IRC log of pf on 2015-06-24

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 June 2015
15:53:58 [janina]
agenda?
15:54:05 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
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agenda+ Rechartering Continued
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agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
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agenda+ ARIA.Next Items; D-Pub Roles FPWD
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agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:54:23 [janina]
agenda+ be done
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chair+ Janina
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present+ Janina
15:57:47 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ Tzviya_Siegman
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present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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Scribe: JF
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agneda?
16:09:33 [richardschwerdtfeger]
s/agneda/agenda/
16:09:38 [JF]
agenda
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JS: around the table - any comments questions?
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guest on call is George Kershner
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s/Kershner/Kerscher
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cyns: conversation around webapps and HTML re-chartering (etc.)
16:11:13 [JF]
notes an incubator group - thinking about moving WAPA work into that GIT repository
16:11:26 [JF]
good to have a11y join early - "founding member"
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JS:
16:11:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
q+
16:11:43 [JF]
JS: need to look at what else needs to be moved over there
16:12:03 [JF]
cyns: believe that is the reason for the incubator group
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ack rich
16:12:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
ack richardschwerdtfeger
16:12:50 [JF]
RS; suggest waiting a bit, until dust settles - notes large discussion around naming and other bikeshed activities
16:13:16 [JF]
cyns: sees the opportunity to get in on the ground floor
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RS: is there any indication of when this lands as something concrete
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JS: HTML charter expires next week - anticipates a minor extension while this shakes out
16:14:49 [janina]
zakim, take up item 7
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agendum 7. "ARIA.Next Items; D-Pub Roles FPWD" taken up [from janina]
16:15:17 [JF]
JS; looking specifically at the D-Pub Roles FPWD
16:15:39 [JF]
JS: believe all of the issues noted last April have been addressed
16:15:52 [JF]
Out for CfC now -
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if all on call are good, wish to record PF support
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JS: CfC is open until Sunday
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decision will likely be made on Monday of next week
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RS; wants to thank the group for dealing with a number of issues - BRAVO!
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JS +1
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GK: D-Pub folks appear to be happy with this
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notice will go out to D-Pub mailing list as well
16:20:17 [JF]
JS: want to now move to describedat discussion
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RS: are we looking for a forma vote on the D-Pub/ARIA stuff?
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JS: any objections to CfrC
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RESOLUTION: PFWG supports the FPWD of ARIA Digital Publishing
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JS: turning to describedat
16:22:16 [tzviya]
q+
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some believe that we may use annotations instead
16:23:05 [JF]
may look at that, given strong pushback on describedat from some corners
16:23:39 [JF]
RS: what is clear is that we need a direct response from publishers - that this is what they need and they will be using it (commitment)
16:24:01 [JF]
RS: give until mid-August for those signals - need multiple publishers to respond
16:24:13 [JF]
if no movement, then it will drop from spec
16:24:33 [JF]
JS: looking for emails, or looking for participation on an ARIA call?
16:24:37 [JF]
RS: yes, both
16:27:17 [JF]
JS: To re-state - Apple claims to have spoken to publishers, asking them what they need. Apparently those publishers replied that they are being told they need this.
16:27:57 [JF]
Tzviya: we talked about this on the digital publish call - plan is to send out a note explaining the issue
16:28:14 [tzviya]
http://www.w3.org/blog/dpub/2015/06/23/dpub-ig-telco-2015-06-22-aria-stem-survey-css-web-publications/
16:28:23 [JF]
Gist of message is: most publishers are just beginning to embrace accessibility, and all that it offers
16:29:04 [JF]
so, for example, when a publisher goes to Benetech and delivers books, and Benetech explains "you need this", the publishers don't really know/understand the issue
16:29:18 [JF]
so, anticipate seeing a note from our group shortly
16:30:17 [JF]
RS: trying to anticipate how publishers will be using this. Anticipate strong push-back still
16:31:08 [JF]
tzviya: so you want publishers (Random House, etc.) to come to an ARIA meeting and talk about this
16:31:33 [JF]
RS: will be on vacation for part of this time - want to give the publishers enough run-way to prep for this
16:33:12 [JF]
GK: here are my concerns
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publishers may be required to provide more information in their mainstream product than they are used to
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for example, WebGL or Canvas - contracts will require them to make the work accessible
16:35:59 [JF]
tzviya: the fact that it can be used on any element is huge
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(discussion around getting other publishers involved)
16:38:35 [JF]
JS: thanks to the D-Pub folks for joining the call
16:38:36 [janina]
zakim, next item
16:38:36 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
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q?
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ack tz
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
16:39:06 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open [from janina]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:40:47 [JF]
JN: two action son me, need to get on them
16:41:03 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:41:12 [JF]
s/action son/actions on
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MC: DOM 4 Last CAll - we looked at this previously - question around process on this
16:42:07 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dom-20150618/ DOM 4
16:43:00 [JF]
JS: believe that Shane reviewed - nothing for us to be concerned about
16:43:04 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:43:16 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/bgsync/ Web Background Sync Community Group
16:43:48 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/html5kr/ HTML5 Korean Community Group
16:46:22 [JF]
JS: hoping to develop outreach at TPAC
16:46:41 [JF]
cyns: wondering if W3C has translation resources for this kind of outreach
16:47:54 [JF]
JS: suspect this will be developed in the WAI CG that Judy is working on
16:49:21 [JF]
JF: asked about whether multi-language support could grow?
16:49:34 [JF]
MC: complex - it has been discussed but nothing firm
16:49:57 [JF]
JS: there are formal translations of W3C Recommendations
16:50:18 [JF]
MC: right, but those translations are not directly funded by W3C - is volunteered under a process
16:50:36 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:51:38 [JF]
MC: hoping to see something shortly
16:52:00 [JF]
appears we are extended to July 31st, notice to go out along with new charter package proposal
16:52:17 [JF]
JS: should have no impact on publishing plans
16:52:33 [JF]
MC: may have a minor impact on August publishing, but nothing urgent in the queue
16:52:42 [janina]
zakim, next item
16:52:42 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:53:32 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/ARIA Meeting Page notes for ARIA
16:53:38 [JF]
JS: waiting for re-chartering discussions before we can sign-on for attendance.
16:53:40 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA Meeting Page notes for APA
16:53:46 [JF]
wiki pages have been established
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pages now need content / ideas / topics
16:54:39 [JF]
cyns: can we add things to those pages, other ideas (i.e. want to discuss moving WAPA, etc.)
16:54:45 [JF]
MC: note that under the APA page
16:55:38 [JF]
JS: there is a lot of change, and ownership changes - we will want to ensure this is all covered, ensuring that APA continues to perform the overview
16:59:00 [JF]
JS: notes that next week there are 2 major holidays - Canada (July 1) and USA (July 4th) - not sure of impact on meetings next week
17:01:17 [janina]
zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-pf-minutes.html janina