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14:00:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:00:57 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:00:57 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2015
14:00:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:03 <chaals> agenda?
14:01:05 <chaals> agenda+ agenda additions, waiting for people to turn up. 11:00 - 11:05
14:01:06 <chaals> agenda+ face to face meeting in Zaragoza - https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/HAT2015-zaragoza
14:01:06 <chaals> agenda+ alternative text guidance status?
14:01:06 <chaals> agenda+ canvas 2D
14:01:07 <chaals> agenda+ transcript draft - https://github.com/chaals/html-transcript
14:01:07 <chaals> agenda+ Bug Triage status
14:01:07 <chaals> agenda+ Date pickers
14:01:10 <chaals> chair: chaals
14:01:16 <chaals> regrets: ShaneM
14:03:05 <janina_> The Coordination Call for the HTML-A11Y TF should be on now, but in a different channel.
14:04:21 <chaals> s/he Coordination Call for the HTML-A11Y TF should be on now, but in a different channel.//
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14:51:14 <chaals> chaals has changed the topic to: #html-a11y HTML Accessibility TF: 11am Boston, https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m698e501ae0e49419de5fe033e83179be
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14:58:10 <janina_> present+ Janina
14:58:32 <chaals> Present+ Léonie
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14:58:42 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
14:58:42 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:01:38 <paulc> Good thing I arrived a little early.
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15:02:34 <paulc> I get a "Connecting"  icon.  Has the meeting started?
15:03:06 <chaals> s/I get a "Connecting"  icon.  Has the meeting started?//
15:03:18 <chaals> s/Good thing I arrived a little early.//
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15:04:25 <chaals> Present+ PLH
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15:05:06 <chaals> Present+ PaulC
15:05:55 <chaals> agenda+ HTML plan
15:05:57 <chaals> agenda?
15:05:59 <janina_> John, We're starting the call ...
15:06:32 <janina_> There's also direct dial: +1.617.324.0000
15:06:41 <paulc> If Janina is here I would like an update on https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015Jun/0014.html
15:06:44 <chaals> Regrets+ Liam
15:06:55 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/18-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:07:27 <chaals> agenda+ new process for documents?
15:07:42 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 1
15:07:42 <Zakim> agendum 1, agenda additions, waiting for people to turn up. 11:00 - 11:05, closed
15:07:44 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:44 <Zakim> 2. face to face meeting in Zaragoza - https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/HAT2015-zaragoza [from chaals]
15:07:45 <janina_> scribe: janina
15:07:59 <janina_> present+ jf
15:08:35 <chaals> zakim, take up item 2
15:08:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "face to face meeting in Zaragoza - https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/HAT2015-zaragoza" taken up [from chaals]
15:09:03 <janina_> Challs has created a registration page -- Chaals and Steve registered so far
15:09:14 <janina_> Free accomodations are available
15:10:22 <chaals> s/Challs/CMN: chaals/
15:10:29 <chaals> zakim, next topic
15:10:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', chaals
15:10:34 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:10:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "alternative text guidance status?" taken up [from chaals]
15:10:52 <janina_> No Liam or Shane today. So deferred.
15:11:13 <janina_> There are related bugs dependent on this draft.
15:11:34 <chaals> s/Free/… Free/
15:11:46 <janina_> Chaals, proposes we set this task aside pending to be continued however HTML decides to work going forward
15:11:53 <janina_> Paul: Won't that delay even further
15:12:00 <chaals> Present+ JudyB
15:12:14 <chaals> JS: Understand from Shane that there is activity on that expected from Liam.
15:12:27 <chaals> JB: Liam is out this morning so cannot report on that.
15:12:42 <janina_> Paul: Perhaps we should ask for a written report on this?
15:12:54 <janina_> Judy: Have done, and will followup
15:13:16 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:13:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "canvas 2D" taken up [from chaals]
15:13:38 <chaals> Present+ RichS
15:14:29 <janina_> PLH: We have a CR draft -- close to LC except for 2 typos
15:14:44 <janina_> PLH: We have left over bugs
15:15:08 <paulc> HTML WG CfC request: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015Jun/0016.html
15:15:10 <chaals> q+
15:15:15 <janina_> PLH: Have closed the bugs because no longer relevant
15:15:38 <janina_> PLH: Look at the "Won't Fix" to see them
15:15:49 <chaals> s/HTML WG CfC request:/->/
15:15:56 <janina_> plh: End of CR will be July 26
15:16:12 <chaals> s/.html/.html HTML WG CfC/
15:16:49 <paulc> present+
15:17:24 <janina_> plh: We have identified what's missing -- tests to write and run
15:17:36 <janina_> Chaals: Do we expect they'll pass?
15:17:45 <janina_> Paul: That's what CR is for!
15:17:55 <janina_> Rich: We don't expect the spec would change
15:17:59 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:17:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, chaals
15:18:02 <chaals> q?
15:18:03 <chaals> q-
15:18:08 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:18:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "transcript draft - https://github.com/chaals/html-transcript" taken up [from chaals]
15:18:35 <janina_> Chaals: Have substantially updated in the past day
15:19:03 <janina_> Chaals: Draft shows what tech solutions for transcript
15:19:20 <janina_> Chaals: Shows problems using src:
15:19:38 <janina_> Chaals: Would like to formally get this adopted as a TF work item
15:19:55 <chaals> Present+ SteveF
15:20:02 <janina_> Chaals: Proposes to run a CfC on this question
15:20:18 <paulc> q+
15:20:23 <chaals> ack pa
15:20:58 <janina_> Paul: Wondering where to look for how this proposal relates to old issues on the question of a transcript
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15:21:29 <janina_> Chaals: Pointer to the Wiki, which references, but we need to aded that kind of material
15:21:45 <janina_> Chaals: Also, we need to add Use Cases and Requirements
15:21:57 <janina_> Paul: Encourages this
15:22:47 <janina_> Chaals: To restate the obvious, this needs to come from HTML Media eventually, but we can move this forward in the meantime.
15:22:59 <paulc> q+
15:23:05 <chaals> JS: Do we intend this becomes a task force extension, or hand it over?
15:23:07 <chaals> q+
15:23:09 <chaals> ack paulc
15:23:16 <paulc> Would the best forum for this work be the proposed ICG?
15:23:25 <janina_> Janina: Wonders who ends up owning and publishing this spec?
15:23:30 <chaals> ack me
15:23:35 <janina_> Paul: Should it be in the Incubator CC?
15:24:12 <janina_> Chaals: Happily deferring the question of whether extension spec, who owns, etc
15:24:12 <JF> Q+ to say where it lives is less important than the fact we keep moving forward with this
15:24:34 <janina_> PLH: Think it's good to shop this around for now
15:24:41 <chaals> ack jf
15:24:41 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to say where it lives is less important than the fact we keep moving forward with this
15:25:15 <janina_> jf: An important question, but most important that we not lose this feature
15:25:28 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:25:28 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Bug Triage status" taken up [from chaals]
15:25:45 <janina_> Leonie: Met past Friday
15:26:27 <janina_> Leonie: Need to understand how we make changes in the HTML spec before we can close a number of the bugs
15:27:01 <paulc> q+
15:27:02 <janina_> SF: Much of the problem is the WHAT content being auto imported into 5.1
15:27:20 <janina_> SF: Also the pending modularizaion of the spec docs
15:27:52 <paulc> Wouldn't the best plan be to add the proposed solution text to each bug and then later we can figure out how to actually make the changes.
15:27:52 <chaals> ack pa
15:28:13 <chaals> q+ to say yes…
15:28:45 <janina_> Chaals: Believe that's what we're doing with the bugs
15:29:10 <janina_> Paul: If these are 5.0 bugs -- Any thoughts for errata?
15:29:14 <chaals> q+
15:29:37 <janina_> sf: The process for errata is up in the air -- even for spelling errors
15:29:44 <chaals> ack me
15:29:44 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to say yes… and to
15:30:43 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:30:43 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Date pickers" taken up [from chaals]
15:30:45 <janina_> Chaals: So, good progress, but blocked on how we actually accomplish the edits
15:31:01 <janina_> Chaals: Stuck
15:31:32 <janina_> Chaals: Have proposed this as an item for the F2F
15:32:02 <plh> q+
15:32:14 <chaals> ack pl
15:32:16 <janina_> Chaals: I'm interested to own this item
15:32:34 <janina_> PLH: i18n is one of the main issues
15:32:51 <chaals> s/item/item, but even more interested in offers from others to do so/
15:33:06 <chaals> JS: Seems you could do a lot of things if people agreed on a simple ISO interchange…
15:33:15 <paulc> How close is this to the work of the Editing TF?
15:33:22 <chaals> q+
15:33:30 <LJWatson> Q+
15:33:47 <janina_> PLH: Styling is another concern
15:33:49 <chaals> PLH: The goal is to provide a UI, too, and that doesn't work. A major problem is stylability - if you can't style them people don't want to use them.
15:34:00 <chaals> ack me
15:34:03 <chaals> ack lj
15:34:04 <LJWatson> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Datepickers
15:34:12 <janina_> Leonie: Collecting info
15:34:33 <janina_> plh: Web componants possible approach
15:35:18 <janina_> Chaals: A lot of consensus on the problems, but not on solutions
15:35:20 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:35:20 <Zakim> agendum 8. "HTML plan" taken up [from chaals]
15:36:14 <janina_> plh: Current proposal is to split into several groups
15:36:31 <janina_> plh: No particular set of details solves all concerns
15:36:40 <chaals> s/Current proposal is to/Most recent proposal was a/
15:36:43 <janina_> plh: However, idea is to merge with Web Apps
15:37:01 <chaals> s/split into/split of HTML and Webapps/
15:37:14 <janina_> plh: So Would be Web Apps WG and a Media WG
15:38:33 <janina_> PLH: Also discussion of splitting the HTML spec document itself
15:38:58 <janina_> plh: Proposal is a 12-month charter to see how the new arrangement works
15:39:37 <janina_> plh: Merging avoids duplicated overhead
15:39:53 <janina_> plh: We have 4 proposed Co-Chairs
15:40:36 <janina_> plh: Also to have 3 team contacts
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15:41:07 <janina_> plh: We're increasingly comfortable using github
15:41:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
15:41:29 <janina_> plh: We're working on set of tools to help groups track work in github
15:42:08 <janina_> plh: Notes it's possible to get github to update via email, even to the extent that it behaves much like an email list
15:42:41 <janina_> plh: Notes underlying pipeline for media support is an important work item
15:43:14 <janina_> plh: Current HTML to be extended by 3 months while the above is under consideration
15:43:39 <janina_> plh: Would allow for completing Canvas 2D and DOM4
15:44:01 <chaals> q?
15:44:06 <chaals> q+
15:44:30 <janina_> Chaals: One obvious question is what happens to this TF if the HTML-WG goes away
15:44:40 <janina_> Chaals: At the moment, we don't know
15:45:05 <janina_> Chaals: Notes that Web Apps work approach is different from HTML
15:45:22 <janina_> Chaals: Organizes informally around particular spec docs
15:46:01 <plh> q+
15:46:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
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15:46:22 <janina_> Chaals: Believes it's an a11y friendly environment up front
15:46:49 <LJWatson> +1 to Chaals.
15:46:52 <janina_> Chaals: Notes that TF Chairs have just begun discussion on how things might work
15:47:15 <janina_> Chaals: Good news is that trust and communications are not the concerns
15:47:39 <chaals> ack me
15:47:41 <janina_> Chaals: Am confident that we can develop a solution that accomodates different styles of participants
15:47:41 <chaals> ack pl
15:48:26 <janina_> plh: Noting preferences for telecons, f2f, email, github --- a challenge
15:49:16 <janina_> plh: Has noted that people have sometimes not known how to review/evaluate Web Apps specs -- how do they fit together?
15:49:24 <LJWatson> q+
15:49:52 <janina_> plh: Encourages discussion on how to deal with the complexities
15:50:05 <janina_> Rich: What's the tie in with CSS?
15:50:10 <LJWatson> ack me
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15:50:17 <janina_> plh: Using CSS to illustrate spec complexity
15:50:37 <janina_> Rich: We have problems with things like Flexbox, Content injection, etc in CSS
15:51:19 <janina_> plh: Believe CSS-WG willing to address issues
15:52:16 <paulc> q+
15:52:17 <janina_> Chaals: Out of scope for this meeting
15:52:46 <chaals> ack paul
15:53:03 <janina_> Paul: This TF a bridge between HTML and PF
15:53:23 <janina_> Paul: There are explicit mentions of PF relations in the new charter; PF should review the proposed Charter
15:53:45 <janina_> Paul: Notes some specs copublished with PF
15:54:16 <chaals> -> https://github.com/w3c/charter-html proposed HTML charter
15:54:33 <paulc> s/HTML/super group/
15:55:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
15:57:17 <chaals> zakim, take up next item
15:57:17 <Zakim> agendum 9. "new process for documents?" taken up [from chaals]
15:58:23 <chaals> JS: expect to run a CfC and get a positive answer in about aweek
15:59:10 <janina_> Paul: It's one thing to put things in the new process, and something else to go automated
15:59:57 <plh> q+
16:00:02 <chaals> ack pl
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16:00:28 <SteveF> Q+
16:01:00 <chaals> zakim, close the queue
16:01:00 <Zakim> ok, chaals, the speaker queue is closed
16:01:02 <chaals> ack ste
16:01:23 <chaals> PLH: we are looking at putting notes onto the automatic publishing train.
16:02:03 <janina_> zakim, bye
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16:02:09 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/18-html-a11y-minutes.html janina_
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