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18:45:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
18:45:52 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:45:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
18:45:53 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2015
18:46:02 <clown> agenda: this
18:46:14 <clown> agenda+ Question about noting new ARIA 1.1 features, as is done in the main spec.
18:46:22 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-714 (All) Need mapping of aria-roledescription.
18:46:29 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1527: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for aria-current.
18:46:37 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1529: (Joseph/Joanie) ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-current.
18:46:44 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1535: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-current.
18:46:59 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1533: (Joanie) Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests.
18:47:04 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1541: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal.
18:47:11 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1547: (Rich) Update test cases for rowgroup.
18:47:20 <clown> agenda+ Bugzilla-28816 (All)  Some ARIA roles lacking explicit a11y API role mappings.
18:47:35 <clown> agenda+ Action/issue triage (https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23)
18:47:41 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:47:52 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:48:04 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:00:44 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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19:01:23 <joanie> no
19:01:33 <joanie> s/no//
19:05:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/graphics.html
19:06:43 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:09:45 <joanie> regrets: Cynthia_Shelly, Bryan_Garaventa
19:10:01 <joanie> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:10:11 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:10:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Question about noting new ARIA 1.1 features, as is done in the main spec." taken up [from clown]
19:10:28 <clown> [ARIA 1.1]
19:10:34 <joanie> JS: I've noticed that when Joanie is adding new features like aria-roledescription, she puts in the above notation.
19:10:48 <joanie> JS: I was thinking of doing the same thing in the mapping spec. Opinions?
19:10:58 <joanie> RS: I think it's a good idea because it will help with testing.
19:11:08 <joanie> JS: I'm going to do exactly what she is doing.
19:11:13 <joanie> RS: What if we deprecate things?
19:11:23 <joanie> JS: Put the phrase "deprecated"?
19:11:38 <joanie> RS: It might not be a bad thing.
19:11:43 <joanie> RS: I think that's on the agenda tomorrow.
19:12:17 <joanie> JS: There are going to be a couple things wrt testing. For instance in 1.0, the mapping for rowgroup was nothing; now it will be something. Will that get an [ARIA 1.1] beside it?
19:12:31 <joanie> RS: If it's a new mapping, you probably should do it.
19:16:01 <joanie> (Group discusses how to mark changes in existing features)
19:16:20 <joanie> JD: I will go through the ARIA spec and be sure changes are marked in the spec text (and not just the ChangeLog).
19:16:27 <joanie> JS: I think we should also do this in the mapping spec.
19:16:48 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:16:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-714 (All) Need mapping of aria-roledescription." taken up [from clown]
19:16:55 <clown> issue-714?
19:16:55 <trackbot> issue-714 -- Need mappings for aria-roledesription -- open
19:16:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/714
19:17:02 <joanie> JS: We need to assign actions to figure out the mapping for aria-roledescription.
19:17:12 <joanie> JS: The only place we don't need this is Apple's AX API.
19:17:20 <joanie> RS: What are you going to do for ATK/AT-SPI?
19:17:27 <joanie> JS: I'm going to give Joanie an action.
19:17:37 <clown> action:  joanie to propose the ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-roledescription.
19:17:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1660 - Propose the atk/at-spi mapping for aria-roledescription. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-06-30].
19:18:02 <clown> action:  Cynthia ot propose UIA Express and UIA mappings for aria-description.
19:18:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1661 - Ot propose uia express and uia mappings for aria-description. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-06-30].
19:18:27 <clown> action:  Alex to propose IA2 mapping for aria-description.
19:18:27 <trackbot> Error finding 'Alex'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
19:18:57 <clown> action:  surkov to propose IA2 mapping for aria-description
19:18:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1662 - Propose ia2 mapping for aria-description [on Alexander Surkov - due 2015-06-30].
19:19:08 <clown> action-1661
19:19:08 <trackbot> action-1661 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ot propose uia express and uia mappings for aria-description. -- due 2015-06-30 -- OPEN
19:19:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1661
19:20:29 <joanie> JD: I've emailed the ATK maintainer Alejandro Piñeiro, but here's what I think will happen:
19:20:53 <joanie> JD: We'll have to expose it as an object attribute for now because I'm pretty sure there is no other API through which we can expose it.
19:21:25 <joanie> JD: After that, we can add the missing API to ATK/AT-SPI2 and then updating the mapping spec accordingly.
19:21:57 <joanie> JS: And we'll need this done in time for testing.
19:22:18 <joanie> JS: I've created three actions, one for Cynthia, one for Joanie, and one for Alex for the platform mappings for aria-roledescription.
19:22:29 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:22:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1527: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for aria-current." taken up [from clown]
19:22:41 <joanie> JS: Cynthia is not here.
19:22:45 <clown> action-1527?
19:22:45 <trackbot> action-1527 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the proper uia mappings for aria-current -- due 2015-08-19 -- OPEN
19:22:45 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1527
19:23:14 <joanie> JS: Nothing added to the action itself, but the due date is now August 19th. Is that too far out, Rich?
19:23:21 <joanie> RS: When is the ship date for Windows 10?
19:23:38 <joanie> RS: I don't think that date is unrealistic, but I'd check with her before then.
19:30:43 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:30:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-1529: (Joseph/Joanie) ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-current." taken up [from clown]
19:32:13 <clown> action-1529?
19:32:13 <trackbot> action-1529 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Investigate the proper atk/at-spi mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
19:32:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1529
19:32:30 <joanie> JS: This was Joanie's, re-assigned to me, and now I have a further question.
19:33:11 <joanie> JS: You pointed out STATE_ACTIVE as the mapping, but what do we do with the values, like "page," "location," etc.
19:33:45 <joanie> JD: I updated the action to suggest exposing the value as an object attribute.
19:33:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-current
19:33:54 <joanie> JD: I still think that STATE_ACTIVE would make sense.
19:33:55 <clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-current
19:34:06 <joanie> RS: But you can have multiple "active" items in the page, right?
19:34:15 <joanie> RS: (Reads from the spec)
19:34:20 <joanie> RS: It's for the container.
19:34:33 <joanie> RS: So if you're okay with multiple "active" items, ok.
19:34:41 <joanie> RS: What is the definition of ATK_STATE_ACTIVE?
19:35:03 <joanie> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/atk-AtkState.html#AtkState
19:35:17 <joanie> ATK_STATE_ACTIVE
19:35:18 <joanie> Indicates a window is currently the active window, or an object is the active subelement within a container or table. ATK_STATE_ACTIVE should not be used for objects which have ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE or ATK_STATE_SELECTABLE: Those objects should use ATK_STATE_FOCUSED and ATK_STATE_SELECTED respectively. ATK_STATE_ACTIVE is a means to indicate that an object which is not focusable and not selectable is the currently-active item within its parent container.
19:35:37 <joanie> RS: Do we have something similar for IA2?
19:35:48 <clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/_accessible_states_8idl.html#aafecbfb195aaf7050dc8f75a7833bd5fabf466265c1f5b45dd53c86deb28220bc
19:36:00 <clown> IA2 state active link above
19:38:44 <joanie> RS: I think this is fine for IA2.
19:39:59 <joanie> RS: What does AX API have?
19:40:08 <joanie> agenda?
19:40:27 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:40:27 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ACTION-1535: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-current." taken up [from clown]
19:40:30 <clown> action-1535?
19:40:30 <trackbot> action-1535 -- James Craig to Investigate the axapi mappings for aria-current. -- due 2014-11-25 -- OPEN
19:40:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1535
19:40:37 <joanie> JS: I emailed James, but he's not yet responded.
19:43:31 <clown> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/ApplicationKit/Protocols/NSAccessibility_Protocol/index.html
19:43:34 <joanie> https://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/mac/accessibility/roles-exposed-expected.txt
19:46:25 <joanie> https://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/accessibility/roles-exposed-expected.txt
19:48:16 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:48:16 <Zakim> agendum 6. "ACTION-1533: (Joanie) Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests." taken up [from clown]
19:48:20 <clown> action-1533?
19:48:20 <trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2015-06-02 -- OPEN
19:48:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
19:48:27 <joanie> JD: Put it off another month please.
19:49:17 <clown> I'll edit the action and move it to Jul 23.
19:50:27 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:50:27 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ACTION-1541: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal." taken up [from clown]
19:50:40 <clown> action-1541?
19:50:40 <trackbot> action-1541 -- James Craig to Investigate and propose mappings for aria-modal property for axapi. -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN
19:50:40 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1541
19:50:42 <joanie> JS: I've pinged James on this one.
19:51:29 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jun/0077.html
19:51:44 <joanie> JS: The above email is what I sent him.
19:51:56 <joanie> JS: (Reads from email)
19:52:21 <joanie> JS: AX API is the only mapping I've not yet done for aria-modal.
19:54:04 <joanie> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566
19:55:14 <joanie> JD: The above is a link to the issue filed by James to add support for aria-modal in WebKit.
19:55:46 <joanie> JS: I'll add this bug to our action.
20:00:09 <joanie> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/AppKit/Reference/NSAccessibility_Protocol_Reference/index.html#//apple_ref/occ/intfp/NSAccessibility/accessibilityModal
20:02:19 <joanie> agenda?
20:02:28 <clown> action-1547?
20:02:28 <trackbot> action-1547 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Update test test cases involving rowgroup to ensure they are included within a grid container and to ensure that the expected result matches the new mappings -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN
20:02:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1547
20:02:29 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 8
20:02:29 <Zakim> agendum 8. "ACTION-1547: (Rich) Update test cases for rowgroup." taken up [from clown]
20:02:44 <joanie> RS: We discussed this last week, didn't we?
20:02:48 <joanie> JS: The test cases?
20:03:04 <joanie> RS: Oh. Maybe August 19th.
20:04:54 <joanie> Zakim, part
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