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14:53:07 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:53:07 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago
14:53:08 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:53:08 Date: 25 June 2015
14:53:15 agenda?
14:53:28 agenda+ any other items for the agenda? 2 agenda+ are we on track for canvas 3 agenda+ transcript: CfC 4 agenda+ alt guidance 5 agenda+ bug triage 6 agenda+ Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
14:53:47 agenda?
14:54:12 clear agenda
14:54:35 agenda+ any other items for the agenda? 2 agenda+ are we on track for canvas 3 agenda+ transcript: CfC 4 agenda+ alt guidance 5 agenda+ bug triage 6 agenda+ Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open 7
14:54:52 agenda?
14:54:57 clear agenda
14:56:30 agenda+ any other items for the agenda?
14:56:30 agenda+ transcript: CfC
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14:56:33 agenda+ are we on track for canvas
14:56:35 agenda+ alt guidance
14:56:38 agenda+ bug triage
14:56:40 agenda+ Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
14:56:59 zakim, agenda 1 3 2 4 5 6
14:56:59 I don't understand 'agenda 1 3 2 4 5 6', janina
14:58:08 zakim, who's here?
14:58:08 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
14:58:10 On IRC I see chaals, Zakim, RRSAgent, newtron_, trackbot, cabanier, sivoais, janina, joanie, liam
14:58:32 Having Webex issues again!
14:58:38 Improperly setup Webex
14:58:46 Won't start without a host
14:59:19 zakim, this is wai
14:59:19 "wai" matches WAI_MATF()11:00AM, WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM, WAI_EOWG()10:00AM, WAI_WCAG()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM, and WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM, chaals
14:59:24 zakim, this is 2119
14:59:24 chaals, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 2119".
14:59:43 Regrets+ Léonie
14:59:53 agenda?
15:00:28 -> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m698e501ae0e49419de5fe033e83179be url for webex meeting…
15:00:36 Chaals, PLH asked to take up Canvas early in the call. Can we switch agenda 2 and 3?
15:00:48 Still no joy on Webex
15:00:59 s/Chaals, PLH asked to take up Canvas early in the call. Can we switch agenda 2 and 3?//
15:01:33 Did you succeed getting on Webex? I'm still failing
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15:02:05 Code I'm trying to use is: 643 822 343
15:02:16 I can't use the URI approach
15:02:56 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:03:22 present+ JF
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15:04:33 Present+ Janina
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15:05:46 present+ paulc
15:06:00 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
15:06:05 only on IRC for now - in a noisy airport lounge
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15:06:10 -??P4
15:06:11 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:06:11 Attendees were
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15:06:42 Present+ Rich
15:06:42 Present+ RichS
15:06:48 Present- Rich
15:06:53 Folks, we're on Webex, not Zakim!
15:07:05 scribe: janina
15:07:21 Present+ Liam
15:07:43 zakim, next item
15:07:43 agendum 1. "any other items for the agenda?" taken up [from janina]
15:08:06 cn: Any additions?
15:08:26 zakim, take up item 2
15:08:26 agendum 2. "transcript: CfC " taken up
15:08:27 zakim, next item
15:08:29 ... [from janina]
15:08:29 agendum 2 was just opened, janina
15:08:45 JS: He has them done, Chrome is failing.
15:08:53 … he wanted to talk about it early, but isn't here.
15:09:15 … Firefox is passing. Chrome isn't talking to the accessibility APIs
15:09:24 RS: You have to turn on some flags for Chrome - may be that.
15:09:34 JS: Yes, but this put hit regions at risk.
15:09:40 RS: That's OK...
15:10:05 Publication of the Canvas2D CR will probably be next week on Thu Jul 2
15:10:06 MS: PLH sent us a personal email summarising this - fre-orwarded to you just now.
15:10:48 ACTION: Rich to talk to PLH urgently in order to work out if Chrome really passes or fails on HitRegions
15:10:50 Created ACTION-326 - Talk to plh urgently in order to work out if chrome really passes or fails on hitregions [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-07-02].
15:10:58 zakim, next item
15:10:58 agendum 1. "any other items for the agenda?" taken up [from janina]
15:11:07 zakim, close this item
15:11:07 agendum 1 closed
15:11:08 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:11:08 3. are we on track for canvas [from janina]
15:11:16 zakim, take up item 2
15:11:16 agendum 2. "transcript: CfC " taken up
15:11:20 ... [from janina]
15:11:43 cn: Open CfC to have the TF accept the draft as a TF endeavor
15:11:59 cn: Silvia says we can't make this a WD yet,
15:12:13 cn: Clarified that we expect to choose one of the two options
15:12:25 cn: CfC through Friday
15:12:42 cn: How to proceed? I'd prefer github and the TF or github issue tracker
15:12:57 cn: Any preference?
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15:13:25 cn: If no preference voiced, we'll take the decision at executive level
15:13:40 zakim, close the item
15:13:40 I don't understand 'close the item', chaals
15:13:46 zakim, close this item
15:13:46 agendum 2 closed
15:13:47 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:47 3. are we on track for canvas [from janina]
15:14:23 zakim, agenda?
15:14:23 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:14:24 3. are we on track for canvas [from janina]
15:14:24 4. alt guidance [from janina]
15:14:25 5. bug triage [from janina]
15:14:25 6. Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:14:36 zakim, take up item 5
15:14:36 agendum 5. "bug triage" taken up [from janina]
15:14:56 cn: All filed bugs through last Friday reviewed
15:15:01 cn: about 25 left
15:15:12 cn: Fall into three groups
15:15:27 cn: Things we agree to do -- Once the HTML docs approach is settled
15:15:46 Present+ PLH
15:15:57 Present+ Judy
15:16:22 cn: Second group is Alt Guidance issues
15:16:56 cn: Third is bugs related to kybd and focus work -- We don't yet have these answers
15:17:04 cn: No Bug Triage mtg this week
15:17:13 zakim, close this item
15:17:13 agendum 5 closed
15:17:14 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:17:14 3. are we on track for canvas [from janina]
15:17:19 zakim, take up item 3
15:17:19 agendum 3. "are we on track for canvas" taken up [from janina]
15:17:40 WG Decision to move Canvas2D to CR: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015Jun/0022.html
15:17:40 plh: Have put HIt Region AtRisk
15:18:03 plh: Realized Chrome not properly implementing hit region, because not reporting to a11y apis
15:18:26 rs: Did you turn the mapping features required?
15:18:36 plh: I did turn one on, are there more?
15:18:55 plh: Rich, Did you get the reporting working?
15:19:01 rs: I did not test yet
15:19:18 rs: Chrome tends to not turn on api mappings unless AT running
15:19:48 q+
15:19:54 rs: With JFW running, ... did you use insepct tool?
15:20:19 http://plehegar.github.io/wpt-canvas/2dcontext/hit-regions/addHitRegion.IDNotNullPreviousInList-manual.html
15:20:27 chrome://accessibility/
15:20:52 ms: Put the above in, may give better results. It turns a11y mode globally
15:21:31 [JB: So then the test should be modified to clarify everything that needs to be turned on when testing the feature, right?]
15:21:32 q+
15:21:45 ack me
15:21:49 ack ju
15:22:19 jb: Let's at least agree what we need to update ... Test expectations?
15:22:31 cn: Chrome has particular behaviors
15:22:36 plh: Can someone else run the test?
15:23:16 jb: then we should also document how to ensure that the tests work for those particular behaviors
15:23:16 Present+ MarkS
15:23:25 q+
15:23:31 cn: If Chrome passes then hit regions is no longer at risk? Yes?
15:23:31 ack paul
15:23:33 plh: Yes
15:23:47 pc: WG decision was to mark hit regions at risk
15:23:56 pc: Don't want to reconsider the CfC
15:24:04 cn: We agreed to "at risk"
15:24:12 cn: Our concern is how to satisfy the concern
15:24:54 We expect the CR to be published on Thu July 2.
15:25:26 ACTION: Marks to check if chrome hitregion implementation actually works
15:25:26 Created ACTION-327 - Check if chrome hitregion implementation actually works [on Mark Sadecki - due 2015-07-02].
15:25:52 plh: No impact on publication
15:26:13 zakim, close this item
15:26:13 agendum 3 closed
15:26:14 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:26:14 4. alt guidance [from janina]
15:26:38 lq: An updated version available ...
15:27:09 lq: Expect reviewable doc next week
15:27:20 lq: So far, added new intro text
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15:27:56 lq: Inst3ead of many examples, I'm explaining principals, then examples
15:28:16 Q+
15:28:25 cn: Soujnds an improvement to have the intro
15:28:37 cn: Examples very helpful
15:28:46 ack jf
15:28:49 http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html
15:29:15 jf: Don't think multiple examples isn't important
15:29:17 q+
15:29:24 jf: Question was how many examples do we need
15:29:30 jf: Decision was for more examples
15:29:35 +1
15:29:35 q+
15:29:38 q+
15:29:40 ack ju
15:29:53 jb: Concerned that we're using the spec for examples
15:30:31 jb: What's the eventual intent? All of this for the spec doc?
15:31:15 lq: My next step is to ask which examples should stay in the spec, and which go to the resources page
15:31:27 q+ to ask if we should file pull requests
15:31:56 ack li
15:31:56 liam, you wanted to respond and thank for the fedback
15:32:18 ack li
15:32:21 ack ja
15:33:36 ack me
15:33:36 chaals, you wanted to ask if we should file pull requests
15:34:16 cn: Current working resolution is that we work on this until material is technically correct, then figure out where it needs to be
15:34:36 nc: Spec currently says Bugzilla ... Continue that? Or go github?
15:34:58 lq: Currently not looking either place, and have no preference. Will monitor
15:35:19 lq: We don't yet know where HTML is going on that
15:35:24 ack li
15:35:24 liam, you wanted to note things like ARIA described-by are an issue
15:35:56 lq: Think it very good that we have the reference out of the spec to external resources
15:36:18 lq: ARIA Describedby and Describedat not mentioned yet.
15:36:41 lq: I'm adding. But external is important just for this kind of maturing markup
15:37:03 HTML 5.1 at http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#alt mentions "Additional guidance and techniques are available in Resources on Alternative Text for Images." which links to http://www.w3.org/WAI/alt/
15:37:07 q+
15:37:08 zakim, close this item
15:37:09 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:37:16 ack pa
15:38:12 q+
15:38:23 pc: Asking where we intend updated material will go ...
15:38:40 cn: Reiterates that we will decide what goes where
15:38:51 ack ju
15:39:09 jb: Believe PC is pretty much correct -- Examples mostly external
15:39:18 Thanks, judy
15:39:21 zakim, close this item
15:39:21 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:39:27 zakim, agenda?
15:39:27 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:39:28 4. alt guidance [from janina]
15:39:28 6. Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:39:35 zakim, close item 4
15:39:35 agendum 4, alt guidance, closed
15:39:36 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:39:36 6. Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:39:40 zakim, next item
15:39:40 agendum 6. "Action item review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
15:40:15 action-326?
15:40:15 action-326 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Talk to plh urgently in order to work out if chrome really passes or fails on hitregions -- due 2015-07-02 -- OPEN
15:40:15 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/326
15:40:18 rs: Looking at hit regions ...
15:40:31 rs: Getting x coordinates correct, but y wrong
15:40:42 rs: So two bugs to file
15:40:56 rs: Mark, can you follow up with Dominec
15:41:17 Prsent+ PLH
15:41:27 rs: We're getting two buttons with same ID. Believe fist of those was to have been deleted
15:42:29 plh: A blocking bug?
15:42:31 rs: Yes
15:42:35 q+
15:42:41 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=addHitRegion&colspec=ID+Pri+M+Week+ReleaseBlock+Cr+Status+Owner+Summary+OS+Modified&cells=tiles
15:42:46 rs: FYI I'm on vacation first weeks of July
15:43:08 rs: Believe Dominec thinks bugs are fixed
15:43:27 rs: Mark agreed to follow up.
15:43:36