IRC log of webperf on 2015-06-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-webperf-irc
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- Zakim, this will be web-per
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- ok, trackbot, I see RWC_web-per()3:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 24 June 2015
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- +Plh
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- zakim, ??p8 is Ilya
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- +Ilya; got it
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- +??P9
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- zakim, ??p9 is Bernhard
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- +Bernhard; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- 19:04:23 [plh]
- Regrets+ Yoav
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- agenda+ eview charter feedback and proposed process updates
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- agenda+ time origin & workerStart
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- agenda+ attribute filtering
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- agenda+ revise "return copy"
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- agenda+ credentials in URLs
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- + +1.310.460.aaaa
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- zakim, aaaa is Michael
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- +Michael; got it
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 1. "eview charter feedback and proposed process updates" taken up [from plh]
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- https://w3c.github.io/charter-webperf/
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- Plh: I'll make it official tomorrow
- 19:07:07 [igrigorik]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2015Jun/0080.html
- 19:07:41 [plh]
- /TR/performance-timeline would be in sync with the github draft.
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- /TR/performance-timeline-<n>
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- /TR/performance-timeline
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- todd: should we have a branch in the repo that also contains that snapshot?
- 19:12:00 [plh]
- Ilya: yes, snapshot with a branch seem reasonnable
- 19:12:32 [plh]
- .. so the most recent would be gh-pages?
- 19:12:34 [plh]
- plh: yes
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- Resolved: Performance Timeline 2 can be published as a FPWD
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- Resolved: User Timing 2 can be published as a FPWD
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- Resolved: Server Tming can be published as a FPWD
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- Resolved: Preload can be published as a FPWD
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- /TR/performance-timeline -> /TR/performance-timeline-2
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- /TR/performance-timeline-1
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- Resolved: adopted the new versioning and branching
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- Resolved: WDs should be automatically published
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/navigation-timing-2/
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 2. "time origin & workerStart" taken up [from plh]
- 19:19:18 [igrigorik]
- https://github.com/w3c/hr-time/pull/6
- 19:20:07 [plh]
- Ilya: we should deprecate workerStart in favor of a translated time based approach
- 19:20:43 [mpb]
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- Todd: didn't get feedback from Justin yet, makes sense from him.
- 19:21:05 [plh]
- ... we should wait for Boris to give a +1 as well
- 19:22:06 [plh]
- plh: you don't need to deprecate workerStart. it never made it into a REC. just removing it is fine.
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 3. "attribute filtering" taken up [from plh]
- 19:23:17 [plh]
- https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/11
- 19:23:17 [igrigorik]
- https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/11
- 19:25:15 [plh]
- Ilya: [summarizing the history]. https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/blob/592576c94599a88aa6183d827e54fa46d822cdfb/index.html
- 19:25:53 [plh]
- Todd: ok to merge
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- Ilya: I'll merge and ping the list
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 4. "revise "return copy"" taken up [from plh]
- 19:26:25 [plh]
- https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/issues/20
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- Ilya: Chrome and Firefox do not return a copy of the array
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- ... IE does
- 19:27:41 [plh]
- ... can we remove the "copy"? it's still ok to return a copy
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- Todd: looks good to me
- 19:28:49 [mpb]
- Do we need to change language on the Performance Observer interface too?
- 19:29:40 [plh]
- http://w3c.github.io/performance-timeline/#the-performance-observer-interface
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- Ilya: yes, perf observer shouldn't return a copy either
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 5. "credentials in URLs" taken up [from plh]
- 19:31:43 [plh]
- https://github.com/w3c/resource-timing/issues/7
- 19:32:47 [plh]
- Todd: it's been suggested that exposing credentials in URLs through RT makes it easier to capture the credentials
- 19:33:17 [plh]
- ... the move to Fetch will disallow this and fetch will speak to it
- 19:34:10 [plh]
- Ilya: we can drop the credentials, but you won't get the same value for the url. and if you use different credentials, you won't be able to differentiate it
- 19:35:23 [plh]
- .... I propose to close it as "wontfix"
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- ... and let the browsers make their own decision (ie do as IE by disallowing that type of request)
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- Resolved: wontfix
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- Topic: linkNegotationStart
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- plh: drop it?
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- http://w3c.github.io/navigation-timing/#widl-PerformanceNavigationTiming-linkNegotiationStart
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- Ilya: we haven't been successful at implementing
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- ... we could ressurect it in the future if we have access to the data.
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- Resolved: drop linkNegotiationStart
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- Topic: Navigation Timing 2
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- Todd: ALPN id / nextHopProtocol . has value and no plan for implementation
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- ... ditto for redirectCount
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- ... should we do a snapshot of NT2?
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- plh: pb is that only IE supports it on top of performance timeline
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- [discussion on the need to do snapshots of HRT2, PT2, and RT first]
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- Ilya: open question related to nextHopProtocol into exposing too much networking information
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- Todd: didn't think of that yet
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- Ilya: redirectCount. was about making resource timing multi-fetch friendly
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- ... if NT2 gets defined on top of RT, we won't need that
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- Todd: also some concerns about security/privacy of that one
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- Topic: Call schedule for the summer
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- Ilya: next one is 07/15
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- ... then 08/15
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- s|08/15|08/12|
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- -Michael
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- [adjourned]
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Bernhard
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- -Plh
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- -Ilya
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- Attendees were Plh, Ilya, Bernhard, [Microsoft], +1.310.460.aaaa, Michael
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
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- Chair: Ilya
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