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14:54:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 76244
14:54:01 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:54:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
14:54:02 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2015
14:54:11 <hhalpin> The teleconstarts in 6 minutes, correct?
14:54:17 <AnnB> yes
14:54:39 <hhalpin> ok, let's hope people remember there's been a time change!
14:54:52 <hhalpin> Zakim, what's the code?
14:54:52 <Zakim> sorry, hhalpin, I don't know what conference this is
14:54:55 <AnnB> what's up with zakim
14:54:57 <hhalpin> Zakim, this is SOCIG
14:54:57 <Zakim> sorry, hhalpin, I do not see a conference named 'SOCIG' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:55:06 <AnnB> aaargh
14:55:17 <hhalpin> Weird, well trackbot figured it out
14:55:36 <AnnB> but we still need zakim, right
14:55:52 <hhalpin> Zakim has been rather flaky, which is why we're going to migrate to WebEx
14:55:57 <hhalpin> I'll ping systems team
14:56:03 <AnnB> yes please
14:56:04 <hhalpin> Worse case, we use an ad-hoc Zakim code
14:56:08 <AnnB> no
14:56:15 <hhalpin> Let me see if Zakim works at all
14:56:21 <hhalpin> Zakim, space for 20 in 5 minutes?
14:56:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hhalpin.
14:56:33 <hhalpin> Not a good sign!
14:56:45 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar.html#s_6438
14:57:08 <hhalpin> Yes, that's what's weird - it's clearly setup correctly internally
14:57:14 <AnnB> i was able to dial in
14:57:15 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, space for 20?
14:57:17 <Zakim> sorry, elf-pavlik; could not schedule an adhoc conference; no bridge connection
14:57:22 <AnnB> on regular num
14:57:24 <hhalpin> Ah, good AnnB
14:57:43 <hhalpin> It may just be that Zakim is having some odd bug connecting IRC to the telecon, but the telecon time is scheduled
14:58:13 <hhalpin> I've just reported it to Systems Team, I highly doubt this is effecting just us
14:58:21 <hhalpin> Anyways, time for the WebEx transition :)
14:58:58 <AnnB> hhalpin, will you please get the info we need for WebEx so everyone can be informed on what they are supposed to do
14:58:59 <hhalpin> FYI, I did re-approve Lloyd and Larry's IE requests for the IE
14:59:05 <AnnB> thanks
14:59:07 <hhalpin> Yes, but we'll do that in June.
14:59:21 <hhalpin> We'll have one month to work out the transition with Zakim as a backup before its discontinued by MIT
14:59:54 <AnnB> I'm suggesting it will be helpful to publish it in advance, so people have time to figure it out
15:00:00 <hhalpin> Groups are just beginning the transition so I'm letting other WGs go through the bugs first :)
15:00:10 <elf-pavlik> present: AnnB, elf-pavlik
15:00:16 <hhalpin> Will do as soon as possible in June.
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15:03:53 <elf-pavlik> hi jasnell
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15:04:13 <hhalpin> So quick notice folks - W3C systems *is* having some problems right now, so Zakim will not work today via IRC.
15:04:42 <elf-pavlik> present: AnnB, elf-pavlik, johnbreslin
15:05:06 <AnnB> also hhalpin is present
15:05:16 <elf-pavlik> present: AnnB, elf-pavlik, johnbreslin, hhalpin
15:05:23 <AnnB> and Ed Krebs
15:05:33 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, draft mintes
15:05:33 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintes', elf-pavlik.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:06:04 <AnnB> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html AnnB
15:06:42 <AnnB> hhalpin explains about the transition to WebEx for meeting audio, instead of Zakim
15:06:42 <elf-pavlik> regrets: Lynn, rhiaro
15:06:49 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:06:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
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15:10:30 <elf-pavlik> jasnell, can we add sioc: (similar as we have foaf:) to AS2.0 spec? http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/#compact-iris
15:10:45 <AnnB> (discussion about what parts of WebEx we will use or not)
15:11:08 <hhalpin> It's a global problem, there is some larger issue with systems. In fact, wikis may be down as well today off and on!
15:11:18 <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to send out Webex instructions
15:11:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Send out webex instructions [on Harry Halpin - due 2015-06-03].
15:11:34 <elf-pavlik> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-05-27
15:11:43 <hhalpin> chair: AnnB
15:11:57 <elf-pavlik> present: AnnB, elf-pavlik, johnbreslin, hhalpin, EdK
15:12:22 <EdK> EdK will scribe
15:12:31 <elf-pavlik> scribenick: EdK
15:12:37 <AnnB> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-05-27
15:12:40 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:12:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
15:12:59 <EdK> Ann: last few weeks sketchy for attendance, agenda. See agenda in link above.
15:13:04 <hhalpin> Yes, minutes are being taken etc.
15:13:35 <EdK> Last full meeting April 15. Call for minutes approval
15:13:39 <elf-pavlik> +1
15:13:45 <hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2015/4/15-socialig-minutes.html
15:13:55 <EdK> Minutes approved.
15:14:24 <EdK> Several informal meetings. Minutes are available for the vocabulary session.
15:15:09 <EdK> Not formal minutes, no need to approve.
15:15:32 <EdK> Guangyuan sends regrets
15:15:49 <elf-pavlik> regrets: Lynn, rhiaro, guangyuan
15:16:21 <hhalpin> +1 the f2f meeting was very productive
15:16:26 <EdK> Social WG Face2Face meetings - elf, Ann, Harry attended. Productive and valuable.
15:17:00 <hhalpin> ActivityPump
15:17:06 <EdK> Reps from each technical community walked through code segments on how they'd solve problems, e.g. some for Indie Web, another for Pump.io community
15:17:41 <EdK> Each critiqued their own (strengths, weaknesses), helped others understand about their own solutions.
15:18:29 <EdK> Harry: thought meeting was productive, Europe attendees helpful, these folks don't get to some of the US sesssions.
15:18:39 <AnnB> F2F summary by Amy Guy (@rhiaro): http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/05/socialwg3-summary
15:18:41 <EdK> Activity streams 2.0 topics discussed.
15:19:20 <EdK> Merging 2 streams was reviewed, as well as tracing conversations between large platforms like Twitter and Facebook (this part may have been at a lunchtime conversation
15:19:54 <AnnB> Harry: Claudio Venezia (Telecom Italia) informally talked about his use cases
15:20:21 <EdK> Claudio had talked about hashtags and other tagging in video, social media. It would be helpful to capture some of those use cases.
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15:21:43 <EdK> Claudio hs having problems attending based on time, some discussion and negotiation will be needed to consider shifting. Doodle poll for IG moved this meeting back 1 hour, may need to do similar for WG
15:22:36 <EdK> Next Face 2 Face on October in Japan along with Technical Plenary meeting, exact day to be announced.
15:23:00 <EdK> Last week of October, which days for with WG's tba.
15:23:37 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues
15:23:40 <EdK> Next topic, transfer Tracker to GitHub - any discussion?
15:24:09 <hhalpin> Is anyone against or for?
15:24:43 <EdK> I'm Ok with GitHub, we're using it more and more here at Ford.
15:24:54 <johnbreslin> I'm
15:25:01 <johnbreslin> Good with GitHub
15:25:34 <EdK> Ann: seems like a good solution. Question for Harry, any feedback from W3C?
15:26:00 <EdK> Harry: Tracker was integrated with Zakim, but now that Zakim is depricating, then GitHub seems like a good solution.
15:26:14 <EdK> Proposal to agree?
15:27:02 <EdK> Question regarding deprecating irc IG channel and merging into WG channel. Ann's feeling is it could be distracting.
15:27:13 <hhalpin> I think basically groups can't meet at same time!
15:27:23 <AnnB> distracting to the socialwg
15:27:26 <EdK> Ed had mentioned in previous discussion on 2 meetings that could happen at same time
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15:30:04 <AnnB> EdK:  do both the IG and the WG have the same intellectual property rights
15:30:06 <hhalpin> Nope, as long as we remember to say 'trackbot, end meeting'
15:30:24 <EdK> John: in favor, will help keep the groups informed.
15:30:33 <EdK> Ann: will make request to WG to share the same channel.
15:30:34 <hhalpin> The answer is that while scopes are different, there is an IE process for Social IG so I think it's OK from a legal angle.
15:31:34 <EdK> Zakim aabb is EdK
15:32:23 <EdK> Zakim, aabb is EdK
15:32:23 <Zakim> sorry, EdK, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:33:25 <EdK> Harry to double check IP protections are adequate.
15:33:28 <hhalpin> EdK, Zakim IRC is down
15:33:43 <EdK> Should be OK, they've been careful, example is invited expert
15:35:04 <EdK> Resolved: Moved tracking of work and issues to GitHub.
15:35:34 <EdK> Agreement is to move to single irc pending approval by WG
15:35:42 <elf-pavlik> q+
15:35:52 <EdK> Use Cases - haven't made much progress
15:35:57 <elf-pavlik> ack elf-pavlik
15:36:32 <Zakim> -johnbreslin
15:36:47 <EdK> Elf: focus should be on those proposed for "adoption"
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15:37:03 <AnnB> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues
15:37:07 <elf-pavlik> and those which receive implementations proposals similar to ones presented during F2F3
15:37:13 <EdK> Ann: thught fcus would be on those that were identified as needing clarity, where some disagreement may still be open
15:37:37 <johnbreslin> Sorry all I have to go collect kids. Talk soon
15:37:46 <EdK> thanks John
15:39:03 <elf-pavlik> EdK: reminder of request from WG to help resolve User Stories with minor objections
15:39:36 <AnnB> user stories for API, by votes: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
15:40:39 <elf-pavlik> q+
15:40:44 <EdK> Some of these got put into GitHub, still unclear on some of the nuances of teh new tool - such as notifications.
15:40:46 <elf-pavlik> ack elf-pavlik
15:42:35 <elf-pavlik> PROPOSAL: invite authors of User Stories to provide concrete implementation details (similar to ones presented during F2F) which will provide strong ground for furture clarifications
15:43:31 <elf-pavlik> e.g. https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/tree/master/user-stories
15:43:37 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/linkeddata/SoLiD/tree/master/UserStories
15:43:52 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/activitypump/tree/master/userstories
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15:44:41 <elf-pavlik> aaronpk, tsyesika and bblfish presented it
15:45:01 <EdK> Above were examples done at the F2F
15:45:34 <elf-pavlik> having such implementation proposals can help a lot with prioritizing and clarifying objections
15:46:18 <elf-pavlik> we don't expect new API candidates besides three already represented
15:47:02 <elf-pavlik> we can *request* such implementation walk through
15:49:31 <elf-pavlik> Use Case TF meeting next week?
15:49:37 <EdK> Harry: perhaps dedicate a meeting (next meeing) to work on use cases and specifically invite authors
15:51:07 <EdK> Harry: there is accepted use cases, those would be implemented. Those that have minor objections will not, but we can't get consenus on how to get them accepted unless they are all in the meeting
15:51:10 <elf-pavlik> before that use case authors *should* provide implementation proposals for review :) bblfish can do that for example
15:54:12 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, we can resolve this one just two of us :D https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Invite_friends_to_an_event
15:54:35 <EdK> Some of the objections could be some minor language - eg video is posted at top, botttom - objection is use case shouldn't demand a specific location, these should be able to be wordsmithed in a way to gain consensus
15:54:59 <elf-pavlik> yes, only you gave 0
15:56:27 <elf-pavlik> PROPOSAL: let's start with "Entirely Positive or Positive Neutral" and leave "Minor Objections" for later
15:56:52 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories#Entirely_Positive_or_Positive_Neutral
15:57:17 <elf-pavlik> simpler to get the workflow and resolve some quickly
15:57:19 <elf-pavlik> no, it always stayed thare
15:58:31 <EdK> EdK will try to help on minor objection use cases, but is primarily working on new use cases for federated social, which is work may get started this fall. The business need is huge and frankly businesses experiencing multiple platforms are best suited to identify the problems and use cases.
15:58:44 <elf-pavlik> +1 Use Case TF next week
15:58:52 <EdK> +1
15:59:38 <EdK> may be able to try WEbex next week. Harry to send out info.
15:59:43 <EdK> Meeting is adjourned.
15:59:48 <EdK> Thanks all for attending!
15:59:49 <elf-pavlik> AnnB++ for making progress attitude!
15:59:51 <Loqi> AnnB has 25 karma
16:00:10 <AnnB> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html AnnB
16:00:17 <elf-pavlik> hhalpin, Webx has SIP ?
16:01:17 <AnnB> hhalpin: yes, WebEx has SIP
16:01:30 <AnnB> ... also a Java client which enables dial-in
16:01:40 <elf-pavlik> hhalpin, please post instruction ASAP so we can prepare for next week TF meeting
16:01:41 <AnnB> trackbot, end meeting
16:01:41 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ann, +1.857.445.aaaa, +1.313.594.aabb, elf-pavlik, johnbreslin, EdK, hhalpin
16:01:44 <Zakim> -EdK
16:01:47 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
16:01:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-socialig-minutes.html trackbot
16:01:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:11 <Zakim> -hhalpin
16:02:14 <Zakim> -Ann
16:02:15 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()11:00AM has ended
16:02:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Ann, +1.857.445.aaaa, +1.313.594.aabb, elf-pavlik, johnbreslin, EdK, hhalpin
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16:29:46 <AnnB> here's a problem with the proposal to move the IRC channel for the IG to the same channel as the WG ....
16:30:01 <AnnB> while we were meeting during the last hour, they had a fairly long conversation
16:30:45 <AnnB> IF we were using the same channel, scribing our minutes .. they either A) would not have been chatting; or B) would have their chats interspersed among our meeting minutes
16:57:43 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, or people present would participate in IG meeting via IRC and chat other topic at any other time during the week :)
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