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15:00:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
15:00:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:00:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:00:14 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2015
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15:02:07 <dbooth> Topic: Blank node example for OWL reasoning
15:02:13 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
15:02:34 <dbooth> Line numbered: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed-numbered.txt
15:02:45 <dbooth> The same, but without line numbers: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed.ttl
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15:06:40 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:06:40 <Zakim> sorry, dbooth, I don't know what conference this is
15:06:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see rhausam, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
15:06:48 <dbooth> trackbot, start meeting
15:06:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:06:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
15:06:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM already started
15:06:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:06:53 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2015
15:07:12 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:07:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, +1.978.794.aaaa, ericP, +1.801.949.aabb
15:07:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see rhausam, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
15:07:26 <dbooth> zakim, aaaa is tony
15:07:27 <Zakim> +tony; got it
15:07:39 <dbooth> zakim, aabb is rhausam
15:07:39 <Zakim> +rhausam; got it
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15:08:13 <dbooth> Line numbered: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed-numbered.txt
15:08:22 <dbooth> The same, but without line numbers: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed.ttl
15:08:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:08:49 <hsolbrig> zakim: ipcaller is me
15:09:02 <Zakim> +??P9
15:09:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:09:15 <Lloyd> zakim, ipcaller.a is lloyd
15:09:15 <Zakim> +lloyd; got it
15:09:24 <dbooth> zakim, ??P9 is Marc
15:09:24 <Zakim> +Marc; got it
15:09:34 <dbooth> Line numbered: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed-numbered.txt
15:09:42 <dbooth> The same, but without line numbers: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015May/att-0013/confirmed.ttl
15:11:40 <ericP> https://mit.webex.com/mit/e.php?MTID=m63bc4a319e913d7fbcb1704adede2607
15:12:00 <ericP> code: 647 765 745
15:12:12 <ericP> password: hcls
15:19:25 <ericP> should this http://dbooth.org/2015/fhir/bnodes/confirmed.ttl be a 404?
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16:00:45 <dbooth> rrsagent, make logs public
16:00:54 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:01:57 <dbooth> ericp, you're still sharing your desktop
16:03:21 <dbooth> <dbooth> yes, i didn't upload it to my web site
16:03:49 <dbooth> s/<dbooth> </</g
16:03:57 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:04:31 <dbooth> <dbooth> dbooth: It looks like the reasoner *is* doing the inference, but it just is not showing the blank nodes in the DL query  or in the Protege interface.  But it is making the inference.
16:04:31 <dbooth> <dbooth> ... This is demonstrated by lines 33-43 "Propagating inference upward".
16:04:31 <dbooth> <Lloyd> q+
16:04:31 <dbooth> * You've invited zakim to :#hcls (public-irc.w3.org)
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16:04:35 <dbooth> <Marc_Twagirumukiza> It's a good new that BN works. I support
16:04:37 <dbooth> <ericP> q+ to say that the next testing step is indistinguishable from assuming they work so let's assume they work.
16:04:40 <dbooth> * Zakim sees ericP on the speaker queue
16:04:42 <dbooth> <dbooth> tony: FHIR entities can have IDs.  If something has an ID, can we use that to make a URI?
16:04:44 <dbooth> <dbooth> lloyd: the ID is only unique within the resource, but not within a bundle of multiple resources.
16:04:46 <dbooth> <dbooth> q+ to say that it sounds more complicated to *sometimes* generate URIs (if an ID is present) but not always
16:04:49 <dbooth> * Zakim sees ericP, dbooth on the speaker queue
16:04:51 <dbooth> <dbooth> lloyd: various things can be used to uniquely identify things.  But it depends a lot on business context.
16:05:04 <dbooth> <dbooth> eric: expected FHIR to enable that two Bobs are the same.
16:05:04 <dbooth> <dbooth> lloyd: People would like FHIR to solve that problem, but it's not a technology problem  It's an info problem.  FHIR cannot make info magicaly appear.
16:05:04 <dbooth> <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:05:05 <dbooth> <Zakim> sorry, dbooth, I don't know what conference this is
16:05:07 <dbooth> <Zakim> On IRC I see Lloyd, hsolbrig, rhausam, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, dbooth, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
16:05:09 <dbooth> <dbooth> zakim, this is hcls
16:05:11 <dbooth> <Zakim> ok, dbooth; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
16:05:13 <dbooth> <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:05:15 <dbooth> <Zakim> On the phone I see DBooth, tony, ericP, rhausam, [IPcaller], Marc, lloyd
16:05:17 <dbooth> <Zakim> On IRC I see Lloyd, hsolbrig, rhausam, Marc_Twagirumukiza, Tony, dbooth, cloudcell_, trackbot, ericP
16:05:19 <dbooth> <dbooth> lloyd: You would need to say that a particular identifier is *trustworthy* as a unique ID, but the others aren't.
16:05:22 <dbooth> <dbooth> ... There's a person resource that you can use to link multiple patient records.
16:05:24 <dbooth> <dbooth> ... You can make these assertions in your data, but some of them may be erroneous.
16:05:26 <dbooth> <dbooth> zakim, IPcaller is hsolbrig
16:05:28 <dbooth> <Zakim> +hsolbrig; got it
16:05:30 <dbooth> <dbooth> eric: it would be nice if the graph automatically connected them together where it is asserted
16:05:32 <dbooth> <dbooth> ack eric
16:05:36 <dbooth> <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that the next testing step is indistinguishable from assuming they work so let's assume they work.
16:05:39 <dbooth> <Zakim> dbooth, you wanted to say that it sounds more complicated to *sometimes* generate URIs (if an ID is present) but not always
16:05:42 <dbooth> <dbooth> Proposed resolution: Okay to use blank nodes.  They appear to work with OWL reasoning.
16:05:44 <dbooth> <dbooth> RESOLVED:  Okay to use blank nodes for elements. They appear to work with OWL reasoning.
16:05:46 <dbooth> <dbooth> Topic: Eric and Josh's generation of RDF from FHIR
16:05:48 <dbooth> Eric: I updated to DSTU 2.
16:06:04 <dbooth> s/ADJOURNED//
16:06:23 <dbooth> s/<dbooth> </</g
16:06:29 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
16:06:59 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:07:36 <dbooth> Present:  DBooth, tony, ericP, rhausam, Marc, lloyd, hsolbrig
16:09:04 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:09:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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