IRC log of pf on 2015-05-27

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 27 May 2015
15:58:41 [janina]
agenda?
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Chair: Janina
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agenda: this
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued
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agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:58:55 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
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agenda+ Rechartering Continued
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agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
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agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG; D-Pub
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:59:10 [janina]
agenda+ be done
15:59:46 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ Janina
16:04:13 [janina]
zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued" taken up [from janina]
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present+ Fred_Esch
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present+ JF
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zakim, drop JF
16:13:07 [Zakim]
sorry, JF_, I don't know what conference this is
16:13:12 [fesch]
scribenick: fred
16:13:27 [MichaelC]
scribenick: fresch
16:13:31 [MichaelC]
scribenick: fesch
16:13:39 [JF_]
agenda?
16:14:03 [JF_]
zakim, JF_ is JF
16:14:03 [Zakim]
sorry, JF_, I do not recognize a party named 'JF_'
16:14:10 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:14:49 [fesch]
js: my actions underway
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jf: I don't have any action items here
16:15:11 [MichaelC]
action-1641?
16:15:11 [trackbot]
action-1641 -- Janina Sajka to File comment on notes on using aria in html http://www.w3.org/tr/aria-in-html/ that it should not be on the rec track -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
16:15:11 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1641
16:15:15 [MichaelC]
close action-1641
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Closed action-1641.
16:16:24 [fesch]
action-1631
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action-1631 -- Shane McCarron to Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1631
16:16:42 [fesch]
action-1628
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action-1628 -- James Nurthen to Review dom level 3 keyboardevent code values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-code/ and dom level 3 keyboardevent key values http://www.w3.org/tr/dom-level-3-events-key/ -- due 2015-05-29 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1628
16:16:49 [fesch]
action-1629
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action-1629 -- James Nurthen to Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ -- due 2015-05-29 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1629
16:17:00 [fesch]
jn: not june yet
16:17:10 [fesch]
action-1627
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action-1627 -- Janina Sajka to Get group to look at ui events (formerly dom level 3 events) http://www.w3.org/tr/uievents/ -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1627
16:18:47 [MichaelC]
action-1627: https://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-pf-minutes
16:18:47 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-1627 Get group to look at ui events (formerly dom level 3 events) http://www.w3.org/tr/uievents/.
16:19:44 [fesch]
js: not sure how to do due diligence reviews with the reorg
16:19:56 [fesch]
js: how do we do this?
16:20:21 [fesch]
js: we comment and they respond, and at the end of the day, we agree on something
16:20:40 [fesch]
js: 6 months later they publish a new draft, how do we do that?
16:21:29 [fesch]
mc: can search a liaison list for comments, so someone would have to look through and see if the comments are fixed.
16:21:44 [fesch]
mc: we need to assign someone or hope we are OK
16:22:27 [fesch]
mc: my recollection is we were sad somethings were dropped and we hoped they would be brought back somewhere (else)
16:22:47 [fesch]
joanie: make an issue?
16:23:02 [fesch]
mc: this task did that
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s/joanie/cyn/
16:24:18 [fesch]
mc: we had a discussion on activate, wanted something better, indieUI was going to provide that
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js: son of indieUI or WAPA was going to provide that
16:24:52 [MichaelC]
close action-1627
16:24:53 [trackbot]
Closed action-1627.
16:25:34 [fesch]
cyns: what to do on work J Peters was doing, WAPA has a dependency on that
16:25:51 [fesch]
js: very interested in having that not be dropped
16:26:02 [fesch]
cyns: needs a driver...
16:26:38 [fesch]
mc: if we are going to have any success in driving integration we will need that
16:26:47 [fesch]
action-1615
16:26:47 [trackbot]
action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:27:05 [fesch]
action-1597
16:27:05 [trackbot]
action-1597 -- Janina Sajka to Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
16:27:05 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1597
16:27:19 [MichaelC]
action-1597 due 2 months
16:27:19 [trackbot]
Set action-1597 Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ due date to 2015-07-27.
16:27:58 [fesch]
js: keep pushing forward dependent on ...
16:28:07 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:28:07 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:28:42 [fesch]
mc: nothing for use to review, maybe ..... something very low level
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 was just opened, fesch
16:29:05 [fesch]
zakim, close item
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I don't understand 'close item', fesch
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:29:29 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 was just opened, fesch
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zakim, close item
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I don't understand 'close item', fesch
16:29:42 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 was just opened, fesch
16:29:52 [fesch]
zakim, close item this item
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I don't understand 'close item this item', fesch
16:30:01 [fesch]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
16:30:02 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. Rechartering Continued [from janina]
16:30:08 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:30:28 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32212/201505_charters/results Charter Survey
16:30:39 [fesch]
jf: there is scribe button....
16:31:36 [fesch]
js: we have draft charters, taking in all kinds of comments, current working hope, please do survey
16:32:05 [fesch]
js: survey can you support the charters and do you plan to join each wg
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js: deadline for survey is tonight
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js: views are important so we can negotiate with management
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js: charter is formerly extended, we are officially under charter until July 15
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jw: we can continue to publish
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s?jw/js
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s/jw/js/
16:34:14 [fesch]
mc: Joseph made comments about timeline
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mc: JN made comments on expected participation, LW and JC made comments as well
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mc: Joseph's we can process... replied on email - on participation expectation (4 - 8 hours)
16:35:55 [fesch]
jn: between three groups, the total is no way
16:36:11 [Lisa_Seeman]
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cyns: most week will be monitor list and show up for calls, on a review more hours on that
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mc: if there is discussion on reviews, it could be more, but that is an exception
16:37:16 [fesch]
cyns: a lot more people would be willing to show up based on 2 hrs a week
16:37:43 [fesch]
js: time is average, if you get assigned a big spec.... could be more
16:38:20 [fesch]
mc: for the APA charter it may make sense 2- 4 and should we ARIA 4-8?
16:38:36 [fesch]
cyns: maybe a total between the two 4-8 hrs
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mc: will put in 2-4 for both
16:39:25 [fesch]
mc:: Leone had lots of edit, she isn't here, I don't necessarily agree, she may have wanted to simplify
16:39:42 [fesch]
mc: hard to review without her here
16:40:01 [fesch]
js: negotiating the charter may cause delay
16:40:26 [fesch]
mc: summaries Leone's edits
16:40:49 [fesch]
cyns: doesn't seem to have impacts
16:41:06 [fesch]
js: need someone to do it, need a driver...
16:41:59 [fesch]
mc: charter needs to give us the ability to work with other groups, nice to encourage to join other groups, nice to to but... not needed in the charter
16:42:10 [fesch]
cyns: seems like a mission statement
16:43:06 [fesch]
mc: without Leone here, hard to negotiate with her
16:43:58 [fesch]
mc: besides Leone's comments, may take up Joseph's milestones
16:44:40 [fesch]
mc: 9 will join the spec review group, 17 would join ARIA, none that would join spec review and not ARIA
16:45:00 [fesch]
jn: once participation requirements change I might sign up for both
16:45:26 [fesch]
mc: will run past time commitment change this afternoon
16:46:16 [fesch]
jf: did quick survey at deque have 4 people interested in ARIA,, I can join up for spec review
16:47:07 [Lisa_Seeman]
can you post the link to the servay?
16:48:10 [fesch]
js: we believe we have got through the first road block on dpub, got through roles issue and provide doc to MC
16:48:31 [fesch]
js: expect dpub doc in June
16:49:15 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:49:15 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6 was just opened, fesch
16:50:26 [fesch]
zakim, close item 6
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agendum 6, ARIA.Next Items, closed
16:50:27 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG; D-Pub [from janina]
16:50:43 [fesch]
zakim, next item
16:50:43 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG; D-Pub" taken up [from janina]
16:51:46 [fesch]
action: John Folio MAUR checklist
16:51:46 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1645 - Folio maur checklist [on John Foliot - due 2015-06-03].
16:52:45 [fesch]
js: somewhat related to media stuff, we left Seattle with a plan.... not sure what is happening with Chaals
16:52:56 [fesch]
js: I think he said he would start a draft
16:53:20 [fesch]
jf: I think we were going to send an email to HTML wg with thoughts before creating a draft
16:53:30 [fesch]
js: lets talk about this tomorrow
16:53:46 [fesch]
js: we only care about use cases and requirements, not the mechanism
16:56:17 [fesch]
rssagent, generate minutes
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rrsagent, generate minutes
16:56:50 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-pf-minutes.html fesch
18:30:44 [janina]
janina has changed the topic to: PF Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 3 June at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439