15:53:47 RRSAgent has joined #pf 15:53:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-pf-irc 15:53:49 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:53:49 Zakim has joined #pf 15:53:51 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 15:53:51 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 15:53:52 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 15:53:52 Date: 24 June 2015 15:53:58 agenda? 15:54:05 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 15:54:05 agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open 15:54:05 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 15:54:05 agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ 15:54:08 agenda+ Rechartering Continued 15:54:10 agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below] 15:54:13 agenda+ ARIA.Next Items; D-Pub Roles FPWD 15:54:15 agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization 15:54:18 agenda+ Other Business 15:54:20 agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273 15:54:23 agenda+ be done 15:56:30 chair+ Janina 15:56:38 present+ Janina 15:57:47 zakim, next item 15:57:47 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 15:59:00 tzviya has joined #PF 16:00:27 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #pf 16:01:04 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 16:01:18 present+ Tzviya_Siegman 16:01:24 present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:09:12 JF has joined #PF 16:09:20 Scribe: JF 16:09:24 agneda? 16:09:33 s/agneda/agenda/ 16:09:38 agenda 16:10:00 JS: around the table - any comments questions? 16:10:14 guest on call is George Kershner 16:10:27 s/Kershner/Kerscher 16:10:47 cyns: conversation around webapps and HTML re-chartering (etc.) 16:11:13 notes an incubator group - thinking about moving WAPA work into that GIT repository 16:11:26 good to have a11y join early - "founding member" 16:11:28 JS: 16:11:32 q+ 16:11:43 JS: need to look at what else needs to be moved over there 16:12:03 cyns: believe that is the reason for the incubator group 16:12:19 ack rich 16:12:47 ack richardschwerdtfeger 16:12:50 RS; suggest waiting a bit, until dust settles - notes large discussion around naming and other bikeshed activities 16:13:16 cyns: sees the opportunity to get in on the ground floor 16:13:56 RS: is there any indication of when this lands as something concrete 16:14:29 JS: HTML charter expires next week - anticipates a minor extension while this shakes out 16:14:49 zakim, take up item 7 16:14:49 agendum 7. "ARIA.Next Items; D-Pub Roles FPWD" taken up [from janina] 16:15:17 JS; looking specifically at the D-Pub Roles FPWD 16:15:39 JS: believe all of the issues noted last April have been addressed 16:15:52 Out for CfC now - 16:16:12 if all on call are good, wish to record PF support 16:16:37 JS: CfC is open until Sunday 16:17:16 decision will likely be made on Monday of next week 16:17:39 RS; wants to thank the group for dealing with a number of issues - BRAVO! 16:17:41 JS +1 16:18:27 GK: D-Pub folks appear to be happy with this 16:18:42 jamesn has joined #pf 16:18:57 notice will go out to D-Pub mailing list as well 16:20:17 JS: want to now move to describedat discussion 16:20:53 RS: are we looking for a forma vote on the D-Pub/ARIA stuff? 16:21:09 JS: any objections to CfrC 16:21:57 RESOLUTION: PFWG supports the FPWD of ARIA Digital Publishing 16:22:15 JS: turning to describedat 16:22:16 q+ 16:22:48 some believe that we may use annotations instead 16:23:05 may look at that, given strong pushback on describedat from some corners 16:23:39 RS: what is clear is that we need a direct response from publishers - that this is what they need and they will be using it (commitment) 16:24:01 RS: give until mid-August for those signals - need multiple publishers to respond 16:24:13 if no movement, then it will drop from spec 16:24:33 JS: looking for emails, or looking for participation on an ARIA call? 16:24:37 RS: yes, both 16:27:17 JS: To re-state - Apple claims to have spoken to publishers, asking them what they need. Apparently those publishers replied that they are being told they need this. 16:27:57 Tzviya: we talked about this on the digital publish call - plan is to send out a note explaining the issue 16:28:14 http://www.w3.org/blog/dpub/2015/06/23/dpub-ig-telco-2015-06-22-aria-stem-survey-css-web-publications/ 16:28:23 Gist of message is: most publishers are just beginning to embrace accessibility, and all that it offers 16:29:04 so, for example, when a publisher goes to Benetech and delivers books, and Benetech explains "you need this", the publishers don't really know/understand the issue 16:29:18 so, anticipate seeing a note from our group shortly 16:30:17 RS: trying to anticipate how publishers will be using this. Anticipate strong push-back still 16:31:08 tzviya: so you want publishers (Random House, etc.) to come to an ARIA meeting and talk about this 16:31:33 RS: will be on vacation for part of this time - want to give the publishers enough run-way to prep for this 16:33:12 GK: here are my concerns 16:33:34 publishers may be required to provide more information in their mainstream product than they are used to 16:34:03 for example, WebGL or Canvas - contracts will require them to make the work accessible 16:35:59 tzviya: the fact that it can be used on any element is huge 16:36:48 (discussion around getting other publishers involved) 16:38:35 JS: thanks to the D-Pub folks for joining the call 16:38:36 zakim, next item 16:38:36 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina 16:38:42 q? 16:38:46 ack tz 16:38:51 zakim, next item 16:38:51 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:39:04 zakim, close this item 16:39:04 agendum 1 closed 16:39:06 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:39:06 2. Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open [from janina] 16:39:10 zakim, next item 16:39:10 agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina] 16:40:47 JN: two action son me, need to get on them 16:41:03 zakim, next item 16:41:03 agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina] 16:41:12 s/action son/actions on 16:41:48 MC: DOM 4 Last CAll - we looked at this previously - question around process on this 16:42:07 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dom-20150618/ DOM 4 16:43:00 JS: believe that Shane reviewed - nothing for us to be concerned about 16:43:04 zakim, next item 16:43:04 agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina] 16:43:16 -> https://www.w3.org/community/bgsync/ Web Background Sync Community Group 16:43:48 -> https://www.w3.org/community/html5kr/ HTML5 Korean Community Group 16:46:22 JS: hoping to develop outreach at TPAC 16:46:41 cyns: wondering if W3C has translation resources for this kind of outreach 16:47:54 JS: suspect this will be developed in the WAI CG that Judy is working on 16:49:21 JF: asked about whether multi-language support could grow? 16:49:34 MC: complex - it has been discussed but nothing firm 16:49:57 JS: there are formal translations of W3C Recommendations 16:50:18 MC: right, but those translations are not directly funded by W3C - is volunteered under a process 16:50:36 zakim, next item 16:50:36 agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina] 16:51:38 MC: hoping to see something shortly 16:52:00 appears we are extended to July 31st, notice to go out along with new charter package proposal 16:52:17 JS: should have no impact on publishing plans 16:52:33 MC: may have a minor impact on August publishing, but nothing urgent in the queue 16:52:42 zakim, next item 16:52:42 agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below] 16:53:32 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/ARIA Meeting Page notes for ARIA 16:53:38 JS: waiting for re-chartering discussions before we can sign-on for attendance. 16:53:40 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA Meeting Page notes for APA 16:53:46 wiki pages have been established 16:54:01 pages now need content / ideas / topics 16:54:39 cyns: can we add things to those pages, other ideas (i.e. want to discuss moving WAPA, etc.) 16:54:45 MC: note that under the APA page 16:55:38 JS: there is a lot of change, and ownership changes - we will want to ensure this is all covered, ensuring that APA continues to perform the overview 16:59:00 JS: notes that next week there are 2 major holidays - Canada (July 1) and USA (July 4th) - not sure of impact on meetings next week 17:01:17 zakim, bye 17:01:17 Zakim has left #pf 17:01:42 rrsagent, make minutes 17:01:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-pf-minutes.html janina