IRC log of auto on 2015-05-27

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Zakim, this will be

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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 27 May 2015

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Meeting: Automotive BG

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Chair: Adam

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-autowebplatform/2015May/0004.html

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Scribe: Ted

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agenda+ Summarize F2F

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agenda+ Cover AR's taken in F2F

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agenda+ Security subteam

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agenda+ LBS subteam

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agenda+ Media/Tuner subteam with TV CG

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agenda+ Editors

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agenda+ Charter

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Present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Adam_Abramski, Qing An, Ted Guild, Ryan Davis

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-autowebplatform/2015May/0004.html

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agenda?

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rrsagent, make log member

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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Present+ Noboru_Murakami

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Present+ Sven_Hotta, Shinjiro_Urata

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Present+ So_Vang

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 1. "Summarize F2F" taken up [from ted]

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[Adam reviews agenda]

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q+ to talk about the minutes permission

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kaz, you wanted to talk about the minutes permission

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Kaz: we should clarify meeting minutes, we discussed at F2F switching to public like the WG but should ratify

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Adam: good point, will cover at the end

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-> https://www.w3.org/2015/04/24-auto-minutes.html BG F2F minutes

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Adam: we were hosted by Genivi, covered quite a few areas including what future focus and subteams we will form

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... it is important to understand the differences between the two groups

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... the WG's focus is solely on the vehicle and data specs. there will be some overlap in the area of privacy and security

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... the BG will initially go into LBS and Media tuner

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... the work, actual deliverables will be determined as the BG progress

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-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-autowebplatform/2015May/0005.html Draft CfP for joint Security and Privacy TF

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[discussion on draft cfp and next steps]

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Adam: he is seeking questions and comments for now, a final version announcement will go out to public lists and elsewhere

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... any questions on division of labor between the groups or in general?

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... once we get the BG's charter complete it would be more complete

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https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/open

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and https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/closed

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action-3

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action-3 -- Ted Guild to Draft a public blog cfp on joint security tf to run by group before announcing -- due 2015-04-30 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/3

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Adam: charter is progressing, I have some internal feedback and will run by Intel legal department

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... it covered LBS, Tuner and Security/Privacy

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... procedurally there is a 30 day period of review for both the individual participants and their organization's managers and legal departments

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-> http://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/automotive-and-web-platform-business-group-charter/ Existing BG charter

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Adam: concerning this [business] group, there was a suggestion for it to follow suite of the working group and do more in public

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... so the proposal is to change the process and send meeting minutes to the public list instead of the internal one

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... it will help people understand what work is taking place in this group. nobody at the f2f had objection, nor were there comments on the email I sent out for the group

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... as such unless someone speaks up on this call, we will switch the default to public

00:36:50 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

00:36:50 [Zakim]

sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is

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00:38:04 [ted]

Ted: if there is something you are hesitant to make public since you are unsure of whether you can make a specific statement public you can ask for it to be off the record

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Adam: alright, we'll send this to the public

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action-5?

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action-5 -- Adam Abramski to Send f2f proposal to both mailing lists -- due 2015-04-30 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/5

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Adam: there is an opportunity for the BG to meet F2F and the two groups to meet together

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... the next all members meeting for Genivi is in Seoul the 22nd and 23rd of October, we will hold a BG F2F meeting there then

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... the following week W3C is having their TPAC meeting and the WG will have its F2F the 26th and 27th. The BG will be invited to participate as well

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i|action-5?|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-autowebplatform/2015May/0001.html Adam's message on communication policy for meeting minutes (internal)|

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Sven: interesting, I need to confirm I can attend first

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q+

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Adam: this is also a great opportunity to meet with Web of Things IG, Geo WG, WebAppSec, etc

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... it will help us further work of mutual interest such as having our Media Tuner subteam meet with the TV Controller API CG

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... those meetings can happen on various days that week with the exception of Wednesday with is their public Technical Plenary

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... I will send out a proposal and ask for feedback

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q?

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00:46:48 [ted]

s/ alright, we'll send this to the public/ alright, we'll send this meeting's minutes to the public list and unless we hear objection before June 5th deadline we will do the same for future meetings/

00:47:26 [kaz]

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Adam: Phillipe from PSA made a presentation on LBS progress out of Genivi and are ready for an API with a number of use cases

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... we discussed taking the work from this Genivi group and start turning it into a javascript API, ensure we address their use cases, extend them as well and look at this from a web developer perspective

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... it was create from a native developer perspective. Philippe will be a part if not leading the subteam and Alibaba has expressed interest as well

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... Genivi will be making the necessary information public

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zakim, take up agendum 6

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agendum 6. "Editors" taken up [from ted]

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Adam: we lost at least one of our editors from the BG, Kevron, and it is unsure if Justin will continue on the specs at the WG or will be available for Tuner and LBS editorial work

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q+

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q-

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... this will be an opportunity for people to take on editor role for the work coming out of the BG

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q+ to mention the implementation question from ACCESS and it should be handled within the WG

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... the Web & TV Interest Group, specifically their TV Controller API CG, is interested in helping us with this

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Kaz: I attended one of this group's calls, asked them to consider the use cases generated by Genivi for automotive media tuning

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... they agreed and people interested in this group are welcome to participate in that CG including joining their calls

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Ryan: we have access to the Genivi docs for the Tuner API?

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Adam: yes, they made them public

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Kaz: yes, we want to have people that have participated from the Genivi side be involved in the TV Controller API CG

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Adam: is there someone who can be the single point of contact with that CG?

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Kaz: good question

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https://www.w3.org/community/tvapi/

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Bin Hu from AT&T

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kaz: will send a message to Bin CCing you (Adam, Paul, PaulW, Ryan) to start the discussion

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s/AT&T/AT&T is the Chair of the TV Control API CG/

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Present+ Dave_Mitchell

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Ryan: Dave Mitchel from Pandora I believe is interested as well

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@@@: we collected a number of use cases from internet radio providers

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... there are quite a few similarities between all the applications, some gaps in TV

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... we want to cover AM, FM, XM, Internet, TV

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ryan from Iheartradio

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s/@@@/Ryan/

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... we have a wiki that I believe everyone here should have access to

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zakim, who is here?

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sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is

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... we have received specs from Genivi for radio tuner stuff and have been comparing across

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Adam: the TV group is interested in furthering the spec work with our use cases and input

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... we can focus on our more specific use cases, help them understand them, review and contribute

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-> http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/IVI_Radio_Use_cases Genivi's Radio Use Cases

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Adam: I see this more as explaining our use cases

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Dave: I am looking forward to getting caught up

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q?

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ack k

01:07:29 [Zakim]

kaz, you wanted to mention the implementation question from ACCESS and it should be handled within the WG

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kaz: will remind the WG side as well

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Adam: yes, ok to bring that to WG

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[adjourned]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-auto-minutes.html ted