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16:04:04 <kaz> Present: Paul, Adam_Crofts, Jorg, Kaz, Peter, Qing
16:05:02 <kaz> paul: comments on GitHub
16:05:27 <kaz> ... if you can see the screen here (on gotomeeting)
16:05:52 <kaz> (shows issues on GitHub)
16:06:38 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues Automotive issues
16:07:36 <kaz> paul: access to the issues page?
16:07:41 <kaz> qing: no...
16:07:50 <kaz> kaz: please let me know about your github account
16:08:48 <kaz> i/access/[issue 1]/
16:08:52 <kaz> [issue 2]
16:09:05 <kaz> paul: JavaScript coding style
16:09:17 <kaz> Present+ Adam
16:09:41 <kaz> paul: if you have input, please provide your comments on this issue
16:09:54 <kaz> Present+ urata
16:10:05 <kaz> Present+ dave
16:10:18 <kaz> dave: just joined
16:10:31 <kaz> [issue 3]
16:10:44 <kaz> Review API design
16:11:55 <kaz> qing: provided comments this evening
16:12:12 <kaz> ... where to discuss?
16:12:18 <kaz> paul: mailinglist is fine
16:12:30 <kaz> s/qing:/peter:/
16:13:02 <kaz> [issue 4]
16:13:06 <kaz> Update README
16:13:20 <kaz> paul: Dave made a pull request
16:13:49 <kaz> [issue 5]
16:14:05 <kaz> nullable and non-nullabl attribute definition
16:14:15 <kaz> paul: Qing brought up this
16:14:27 <kaz> ... some of the attributes are nullable but some are not
16:14:38 <kaz> ... any questions?
16:14:52 <kaz> [issue 6]
16:15:02 <kaz> paul: related discovery
16:15:07 <kaz> s/related/related to/
16:15:33 <kaz> ... any comments?
16:16:04 <kaz> ... suggestion to see other discovery APIs
16:16:15 <kaz> [issue 7]
16:16:36 <kaz> use-cases is not consistent with the interface function defined
16:16:53 <kaz> paul: not necessarily inline with the spec
16:17:35 <kaz> ... any comments?
16:17:49 <kaz> [issue 8]
16:18:03 <kaz> enum type ZonePosition
16:18:31 <kaz> paul: any comments?
16:18:57 <kaz> [issue 10]
16:19:00 <kaz> minor mistakes
16:19:09 <kaz> paul: pointed out by Qing An
16:19:15 <kaz> [issue 11]
16:19:19 <kaz> spelling/grammar
16:19:41 <kaz> paul: Dave made a pull request
16:19:50 <kaz> [issue 12]
16:20:20 <kaz> dave: this one as well
16:20:25 <kaz> [issue 13]
16:20:30 <kaz> fuel configuration interface
16:21:34 <kaz> dave: missing fuel types
16:22:08 <kaz> paul: (show the data spec)
16:23:51 <kaz> ... any other cases?
16:24:48 <kaz> dave: can add any cases possible
16:25:37 <kaz> kaz: is there a need to add any new technology to this list?
16:25:56 <kaz> paul: may be multiple gas tanks
16:26:27 <kaz> ... also multiple fuel positions
16:27:40 <kaz> ... would ask someone from JLR for opinion
16:28:43 <kaz> adam_crofts: different types and sub categories?
16:30:03 <kaz> dave: even regarding gasoline, there are different kinds of octane
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16:30:27 <kaz> ... extra field for the detail
16:30:42 <kaz> paul: should we go with sub categories?
16:31:19 <kaz> Present+ greg
16:31:56 <kaz> paul: we should support the variations
16:32:49 <kaz> ... (paul adds description to issue 13)
16:35:28 <kaz> kaz: if needed we can publish a separate note for extensible list of parameters as a WG Note
16:36:25 <kaz> ... like EmotionML and its vocabulary Note
16:36:27 <kaz> paul: sounds good
16:37:06 <kaz> s/description to/a note "Adam, Greg, Dave and Paul make suggestions" to/
16:37:22 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/13 issue 13
16:37:32 <kaz> [issue 14]
16:37:44 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/14
16:37:51 <kaz> vehicle speed units
16:38:37 <kaz> paul: eitors update the doc to make units consistent
16:38:53 <kaz> s/speed units/speed units - suggestions/
16:39:13 <kaz> paul: feed free to add comments
16:40:10 <kaz> ... there was a long conversation
16:42:32 <kaz> ... (adds a note)
16:42:38 <kaz> [issue 16]
16:42:55 <kaz> YawRate exist. Roll and pitch are not necessary?
16:43:28 <kaz> Present+ Avery
16:44:25 <kaz> [issue 17]
16:44:41 <kaz> Steering Wheel Left - Ambiguous
16:45:00 <kaz> adam_crofts: The steeringWheelLeft attribute name feels very ambiguous
16:45:17 <kaz> paul: driver vs passenger
16:45:41 <kaz> ... let's make sure
16:46:11 <kaz> s/sure/sure with Kevron/
16:46:28 <kaz> @@@: could be an option of "center"
16:47:31 <kaz> s/@@@:/Jorg:/
16:47:58 <kaz> paul: (adds notes)
16:48:55 <kaz> how to handle cars with no steering wheel?
16:49:02 <kaz> how to handle single seat car?
16:49:11 <kaz> center steer wheel?
16:49:55 <kaz> othr interfaces such as head unit location?  what similar interfaces are we missing?
16:49:59 <kaz> ]]
16:50:07 <kaz> i/cars with/[[/
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16:51:12 <kaz> paul: any other comments?
16:51:17 <kaz> [issue 18]
16:51:23 <kaz> power modes - cranking
16:51:38 <kaz> paul: signal from cars
16:52:44 <kaz> adam_crofts: engine cranking would be a useful addition
16:54:02 <kaz> paul: (adds a note Adam to make a pull request to add "cranking")
16:54:13 <kaz> s/Adam/Adam Crofts/
16:54:27 <kaz> paul: (shows the data spec)
16:54:47 <kaz> http://rawgit.com/w3c/automotive/master/vehicle_data/data_spec.html#vehiclepowermodetype-interface
16:56:00 <kaz> jorg: if you turn off the engine, you have access to electronic devices
16:57:04 <kaz> paul: (adds a note "What happens with car that power off at stop?  What is the Power Mode state?  Adam to look into the cases")
16:57:45 <kaz> jorg: what if there are both a gasoline engine and an electric engine?
16:58:15 <kaz> paul: (adds a note "Perhaps separate interface for electric, gasoline, hybrid, etc.?")
16:58:49 <kaz> [issue 22]
16:59:06 <kaz> Remove etc. from specification
16:59:10 <kaz> paul: from Peter
16:59:27 <kaz> peter: thinks these should be removed
16:59:51 <kaz> s/these/these "etc."s/
17:00:20 <kaz> paul: (shows the data spec)
17:01:01 <kaz> http://rawgit.com/w3c/automotive/master/vehicle_data/data_spec.html#drivingmode-interface
17:03:59 <kaz> paul: (and shows the vehicle API spec)
17:04:24 <ted> regrets+ Ted
17:04:34 <kaz> http://rawgit.com/w3c/automotive/master/vehicle_data/vehicle_spec.html
17:05:47 <kaz> paul: (adds a note "Peter to go through the cases where 'etc.' is used and propose alternatives as appropriate.")
17:07:19 <kaz> ... (also "Adam Crofts suggests providing overarching term with examples.")
17:07:30 <kaz> peter: have a question
17:07:40 <kaz> ... should I put the issue here on the GitHub?
17:08:03 <kaz> paul: yes
17:09:05 <kaz> jorg: at the f2f meeting, question on a reference implementation from KDDI and ACCESS
17:09:27 <kaz> ... possible different implementations on how to implement subscribe
17:10:00 <kaz> ... using a dictionary would be convenient
17:10:16 <kaz> ... binding to C++, etc.
17:10:27 <kaz> ... two things into one
17:10:47 <kaz> s/jorg:/peter:/
17:11:32 <kaz> paul: would be better to put an issue on the GitHub and get comments
17:12:18 <kaz> peter: good to discuss
17:13:10 <kaz> paul: any other comments?
17:13:27 <kaz> jorg: timeline for comments?
17:13:58 <kaz> paul: in July we'll have a f2f meeting
17:14:19 <kaz> ... would like to see the spec with all the comments taken into account
17:14:35 <kaz> ... adam, any ideas?
17:14:39 <kaz> adam: that's fine
17:15:19 <kaz> paul: missing things like security
17:15:51 <kaz> ... anyone on the group are encouraged to join the discussion to mature the specs
17:16:09 <kaz> @@@: use cases?
17:16:14 <kaz> paul: there is a wiki
17:17:11 <kaz> ... adam, anything else?
17:17:18 <kaz> adam: there will be a BG call
17:18:43 <kaz> kaz: thought we were planning to publish the specs as FPWDs asap
17:21:19 <kaz> ... but do we want to publish after the July f2f?
17:21:36 <kaz> paul: thought this GitHub repository could be a published one
17:22:20 <kaz> kaz: actually, we need to copy the HTML to the W3C server under the /TR area and publish it as a FPWD
17:22:27 <kaz> paul: what is the procedure?
17:23:17 <kaz> kaz: first, we need to get a group consensus by sending out a Call for Consensus to the group's Member list
17:23:33 <kaz> ... could you please send it out?
17:23:35 <kaz> paul: ok
17:23:46 <kaz> kaz: also we need to update our publication schedule
17:24:09 <kaz> paul: will provide an updated plan
17:24:11 <kaz> kaz: tx
17:24:18 <kaz> paul: anything else?
17:24:20 <kaz> (nothing)
17:24:25 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
17:24:32 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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17:25:27 <kaz> Meeting: Automotive WG
17:25:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:25:31 <kaz> Chair: Paul
17:25:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:26:01 <kaz> i/comments on GitHub/topic: Issues on GitHub/
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17:26:55 <kaz> i/use cases?/topic: AOB/
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17:27:35 <kaz> i/thought we were/topic: Publication schedule update/
17:27:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:28:16 <kaz> s/copy the HTML/copy the snapshot version of the spec/
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