21 <paulc> s/bounded/unbounded/
15:28:02 <MattWolenetz> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#durationChange
15:30:04 <paulc> The quoted text in the bug is from Step 6 in http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#duration-change-algorithm
15:33:34 <paulc> Matt: I will respond to this bug, resolve it WONTFIX since Infinity is a known value (it means unbounded).  The only unknow value is NaN which is the initial value.
15:34:35 <paulc> Topic: MSE Bug 28857
15:34:46 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857
15:34:58 <paulc> [MSE] Support attachment (and inspection) of MediaSource to HTMLMediaElement via HTMLMediaElement.srcObject
15:35:45 <paulc> See suggested change in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857#c1
15:38:26 <paulc> First the HTML5 reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#location-of-the-media-resource
15:42:03 <paulc> The HTML5.1 reference is http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/semantics.html#location-of-the-media-resource
15:47:58 <paulc> paulc: The question here is if we want to align MSE 1.0 with a feature that is not in HTML5 but is in HTML5.1
15:48:24 <paulc> ... we could fork MSE 1.0 to start working on MSE 1.1, we could start a list of future features to include this one, etc.
15:51:41 <paulc> ... So the summary here is that adding this 5.1 feature would definitely taking MSE out of CR and back to WD or LC
15:53:23 <MattWolenetz> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_status
15:54:41 <paulc> Matt will update as RESOLVED LATER and we can in the future collect together additional features for a new version of MSE
15:55:39 <paulc> Topic: Range removal algorithm
15:56:20 <paulc> Matt: There is set of related bugs on the range removal algorithm
15:56:44 <MattWolenetz> bugs 27980, 27982 and one other like "no frame removed on duration truncation"
15:57:21 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27980
15:57:26 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27982
15:58:57 <paulc> Matt: There two bugs are dependent on each other
16:00:20 <paulc> Matt: The problem here is fall out from moving the algorithm from synchronous to asynchronous
16:03:25 <paulc> jerry: I will comment on the bug after the meeting.
16:04:09 <paulc> paulc: Add the third bug to the dependency list.
16:04:15 <paulc> Topic: Next meeting
16:04:30 <paulc> proposal is that EME next week and then return to MSE in two weeks
16:05:11 <paulc> And note Zakim is going away and we are switching to Webex for future meetings. so the phone call changes.
16:05:51 <paulc> Webex information: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Media_Task_Force/Call
16:07:59 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:07:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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16:09:13 <Zakim> -MattWolenetz
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16:09:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.876.aaaa, paulc, MattWolenetz, davide, jdsmith
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