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15:17:22 <clapierre> Topic: Skipable elements
15:17:44 <clapierre> deborah, this is a personalization issue
15:18:25 <clapierre> tzviya, make sure we deal with visual, screen reader, could not be just for AT.
15:19:02 <clapierre> …, page numbers at the bottom of the page are visible to everyone, but may be skipped by screen readers.
15:20:59 <clapierre> George, problem… you reach the chaper, no footnotes visible/read aloud.. So now you want to read the chapter again  with the skipped elements now read.
15:21:53 <clapierre> mia, this is a User agent issue to be able to customize what is visible, what is read, etc..
15:22:41 <clapierre> debora, we must just raise the issue so that the UA is configurable, for skipable elements, discoverable etc..
15:23:08 <clapierre> George, jaws allows you to list comments, list footnotes etc.  Without having to put it into the Nav document.
15:23:26 <clapierre> George, thats how Daisy does it.
15:23:45 <clapierre> Deborah, we need to make sure UAG includes this concept
15:24:14 <clapierre> Tzviya, we may need use-cases when brought to UAG… maybe Daisy document will be enough.
15:24:38 <clapierre> Topic: escapeable
15:24:57 <Zakim> -Liam
15:25:21 <clapierre> Deborah, is this similar, propose to UAG with the skipable elements?
15:26:05 <clapierre> George, jaws you do Jaws/DownArrow to go to the next block of text.
15:26:40 <clapierre> …, escapable ability to go to the next chunk
15:26:59 <clapierre> Mia, can you in Ibooks go to the next container?
15:27:17 <clapierre> George, Next item does not work in iBooks
15:27:54 <clapierre> Mia, paragraphs are usually in their own container… Navigate to the next same element / next different element
15:29:01 <clapierre> Tzviya, Accessibility Inspector in iOS may be of interest?  But this is not our concern but Apples with regards to iBooks
15:29:53 <clapierre> Deborah, our recommendation with UAG… Is it implement ARIA, is it ever element should be able to be skipped
15:30:27 <clapierre> Mia, I use read by paragraph. read first sentence of each paragraph.
15:30:57 <clapierre> …, move by structors or get out of a structure (eg. out of a table)
15:31:52 <clapierre> George, we need to go to the next block item not necessarily escape from the current item.
15:33:02 <clapierre> Mia, a sibling block item or higher…
15:33:33 <clapierre> Tzviya, ARIA you can navigate to it
15:33:58 <clapierre> …, to anything that will generate a lable
15:34:58 <clapierre> Topic: Timed Test Taking
15:35:20 <clapierre> Deborah, an admin user needs to set the limits
15:35:36 <clapierre> Deborah, is this a UA only issue?
15:36:02 <clapierre> Tzviya, there is a whole slew of issues with Test taking/assessments
15:36:24 <clapierre> …, there may be another ARIA module related to this.
15:36:47 <clapierre> Deborah, what we will say, we will note address assessments, but may be an area where we work with this other group.
15:37:54 <clapierre> George, ATIP is the spec (IMS).  Mark H. is working on porting this to ARIA.
15:38:19 <clapierre> Deborah, we will point to this other group's work in our Note.
15:38:32 <tzviya> web ed community group: https://www.w3.org/community/webed/
15:38:38 <clapierre> …, may end up working with them, which will be great.
15:39:06 <clapierre> Topic: Diagrammer work
15:40:04 <clapierre> George, Diagrammer is a content model which contains additional information.. long desc. tour, 3d printer, simplified desc… etc.  list of resources that helps explain the item in the document.
15:41:00 <clapierre> …, longdesc is only on images… WebGL, etc. needs this as well.  external documents with more information etc..
15:42:25 <tzviya> I think this is it: https://www.w3.org/community/accesslearn/ Accessible Online Learning CG
15:43:55 <clapierre> George, Diagrammer is a schema, that diagrammer instance has metadata instance plus body
15:44:17 <clapierre> …, W3C does not have a relationship with this work
15:44:57 <clapierre> deborah, what will W3C relationship with this schema to be?
15:45:32 <clapierre> mia, will we want this to be something more official?
15:45:40 <tzviya> s/ATIP/APIP
15:45:54 <clapierre> George, it may be more ARIA attributes
15:46:24 <clapierre> mia, is it a transformation of diagrammer into ARIA/HTML?
15:46:26 <dkaplan3_> is it this? http://diagramcenter.org/
15:46:47 <clapierre> Yes
15:47:10 <dkaplan3_> http://diagramcenter.org/standards-and-practices/content-model.html
15:47:13 <clapierre> tzviya, is this an educational piece.
15:47:32 <dkaplan3_> s/diagrammer/Diagrammar/
15:48:23 <clapierre> tzviya, may want to bring up in F2F in education piece
15:49:21 <clapierre> George, Diagrammer NC-ISO stack.
15:50:45 <tzviya> s/nc-iso/ANSI-NISO
15:51:26 <clapierre> George, custom element Mark is working on is non-controversial to point to Diagrammer content
15:55:36 <clapierre> …, two mechanisms for using this are: 1. owner of published work had a pointer to this, they would put it in.  2. Someone comes along after the fact and enhances it, and transforms the content and associates an additional annotation to the original content.
15:56:11 <clapierre> Tzviya, if that is true then there is nothing for us to do, since it will be handled with annotations.
15:56:47 <clapierre> George, we may want to add ARIA elements for different items…??
15:57:31 <clapierre> George, Diagrammer is XML we need it HTML
15:58:07 <clapierre> Deborah, we need to sit down look at Diagrammer, and then figure out what needs to happen in W3C
15:58:55 <clapierre> Tzviya, With Mark, and Matt, and Benetech sounds like its in good hands
15:59:47 <clapierre> Mia, User created annotations and Highlights adding your own notes to a document.. maybe a UA based, ability to add and find them again.
15:59:53 <clapierre> George, its in the epub test book
16:00:01 <clapierre> Mia, looked in UAG its not there.
16:00:19 <clapierre> Tzviya, it is mentioned in annotations group
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16:00:38 <clapierre> …, listing things that people may need to pay attention to.
16:01:55 <clapierre> tzviya, mention this in annotations..
16:02:09 <clapierre> deborah, is this something in our note or side conversation.
16:02:21 <clapierre> tzviya, pass off to annotations.
16:02:40 <clapierre> George, accessibility features must be added for annotations.
16:02:57 <clapierre> Tzviya, annotations must be accessible.
16:03:07 <clapierre> Deborah, we will not include in our note.
16:03:18 <clapierre> George, already brought this up with annotations.
16:04:03 <clapierre> …, this is important to having documents born accessible
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