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15:00:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SOCL
15:00:04 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:00:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
15:00:05 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2015
15:00:19 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, this will be SOCIG
15:00:20 <Zakim> ok, elf-pavlik; I see T&S_SOCIG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:34 <AnnB> uh oh .. that's not OK .. trackbot has to get aligned to the IG meeting
15:00:42 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:48 <Zakim> + +1.541.410.aaaa
15:01:00 <elf-pavlik> i just told zakim which meeting happens here :)
15:01:22 <AnnB> you're good on those commands
15:02:04 <AnnB> trying to dial ... getting busy signal
15:02:29 <Zakim> +??P1
15:02:57 <Zakim> +Ann
15:03:46 <jaensen> jaensen has joined #social
15:04:17 <Zakim> +??P3
15:05:45 <Lynn> Lynn has joined #social
15:05:49 <guangyuan> Zakim, ?P3 is me
15:05:49 <Zakim> sorry, guangyuan, I do not recognize a party named '?P3'
15:06:02 <guangyuan> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:06:02 <Zakim> +guangyuan; got it
15:06:30 <Lynn> zakim, who is on the call?
15:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.541.410.aaaa, ??P1, Ann, guangyuan
15:07:33 <Lynn> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:07:33 <Zakim> +Lynn; got it
15:08:12 <Zakim> + +1.313.594.aabb
15:08:16 <Lynn> hi elf!
15:08:54 <Lloyd_Fassett> Lloyd_Fassett has joined #social
15:09:04 <AnnB> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-06-10
15:09:18 <EdK_> EdK_ has joined #social
15:10:39 <AnnB> zakim, .aaaa is Lloyd_Fassett
15:10:39 <Zakim> sorry, AnnB, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
15:11:27 <Lynn> zakim, who's on the call?
15:11:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.541.410.aaaa, Lynn, Ann, guangyuan, +1.313.594.aabb
15:11:33 <Lloyd_Fassett> zakim, +1.541.848.aaaa is me
15:11:33 <Zakim> sorry, Lloyd_Fassett, I do not recognize a party named '+1.541.848.aaaa'
15:11:44 <EdK_> zakim, aabb is EdK
15:11:44 <Zakim> +EdK; got it
15:12:14 <Lloyd_Fassett> zakim, aaaa is Lloyd_Fassett
15:12:14 <Zakim> +Lloyd_Fassett; got it
15:13:07 <elf-pavlik> (IRC only) since we have next general telecon in 2 weeks, maybe worth mentioning Zakim going down in 20 days? http://www.w3.org/2015/07/zakim.html
15:13:30 <AnnB> yes, that's true
15:13:32 <elf-pavlik> action-7
15:13:32 <trackbot> action-7 -- Arnaud Le Hors to Set up a doodle poll for next f2f, with 1st week of feb and march -- due 2014-11-04 -- CLOSED
15:13:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/7
15:13:48 <harry> harry has joined #social
15:13:55 <AnnB> Sandro is trying to find out the WebEx info
15:14:01 <elf-pavlik> hi harry - https://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/actions/7
15:14:15 <elf-pavlik> sandro++
15:14:17 <Loqi> sandro has 13 karma
15:14:21 <AnnB> Harry had the action, but is off at a class or somethign
15:15:02 <harry> I am currently working on webcrypto. I emailed the only email I had in my inbox already to the mailing list.
15:15:24 <harry> I recommend using Zakim for today's meeting if Sandro hasn't had time to set up WebEx.
15:15:30 <AnnB> minutes from last meeting:
15:15:31 <AnnB> http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html
15:15:55 <harry> Zakim, who's on phone?
15:15:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, harry.
15:15:56 <AnnB> one change: Guangyuan and Amy were both at the Paris F2F as well
15:17:02 <harry> I can follow in IRC, sorry - in DC in a very loud environment now doing webcrypto demos for W3C.
15:17:18 <AnnB> ok
15:18:50 <AnnB> Guangyuan: <gives his overview of how F2F was for him>
15:19:19 <Zakim> -guangyuan
15:19:28 <AnnB> oh no, lost you!
15:19:33 <EdK_> Guangun: From F2F, Vocabulary could have interaction with microformats and activity streams
15:19:59 <AnnB> s/Guangun/Guangyuan/
15:20:01 <guangyuan> I will connect again, it seems like happen all the time.
15:20:05 <AnnB> darn
15:20:07 <harry> It seems to me, given argument in Working Group, that a mapping from microformats to ActivityVocabulary is absolutely necessary.
15:20:28 <harry> We did this work a bit ages ago in GRDDL WG but its rather rusty and microformats have changed to microformats 2.0 since then.
15:21:20 <elf-pavlik> i moved this out of W3C tracker "existing alignment between h-event / ical: & h-card / vcard: & h-geo / geo":  - https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/issues/13
15:22:12 <EdK_> AnnB: 3 different technical communities discussed social api with code examples, and Guangyuan noted that it could be useful in considerations for vocabulary
15:22:25 <Zakim> +??P3
15:22:40 <guangyuan> zakim, ??Ps is me
15:22:40 <Zakim> sorry, guangyuan, I do not recognize a party named '??Ps'
15:22:48 <guangyuan> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:22:48 <Zakim> +guangyuan; got it
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15:23:53 <EdK_> AnnB: CAll to approve minutes as corrected (who was at F2F)
15:23:59 <EdK_> +1
15:24:07 <guangyuan> +1
15:24:30 <EdK_> AnnB: minutes approved.
15:24:59 <EdK_> AnnB: Last week was Use Case TF, will next week be Use Case or Vocabulary call?
15:25:17 <AnnB> for the upcoming agenda, we need to know
15:25:18 <AnnB> who's meeting when
15:25:19 <AnnB> ?
15:26:01 <AnnB> EdK:  proposes we just stick on Use Case TF for a few weeks, so we make progress
15:26:06 <AnnB> AnnB: +1
15:26:20 <EdK_> EdK: propose making more progress on Use Cases and provide continuity, especially as we get up to speed on GitHub.
15:26:22 <guangyuan> +1
15:26:41 <AnnB> OK .. next meeting will be Use Case TF
15:27:35 <EdK_> AnnB noted no proges over the week on Use Cases (by looking at GitHub)
15:27:53 <AnnB> anyone find GitHub tutorials they liked?
15:28:36 <elf-pavlik> i just sent my super over due tips to mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-interest/2015Jun/0010.html
15:29:16 <guangyuan> This might help: https://guides.github.com/
15:29:18 <EdK_> Thanks elf, read your email and it really helps!
15:29:28 <elf-pavlik> KevinMarks, could you please reply to User posts a file use case? https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues/5
15:29:30 <AnnB> cool, thanks elf!
15:29:47 <AnnB> thanks on that Guangyuan
15:30:08 <AnnB> it's not that hard, but regardless, always a barrier to learn a new tool
15:30:41 <AnnB> Vocabulary TF .. status?
15:30:44 <EdK_> AnnB: Anyone able to give status on Vocabulary task force?
15:31:07 <harry> I'm a bit surprised W3C hasn't made a guide to github yet, but Robin Berjon has a CG working on how to closely integrate it into W3C:
15:31:13 <EdK_> Some discussions are going on in GitHub
15:31:19 <harry> http://w3c.github.io/modern-tooling/
15:31:23 <Zakim> +Arnaud
15:31:28 <elf-pavlik> KevinMarks, also please give feedback on https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues/3
15:32:24 <EdK_> Arnaud is one of the chairs in the Working Group and very welcome to the meeting!
15:32:39 <AnnB> cool, Harry
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15:33:31 <AnnB> elf, there are some social IG open issues in GitHub .. are those active?
15:33:39 <AnnB> or are those your personal to-do's
15:33:50 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues
15:33:55 <AnnB> yes
15:33:59 <AnnB> status on those?
15:34:53 <elf-pavlik> i work step by step on many of those, glad if other participants help with issues they find important
15:34:56 <EdK_> Arnaud: need to establish a protocol about what tool for what effort.
15:35:02 <elf-pavlik> e.g. Extract Vocabulary requirements from API User Stories
15:35:10 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/blob/master/user-stories.md
15:35:59 <EdK_> SocialIG group has defined GitHub for resolving Use Cases with minor objections, we're just trying to get up to speed on the tool itself.
15:36:31 <EdK_> Need to discuss future of IG - what is our goal, is it in support of WG or independent, ir is there even a real role for the IG
15:36:55 <elf-pavlik> this one we could close i hope: https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues/7
15:37:10 <EdK_> We do have a different constituency, but we need to gain traction and focus or call it a day
15:37:42 <Zakim> -guangyuan
15:37:50 <EdK_> Sandro will be taking on some of the W3C responsibilites and was asking what the IG effort is
15:37:55 <AnnB> oh darn, guangyuan
15:38:49 <harry> All good questions
15:39:00 <EdK_> Lynn: feeling like working on the fringes, social isn't core to her expertise
15:39:31 <EdK_> Key business need is to use these technologies to improve our workflow.
15:40:23 <EdK_> Some may be straight forward logistics, but some can be improved with social. And specific value comes when there is discussion involved, such as trip justification
15:40:51 <elf-pavlik> Lynn, http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html#dfn-relationship relates directly to our conversations in https://github.com/hackers4peace/plp-docs/issues/12
15:41:06 <EdK_> Perspective from financial use cases will add value too
15:41:49 <EdK_> Lloyd: use case sounds like more of a vendor issue, perhaps our place in the world is when organizations cross each other.
15:42:18 <EdK_> Opportunity is for group to discuss more implementation.
15:42:38 <EdK_> Don't have a lighthouse organization saying how we need to connect across organizations
15:43:11 <EdK_> q+
15:43:25 <Lynn> What Lloyd is saying makes sense to me
15:44:40 <AnnB> +1
15:45:12 <EdK_> AnnB: Tantek regularly points out how important implemented code is to keep from theoretical that may never happen.
15:45:59 <Lynn> elf, yes for sure, have been studying AS2.0
15:46:13 <EdK_> Lloyd: IG could/should be more of a business flavor, and defining more future based, problems.
15:46:57 <EdK_> Making connections across organizations, having external interactions is a big gap - there is no way to do so today,
15:48:14 <Arnaud> EdK_, you might want to speak up and not wait for the queue at this point
15:48:15 <EdK_> Sure elf
15:48:24 <AnnB> Lloyd: interested in 'social' for HR development
15:48:40 <Arnaud> q+
15:48:44 <Arnaud> ack EdK_
15:49:13 <AnnB> EdK: longer-term interest is how social capabilities are federated
15:49:49 <AnnB> ... ok to start with single-instance capabilities
15:50:22 <AnnB> ... but we (big companies) will be stuck with interoperability problems, inhibiting federation across companies
15:50:37 <AnnB> ... if we don't get to the federation standards
15:50:46 <AnnB> ... we cannot ever use just one vendor solution
15:51:35 <AnnB> ... we (Ford) don't want to have to do the integration
15:51:53 <AnnB> ... how do we do the "internet of social"?
15:52:06 <AnnB> Lynn: I work with peer-to-peer orgs ... same problems
15:52:48 <AnnB> Arnaud: reacting to Lloyd's comments, saying that AnnB's travel workfloww could be solved by one vendor
15:53:07 <AnnB> ... actually harder than you think; need solution that needs to be integrated
15:53:17 <EdK_> Arnaud: First in response to Lloyd re travel approval use case. while it could be solved with current solution, the bigger question is can we solve in broader method?
15:53:18 <AnnB> ... IBM has same problems
15:53:25 <AnnB> ... tools from many vendors
15:53:39 <AnnB> ... therefore need standards
15:53:40 <elf-pavlik> do we have use case for that *travel approval* ?
15:53:51 <AnnB> or any workflow, elf
15:54:05 <EdK_> ... enabling product across vendors, across platforms, across use cases
15:55:12 <elf-pavlik> i remember hearing this 'travel approval' use case during F2F, sounds like something possibly worth to capture...
15:55:49 <EdK_> Arnaud: history of IG was it was a public area where WGs wre closed. Now that WGs are more open, so IGs don't play the same role.
15:56:08 <EdK_> ... usefullness will come from trying to achieve goals like use case effort
15:56:32 <EdK_> ... does provide broader discussion base, so WG can be focused and more narrow
15:57:34 <EdK_> There was a generic purchasing approval developed by the original business community, prior to the IG forming
15:58:11 <EdK_> ...purchasing approval use case
15:58:59 <elf-pavlik> we have this old issue originaly captured on IG wiki: "Not duplicating vocabulary work with the Social Business Working Group" https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues/1
15:59:25 <EdK_> http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/wiki/File:SocialBusiness_UseCase_OrderApproval-20120731-2.pdf
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16:01:28 <AnnB> EdK: one of particular interests of this use case is that the participants aren't necessarily in same system or company
16:01:53 <AnnB> ... social environment becomes the aggregator for the ordering process
16:02:07 <AnnB> ... in "scenario" format
16:03:14 <EdK_> Wrapup:  a lot of examples and contribution, AnnB appreciates the examples people bring as well as how they might contribute to the vocabulary
16:03:30 <EdK_> Lynn volunteered to start an issue in GitHub.
16:03:42 <EdK_> Next meeting is on use cases
16:03:44 <EdK_> 
16:03:48 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett
16:03:50 <Zakim> -Arnaud
16:03:55 <Zakim> -Lynn
16:04:14 <AnnB> trackbot, end meeting
16:04:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:04:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.541.410.aaaa, Ann, guangyuan, Lynn, +1.313.594.aabb, EdK, Lloyd_Fassett, Arnaud
16:04:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-social-minutes.html trackbot
16:04:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:04:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items