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15:07:16 <jhund> scribenick: jhund
15:07:24 <jhund> Topic: agenda
15:07:39 <jhund> soumya asks for additions & comments
15:07:42 <Soumya> present + Soumya_Kanti_Datta
15:07:43 <jhund> none heard
15:08:14 <jhund> topic: recab of last call
15:09:13 <jhund> Soumya: explains the definition of scope
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15:10:01 <jhund> topic: logistics
15:10:30 <jhund> Soumya: meeting will be @ 1am CEST next week
15:10:38 <Edoardo_Pignotti> Present+ Edoardo Pignotti
15:10:57 <jhund> topic: brainstorming
15:11:10 <jhund> Soumya asks for use cases
15:12:05 <jhund> Arne is volounterring to look at smart building/smart home use cases
15:12:56 <jhund> Soumya: did you have a background there already?
15:13:06 <jhund> Arne: will have a look at it
15:14:33 <jhund> Danh: all use cases should be considered instead of proposing new ones specifically for each TF
15:15:09 <jhund> Soumya: we will base our research/definition on the contributed use cases
15:16:27 <jhund> Danh: is there an agreement on the use cases
15:17:11 <jhund> Soumya: those are the use cases we will use to derive requirements from
15:18:04 <jhund> ...do you want to take over one of those?
15:18:19 <jhund> Danh: my area of expertise is more industrial
15:18:54 <jhund> https://w3c.github.io/wot/wot-ucr.html
15:20:18 <jhund> jhund: use cases can of course still be contributed
15:20:41 <jhund> eduardo: I'll have a look at the oxford flood network for discovery requirements
15:21:03 <jhund> eduardo: I'll take ver one additional UC, will post on the list
15:22:06 <jhund> Soumya: I'll take over health monitoring and integrated  home automation
15:23:04 <jhund> Danh: will take over public transport
15:23:26 <jhund> Danh: is the list on github different from the list in the wiki
15:23:41 <jhund> jhund: yes, the wiki list will get merged into github
15:23:54 <jhund> topic: Requirements from the woT Framework
15:24:11 <jhund> Soumya: what would be a first point to start?
15:24:32 <jhund> ... let's go round the table for a starting point
15:25:08 <jhund> ... of high-level requirements
15:25:27 <jhund> Arne: the categorisation presented last time was good
15:25:48 <jhund> ...centralized vs. distributed, web-based and the means of discovery
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15:26:35 <jhund> Arne: which approach would be prefferable
15:27:19 <jhund> ...braod scope, but TDL indicates a drift towards link-based, web-like discovery
15:27:38 <jhund> s/broad/broad/
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15:28:29 <jhund> Danh: discovery could be a service-based discovery
15:29:06 <jhund> ...the question is "how do you query the data model that represents your system?"
15:29:21 <jhund> ...discovery is a query based oin this data model
15:30:00 <jhund> ...so the TF should focus about the desciption of the context of the Things
15:30:11 <jhund> ...which is beyoun d thing description
15:30:28 <jhund> Soumya: could you give a presentation?
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15:30:47 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: yes, but in two weeks time
15:31:05 <jhund> thx, kaz ;)
15:31:28 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: need to be clear on what we mean by discovery
15:31:49 <jhund> ...as people from different backgrounbds will interprete the term differently
15:33:02 <jhund> ... we are trying to push web tech, so we should put network discovery out of scope
15:33:38 <jhund> ... and focus on service discovery, data-based discovery, e.g. search engines
15:34:22 <jhund> ... question: should we scope to this kind of discovery or also look at low-level network discovery
15:34:34 <jhund> Soumya: could you provide content?
15:34:47 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: will start discussion on the mailing list
15:35:02 <jhund> Soumya: any other comment?
15:36:19 <jhund> jhund: +1 for DanhLePhuoc's question if we scope to data discovery
15:36:32 <jhund> ...or also look at network discovery
15:39:25 <jhund> Soumya: in the TF-AP discussions, was discovery a topic?
15:39:53 <jhund> jhund: we identified the need for an API to discover, but would base that on the input of the TF-DI
15:40:09 <jhund> topic: scopes & dimens of discovery
15:40:56 <jhund> Soumya: scope could be local or remote scope for wide-area
15:41:49 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: sope could be one-time (as in the web) or long-standing like in a Pub/Sub system
15:42:26 <jhund> Soumya: so discovery could be querying or streaming?
15:42:48 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: right, some discovery is more like pubsub
15:43:40 <jhund> ...in the WoT. In the web nowerdays its more a one time query
15:43:57 <jhund> Soumya: I'll add it as dimension
15:44:56 <DanhLePhuoc> +1 for quality of data/measurement
15:45:00 <jhund> Edoardo_Pignotti: dimensions could also be: location, accessibility (e.g. paywalls), context, quality
15:45:18 <jhund> Soumya: what is meant by quality?
15:45:35 <jhund> Edoardo_Pignotti: I'll work on an example for next time
15:46:35 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: example: in SSN, same sensor types can be provided in different quality (e.g. resolution in temperature or wind speed)
15:47:08 <jhund> Edoardo_Pignotti: exact. accuracy could be one example for the quality
15:47:26 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: could be used for the ranking in discovery
15:47:51 <jhund> Soumya: ranking as in the reply of the discovery service
15:48:03 <jhund> DanhLePhuoc: exactly, it will be crucially needed
15:50:14 <jhund> jhund: difference between the observed object and the observing device
15:50:42 <jhund> Arne: also known as feature of interest in the SSN
15:51:17 <jhund> Soumya: is sharing a presentation on the TF goals in the next weeks
15:52:05 <jhund> ...distribute work on use cases (done)
15:52:13 <jhund> ...call for presentations
15:52:53 <jhund> ...joint session with TF-TD in mid-june
15:53:11 <jhund> ...joint session with IG-SP
15:53:48 <jhund> ...and set up a working document
15:54:16 <jhund> ...to be populated with the requirements resulting from the UCs
15:54:30 <jhund> ...will be set up in the wiki for starters
15:55:47 <jhund> jhund: we had the tooling question in the TF-AP as well
15:56:52 <jhund> Soumya: requirements draft will be ready for the F2F
15:57:22 <jhund> ...I'll give a presentation about the discussion of the TF
15:57:34 <jhund> ...other comments?
15:57:42 <jhund> none heard
15:57:50 <jhund> Soumya: closing the meeting
15:58:59 <jhund> ...was a good meeting. I'll update the outcomes into the wiki
15:59:08 <jhund> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:59:55 <jhund> Chair: Soumya
16:00:07 <jhund> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:03:27 <jhund> Meeting: W3C WoT IG Task force on discovery regular call pn 2015-05-20
16:03:31 <jhund> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:03:58 <jhund> Meeting: W3C WoT IG Task force on discovery regular call on 2015-05-20
16:04:02 <jhund> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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