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14:14:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:14:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 46 minutes
14:14:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:14:30 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2015
14:14:37 <kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:14:37 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:15:16 <kenny> agenda+ Announcements [from Chairs]
14:15:30 <kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:15:30 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:15:31 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from from Chairs via kenny]
14:15:46 <kenny> zakim, clear agenda
14:15:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:15:59 <kenny> agenda+ Announcements [Chairs]
14:16:24 <kenny> agenda+ QRG Updates [Yatil]
14:16:43 <kenny> agenda+ Summer Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015  [chairs]
14:17:06 <kenny> agenda+ Extension Ideas: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ExtensionIdeas  [chairs]
14:17:11 <kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:17:11 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:17:12 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Chairs via kenny]
14:17:12 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates [from Yatil via kenny]
14:17:12 <Zakim> 3. Summer Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015  [from chairs via kenny]
14:17:13 <Zakim> 4. Extension Ideas: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ExtensionIdeas  [from chairs via kenny]
14:38:31 <kenny> regrets+ Moe_Kraft
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14:59:05 <AWK> Chair: AWK
14:59:09 <AWK> ZAkim, Agenda?
14:59:09 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:59:10 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Chairs via kenny]
14:59:10 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates [from Yatil via kenny]
14:59:10 <Zakim> 3. Summer Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015  [from chairs via kenny]
14:59:11 <Zakim> 4. Extension Ideas: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ExtensionIdeas  [from chairs via kenny]
14:59:46 <Kathy> Kathy has joined #wai-wcag
14:59:55 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
15:00:33 <AWK> regrets+ Moe_Kraft
15:00:41 <AWK> Present+ AWK
15:01:00 <Makoto> present+ Makoto
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15:01:27 <yatil> present+ EricE
15:02:03 <kenny> present+ kenny
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15:02:58 <Louis_Cheng> present+ Louis
15:03:12 <marcjohlic> present+ Marc Johlic
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15:04:19 <bbailey> zakim, who is on the phone
15:04:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', bbailey
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15:04:43 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:04:43 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:04:44 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from Chairs via kenny]
15:04:44 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates [from Yatil via kenny]
15:04:44 <Zakim> 3. Summer Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015  [from chairs via kenny]
15:04:44 <Zakim> 4. Extension Ideas: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ExtensionIdeas  [from chairs via kenny]
15:05:00 <David> Present+
15:05:03 <laura> present+ Laura
15:05:20 <David> Present+ David
15:05:28 <bbailey> present+ Bruce
15:05:32 <Mike_Elledge> present+ Mike E
15:05:37 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:06:05 <bbailey> zakim, who is present?
15:06:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bbailey.
15:06:33 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:06:48 <AWK> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
15:07:19 <yatil> s/Mike E/Mike_E/
15:07:22 <bbailey> * I am glad AWK has handle on this
15:08:14 <Joshue> ack me
15:08:28 <AWK> regrets+ Jon_Avila
15:09:03 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:09:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
15:10:54 <bbailey> sorry, lost webex
15:12:00 <AWK> Scribe: Laura
15:14:17 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
15:14:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements" taken up [from Chairs via kenny]
15:14:42 <bbailey> present+ Bruce_Bailey
15:14:51 <laura> AWK: Loretta left the group
15:15:24 <laura> AWK: Louis is representing Google
15:15:59 <Joshue> Yes- big props out to Loretta
15:19:02 <laura> AWK: We will be wrapping up tech and understanding docs
15:19:25 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:19:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "QRG Updates" taken up [from Yatil]
15:20:07 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
15:20:14 <laura> Eric: Progress from last weeks. Incremental updates.
15:20:16 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/alternative.html
15:20:57 <laura> Eric:  User testing next Tuesday.
15:21:53 <laura> Eric: Will send detialt to group.
15:22:33 <laura> s/detialt E/details/
15:22:56 <Ryladog> */me finally notices that you ask me to mute. Did that help?
15:23:22 <laura> s/detialt/details/
15:24:38 <Joshue> q?
15:25:35 <Ryladog> q+
15:25:37 <laura> Josh: Likes the "srcolling thing"
15:26:04 <Joshue> ack ryla
15:26:42 <laura> Eric: Floating menu works for keyboard users.
15:27:25 <yatil> s/User testing/User feedback sessions/
15:29:00 <laura> David: May want to differentiate between sufficient techiques.
15:31:22 <laura> Josh: One of things strikes me not have feeling of being overwhelmed. Staggering how things are reviealed. Maybe use of icons could help.
15:32:46 <laura> Josh: suggests color coding.
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15:34:33 <laura> Josh: Nice and tidey when click on tags and they shrink.
15:34:43 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:35:15 <laura> David: Maybe change "Understanding" to the other side.
15:35:15 <Joshue> s\tidey\tidy
15:35:35 <laura> Eric: He is working on it.
15:36:34 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:36:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Summer Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015 " taken up [from chairs]
15:37:34 <laura> AWK: Thank you for responses. Please fill out if survey you haven't.
15:39:04 <laura> AWK: Chairs will send out notice for cancellations
15:39:24 <jamesn> will you take care of regrets for meetings based on the responses to this survey
15:39:26 <laura> s\if survey\survey
15:41:34 <laura> AWK: Yes, please send regrets for meetings. It is nice to know. You can bundle them up if needed.
15:42:14 <Mike_Elledge> coup d'etat!
15:42:58 <laura> James: Suggests critical items during summer should be pointed out.
15:43:59 <laura> AWK: Fair enough. Please review resolutions, techniques and read minutes.
15:44:38 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:44:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Extension Ideas: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ExtensionIdeas " taken up [from chairs]
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15:46:54 <laura> AWK: Next survey is on extensions. Will build up over time.
15:47:03 <laura> We have the Wiki Sorted ideas.
15:47:20 <Louis_Cheng> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted
15:47:20 <marcjohlic> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted
15:49:14 <laura> AWK: Collected a lot of ideas over time on the Wiki page. Provided inital thoughts. It is a bit overwelming.
15:49:55 <Ryladog> +1
15:50:02 <laura> AWK: Group needs to figure out next steps.
15:50:55 <laura> AWK: Doesn't want to go through each item one by one on the call.
15:52:35 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:52:41 <laura> AWK: Wants to frame parameter of extensions
15:53:03 <AWK> ack mike
15:53:07 <Joshue> q?
15:54:31 <laura> Mike: Survey ideas for extensions. Looking at WCAG 2.0 as it currently it.
15:54:46 <Joshue> q?
15:55:05 <laura> AWK: We don't know what the list of extensions is going to look like.
15:55:25 <laura> …not sure right now.
15:56:10 <laura> …@@
15:57:39 <laura> Josh: Need a pass on reviews and actionable items.
15:58:15 <laura> Josh: survey may be too broad.
15:58:38 <laura> Josh: Need tangle actions for extensions.
15:58:48 <Joshue> s\tangle\tangible
15:59:45 <laura> AWK: Example Row 14.
16:00:04 <laura> … Promote 1.4.3 from AA to A.
16:00:40 <laura> …straight foreward.
16:01:08 <laura> @@ other example not actioinable.
16:01:55 <Joshue> q?
16:02:08 <laura> s\actioinable\actionable
16:03:35 <laura> AWK: Altenative approach use Wiki page.
16:03:54 <laura> Josh: Wiki page is getting too unwelding.
16:05:14 <AWK> s/unwelding/unwieldy
16:06:16 <laura> Josh: "What should WCAG do?"column should be group consensus.
16:06:26 <Bruce_Bailey> q+
16:06:53 <laura> ...@@ working group members can make suggestions.
16:08:51 <Joshue> ack bruce
16:08:58 <laura> AWK: "Assigned to" group member shoud complete the "What should WCAG do?" column. Don’t force an answer.
16:10:03 <Bruce_Bailey> q-
16:10:07 <laura> Bruce: Suggests doing low hanging fruit first. But it is diffucult to know what those are.
16:11:11 <Joshue> q?
16:11:14 <laura> AWK: WG member take one more pass and fill out "What should WCAG do?" column.
16:11:15 <Kathy> yes
16:11:16 <Mike_Elledge> 1+
16:13:21 <Bruce_Bailey> Bruce volunteers to take a pass at the page and help fill out
16:15:06 <laura> AWK: What is the biggest probelem with WCAG2?
16:15:19 <MichaelC> q+
16:15:26 <Bruce_Bailey> q+
16:15:40 <laura> Kaitie: Normative informative
16:15:50 <MichaelC> q+ to say too confusing to be technology agnostic, while not fully future proofed
16:16:06 <laura> James: Too Big. Too much stuff.
16:16:37 <AWK> James: Developers are confused and overwhelmed
16:16:45 <MichaelC> ack me
16:16:45 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say too confusing to be technology agnostic, while not fully future proofed
16:16:47 <Joshue> ack mic
16:16:47 <laura> … overwhelming
16:17:32 <laura> MichaelC: Designed to be tech agnostic. @@ Confusing.
16:17:55 <laura> David: Agrees with MichaelC.
16:17:59 <Joshue> ack bruce
16:18:06 <Joshue> q+
16:18:30 <Joshue> ack me
16:18:30 <laura> Bruce: People confused by levels.
16:19:13 <laura> Josh: Agrees with James. We don’t see ourselevs defining best practices.
16:20:27 <laura> s\ourselevs\ourselves
16:21:18 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:21:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:21:23 <laura> @@Dissussion on audio descriptions.
16:22:27 <yatil> s|s\tidey\tidy|s/tidey/tidy|
16:22:27 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:22:35 <AWK> Katie: Audio description should always be required.
16:23:12 <laura> s\srcolling\scrolling
16:23:34 <Bruce_Bailey> People are confused that 1.4.3 permits Audio Description *or* Media Alternative and then 1.2.5 requires Audio Description.
16:23:49 <yatil> s|s/tidey/tidy||
16:23:57 <yatil> s/tidey/tidy
16:24:06 <yatil> s|s\if survey\survey||
16:24:12 <yatil> s/if survey/survey
16:24:13 <Makoto> q+
16:24:29 <yatil> s/tangle/tangible
16:24:33 <yatil> s|s\tangle\tangible||
16:24:42 <Joshue> q?
16:24:47 <Joshue> ack mak
16:24:48 <AWK> ack ma
16:24:50 <Bruce_Bailey> q+
16:25:08 <yatil> s/actioinable/actionable
16:25:11 <yatil> s|s\actioinable\actionable||
16:25:22 <Ryladog> yeah Makoto!
16:25:27 <yatil> s/ourselevs/ourselves
16:25:30 <yatil> s|s\ourselevs\ourselves||
16:25:38 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:25:40 <laura> Makoto: Understandability may be the biggest issue.
16:26:05 <AWK> Makoto: Internationally the largest issue is that the usage of English is complex and hard to interpret by foreign speakers.
16:26:47 <yatil> s/ourselevs/ourselves/
16:26:55 <Joshue> ack bruce
16:27:15 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:27:30 <yatil> s/ourselevs/ourselves/
16:27:33 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:27:45 <AWK> MC: Some of the complex wording is to make technology independent
16:27:53 <AWK> Bruce: some criteria are "kitchen sink"-type, like 1.3.1
16:27:53 <laura> Bruce: WCAG 1.0 tables ends up being a kitchen sink.
16:28:04 <Bruce_Bailey> q-
16:28:38 <yatil> s/Need tangle/Need tangible/
16:28:48 <AWK> KathyW: Accessibility Support concept difficult
16:28:54 <jamesn> one more
16:28:58 <yatil> s/not actioinable/not actionable/
16:29:02 <laura> Katie: "accessibility support" can be confusing.
16:29:26 <AWK> JamesN: Conformance concepts are difficult
16:29:38 <yatil> s/srcolling thing//
16:29:45 <laura> James: Concept of conformance is confusing.
16:29:58 <yatil> s/Likes the ""/Likes the "scrolling thing"
16:30:07 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:30:27 <yatil> s|s/details E/details/||
16:30:52 <Bruce_Bailey> s/ * I am glad AWK has handle on this/
16:30:59 <yatil> s|s\tangible\tangible||
16:31:11 <yatil> s|s\ourselves\ourselves||
16:31:27 <yatil> s|s\srcolling\scrolling||
16:31:32 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:31:55 <Joshue> wcag zen
16:32:09 <Mike_Elledge> bye!
16:32:11 <laura> AWK: Thank you everyone.
16:32:14 <yatil> s|s\ourselves\ourselves||
16:32:31 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:32:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:33:35 <laura> Katie: Should we think about an extension for media to require a transcript?
16:34:20 <laura> AWK: Maybe some things get combined.
16:35:06 <laura> yatil, thank you!
16:36:33 <laura> bye
16:36:47 <Makoto> bye!