IRC log of aria-apg on 2015-06-15

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 June 2015
17:07:11 [mattking]
Agenda+ New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)
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Agenda+ Listbox pattern review of latest edits https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#Listbox
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Agenda+ Autocomplete design pattern review http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#autocomplete
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scribe: matt_king
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1. "New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)" taken up [from mattking]
17:09:07 [LJWatson]
present+ LJWatson
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present+ matt_king
17:09:16 [Ryladog]
Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:09:24 [annabbott]
present+ AnnAbbott
17:10:06 [mattking]
present+ bryan_g
17:11:08 [mattking]
Postponing first agendum since James N is not present.
17:11:20 [mattking]
zakim, take up next item
17:11:20 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Listbox pattern review of latest edits https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#Listbox" taken up [from mattking]
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present+ Bryan_Garaventa
17:20:13 [mattking]
BG: should we mention checked state?
17:20:37 [mattking]
MK: May create ambiguity around whether checked and selected are equivalent
17:21:26 [mattking]
AA: Under description, 3 rd para, there is an "is" that should be "as".
17:24:07 [mattking]
Birkir: the pattern suggest that tabindex may be 0 or greater.
17:24:26 [mattking]
Birkir: I do not like to encourage values greater 0.
17:24:39 [mattking]
AA: agree; let's delete that.
17:26:24 [mattking]
LW: I am a bit hesitant about the content advice WRT the length of listbox options and whether they should start with common strings.
17:26:37 [mattking]
LW: is it appropriate for the APG?
17:29:36 [mattking]
LW: do we want to go down the path of providing that kind of advice for every pattern and for all types of AT users.
17:31:10 [mattking]
AA: don't want to lose that? where should it go?
17:31:19 [mattking]
LW: probably in WCAG.
17:35:04 [LJWatson]
ACTION: Léonie to reach out to Andrew and Joshue to ask about WCAG techniques to support guidance in the ARIA APG 1.1.
17:35:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1652 - Reach out to andrew and joshue to ask about wcag techniques to support guidance in the aria apg 1.1. [on Léonie Watson - due 2015-06-22].
17:35:19 [LJWatson]
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17:38:39 [mattking]
AA: in last paragraph of description, change the numerals to words.
17:41:24 [mattking]
LW: under roles, it should say each option should have a "role of option"
17:41:29 [Ryladog]
Please use the Techniques Submission Form to submit techniques.http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/TECHS-SUBMIT/
17:41:56 [mattking]
AA: in type ahead, there is another number that should be a word.
17:44:53 [mattking]
birkir: kb interaction, 5th bullet, up and move should be changed to up and down arrow.
17:46:08 [mattking]
birkir: home and end are missing for moving to beginning and end
17:50:58 [mattking]
mk: ctrl+a seems english-centric. Is that something we should address in a note?
17:53:03 [mattking]
AA: Will ask team in China what their equivalent is.
17:53:55 [mattking]
action: Ann to find out what Chinese equivalent to ctrl+a is to help guide how we may add a note about internationalization.
17:53:55 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1653 - Find out what chinese equivalent to ctrl+a is to help guide how we may add a note about internationalization. [on Ann Abbott - due 2015-06-22].
17:55:39 [mattking]
action-1653?
17:55:39 [trackbot]
action-1653 -- Ann Abbott to Find out what chinese equivalent to ctrl+a is to help guide how we may add a note about internationalization. -- due 2015-06-22 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1653
17:59:10 [mattking]
birkir: the order of items in the 2 selection models should be the same
17:59:23 [mattking]
mk: up and down arrow are missing from model 2.
17:59:37 [mattking]
mk: up/down should be the first bullet in model 2.
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3. "Autocomplete design pattern review http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#autocomplete" taken up [from mattking]
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MK: Not sure I understand difference between combobox and autocomplete; both patterns mention an edit and a list.
18:08:24 [mattking]
bg: with combox there is an option for it to be readonly
18:08:48 [mattking]
AA: Isn't read-only combo basically a listbox?
18:08:53 [bgaraventa1979]
http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Simulated,%20Readonly)/demo.htm
18:08:58 [mattking]
BG: does not have to be.
18:09:19 [bgaraventa1979]
readonly combobox control with simulated active element container
18:33:48 [mattking]
MK: think autocomplete has its own pattern because it is valid in the aria spec to use the autocomplete property on a textbox.
18:34:22 [mattking]
MK: it is not clear what the difference is between autocomplete on a textbox and autocomplete on a combo means since inline is valid on both.
18:34:37 [mattking]
MK: Will raise discussion on public PF list.
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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