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14:57:17 <kaz> zakim, this will be tv
14:57:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, kaz
14:57:24 <kaz> zakim, this will be ggie
14:57:24 <Zakim> ok, kaz, I see WEBT_GGIE TF()11:00AM already started
14:57:30 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:57:32 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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14:57:38 <Zakim> + +1.860.313.aabb
14:57:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:57:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, +1.202.429.aaaa, Kazuyuki, +1.860.313.aabb
14:57:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see BillRose, gmandyam, yosuke, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
14:58:33 <kaz> zakim, zakim, aaaa is So_Vang
14:58:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'zakim, aaaa is So_Vang', kaz
14:58:41 <kaz> zakim,  aaaa is So_Vang
14:58:41 <Zakim> +So_Vang; got it
14:58:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:58:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, So_Vang, Kazuyuki, +1.860.313.aabb
14:58:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see BillRose, gmandyam, yosuke, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
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14:59:57 <kaz> zakim, aabb is BillRose
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15:00:18 <kaz> zakim, aacc is glennd
15:00:19 <Zakim> +glennd; got it
15:00:24 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, So_Vang, Kazuyuki, BillRose, glennd
15:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see alex_deacon, BillRose, gmandyam, yosuke, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
15:00:40 <Zakim> + +1.650.646.aadd
15:00:43 <glennd> Just waiting for everyone to call in to the bridge
15:00:53 <kaz> zakim, aadd is alex_deacon
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15:01:48 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is yosuke
15:01:48 <Zakim> +yosuke; got it
15:02:02 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:02:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, So_Vang, Kazuyuki, BillRose, glennd, alex_deacon, yosuke
15:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see alex_deacon, BillRose, gmandyam, yosuke, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
15:03:38 <Zakim> + +8339aaee
15:04:40 <kaz> zakim, aaee is craig
15:04:40 <Zakim> +craig; got it
15:05:23 <glennd> Agenda 5-20-2015
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15:05:39 <kaz> scribenick: BillRose
15:05:40 <azamlerc> Hi folks! Andrew Zamler-Carhart from Cisco.
15:05:56 <kaz> zakim, craig is andrew
15:05:56 <Zakim> +andrew; got it
15:06:08 <glennd> Roll
15:06:41 <glennd> Last minutes 4-22-15 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2015Apr/0006.html
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15:07:05 <glennd> Use case review: https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/Content_Capture#Capture_UC-4_3rd_Party_Composite_Asset_From_Multiple_Sources
15:08:02 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:08:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, So_Vang, Kazuyuki, BillRose, glennd, alex_deacon, yosuke, andrew
15:08:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see yosuke, azamlerc, alex_deacon, BillRose, gmandyam, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
15:08:28 <kaz> Present: Giri, So, Kaz, Bill, Glenn, Alex, Yosuke, Andrew
15:09:29 <BillRose> The roll was called by Bill Rose
15:09:50 <BillRose> Glenn called for changes to the agenda and the minutes of the last meeting - no changes to either.
15:10:05 <Zakim> +Leslie_Daigle
15:11:04 <kaz> Present+ Leslie
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15:12:39 <BillRose> Glenn noted that there were a number of companies at the Streaming Media East Conference in NYC last week showing streaming content solutions, products and services. He asked that members reach out to these companies when they find them to join GGIE.
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15:15:08 <kaz> Present+ Mark
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15:17:27 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:17:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see gmandyam, So_Vang, Kazuyuki, BillRose, glennd, alex_deacon, yosuke, andrew, Leslie_Daigle, Mark_Vickers
15:17:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkVickers, JP, ldaigle, yosuke, azamlerc, alex_deacon, BillRose, gmandyam, glennd, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, jcverdie, richt, sangwhan_, tobie, timeless, trackbot
15:18:20 <Zakim> +Paul_Higgs
15:18:38 <kaz> Present+ Paul
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15:20:17 <BillRose> Bill Rose and Glenn Deen described a demo at the conference where a company was combing video and audio from multiple HDMI inputs on dedicated hardware to compose a TV experience.
15:20:41 <BillRose> The company was Skreens Entertainment Tech, out of Boston.
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15:25:18 <BillRose> Glenn noted that the application would benefit greatly from the use of metadata associated with each stream which would allow the client/app to do far more than a simple HDMI connection can. It was also noted that accurate timing information is necessary.
15:25:46 <BillRose> Andrew noted that Cisco has been working along these areas for several years.
15:26:31 <BillRose> Action Item: Look at the identification problems with respect to the ID of the content as well as an offset for the content for use in second screen applications.
15:26:31 <trackbot> Error finding 'Item'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
15:27:04 <glennd> Glennd
15:27:36 <glennd> Bill led us through : https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/Content_Capture#Capture_UC-4_3rd_Party_Composite_Asset_From_Multiple_Sources
15:28:29 <kaz> action: glenn_deen to  Look at the identification problems with respect to the ID of the content as well as an offset for the content for use in second screen applications.
15:28:29 <trackbot> Error finding 'glenn_deen'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
15:28:30 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:28:56 <glennd> action glennd to  Look at the identification problems with respect to the ID of the content as well as an offset for the content for use in second screen applications.
15:28:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'glennd'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
15:29:34 <kaz> action: glennd to  Look at the identification problems with respect to the ID of the content as well as an offset for the content for use in second screen applications.
15:29:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-211 -  look at the identification problems with respect to the id of the content as well as an offset for the content for use in second screen applications. [on Glenn Deen - due 2015-05-27].
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15:35:53 <glennd> bill & andrew - a compositor could assemble the composite stream by reference not by directly sourcing the stream
15:36:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:36:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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15:36:32 <glennd> andrew - would this be realtime or offline/timeshifted
15:36:59 <glennd> bill - could be all three - realtime, next week
15:37:13 <kaz> i/Roll/topic: Roll/
15:37:36 <kaz> i/Use case review:/topic: Use case review/
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15:37:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/20-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:38:29 <kaz> i/a compositor/scribenick: glennd/
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15:38:36 <glennd> andrew - metadata could be included in video somehow -      Question: does time of day of capture metadata get recorded in video
15:39:18 <glennd> glennd - no not consistently, some cameras will add it in extended metadata, but professional composed/edited content does not do that.
15:40:19 <glennd> andrew - metadata includes time of day, angle, location in stadium - all could be used to composite and present
15:45:43 <glennd> glennd - in still photos GPS data is part of exif - don't know if video containers/codecs capture location etc metadata
15:46:48 <glennd> glennd - potential GAP - need camera location metadata to reassemble 3D spacial positioning
15:47:44 <glennd> bill rose-  We need time too  - so while cameras may capture it, it may get stripped - so also need way to associate it with the content ID so it can be retrieved
15:50:41 <glennd> andrew - exif data in photos gets easily corrupted/lost during editing/transcoding - we need a way to find either the metadata or the identifier itself - doesn't need complicated image analysis.
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15:52:20 <glennd> glennd - potential gap - how to deal with a piece of content/stream that isn't marked at all by it's creator or distributor.
15:53:46 <glennd> glennd - This maybe an implementors issue to deal with unmarked connected.
15:54:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:55:47 <BillRose> Kaz - we should have an authentication mechanism to accept information from the 3rd party compositor in Capture UC4 to determine if the information provided is correct.
15:56:28 <azamlerc> I'm going to drop off because I need to run to another meeting. I'll summarize some of the use cases that we previously explored at Cisco in an email to the group. Thanks guys!
15:56:28 <BillRose> Glenn - you mean the camera may be mis-representing itself or the compositor provides misinformation.
15:56:45 <Zakim> -andrew
15:57:07 <BillRose> Glenn - 2 gaps. No way to validate the information being provided. e.g. signing the metadata
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15:57:55 <BillRose> Second gap - if the metadata is being referred to by the ID (metadata is stored externally for retrival) how can that metadata be validated?
15:59:15 <BillRose> Glenn - 3rd gap: If we are doing these references, lookup, etc., do we have a privacy issue that needs to be addressed? Clearly there is a privacy issue.
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16:03:28 <BillRose> Glenn: New applications have made it possible to determine camera angles, height, etc., and use it to correct a picture but also to re-capture privacy information.
16:05:46 <BillRose> Glenn: Discussion on next call and next steps. Noted that W3C is switching to WebEx in the future. The next call is currently scheduled for June 3rd which will still be on the current system. However he will be on a plane so he will need to reschedule it. Glenn will send notification as to potential new daters.
16:06:38 <kaz> i/Discussion/topic: Next calls/
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16:07:36 <BillRose> Glenn: Would like to shift work in mid-July to prioritizing the Use Cases we will report on in October. First rank the Use Cases and select the ones for the report. Then do a further analysis of the selected ones and dig more deeply into the gaps.
16:08:16 <BillRose> Then start to discuss the gaps, how they can be closed, and where the standardization work might best be done (which organizations).
16:09:14 <BillRose> Glenn: Current scheduled calls are for June 3rd, June 17, July 1st, and July 15th
16:09:47 <ldaigle> I will be there (IETF Prague).  Bought plane tix yesterday.
16:09:56 <Zakim> -So_Vang
16:09:56 <ldaigle> July 19 - 24
16:10:14 <BillRose> Glenn will be in the IETF meeting in Prague in July. Will others be there at the meeting and if so, let Glenn know and he will try to create an opportunity to meet there.
16:10:34 <alex_deacon> thanks glenn!
16:10:35 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
16:10:35 <BillRose> Glen closed the meeting at 12:10 PM ET.
16:10:37 <Zakim> -Leslie_Daigle
16:10:38 <Zakim> -alex_deacon
16:10:38 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
16:10:40 <Zakim> -yosuke
16:10:42 <Zakim> -BillRose
16:10:43 <Zakim> -glennd
16:10:45 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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16:10:45 <Zakim> Attendees were gmandyam, +1.202.429.aaaa, Kazuyuki, +1.860.313.aabb, So_Vang, BillRose, +1.818.370.aacc, glennd, +1.650.646.aadd, alex_deacon, yosuke, +8339aaee, andrew,
16:10:46 <Zakim> ... Leslie_Daigle, +1.415.480.aaff, Mark_Vickers, +1.415.480.aagg, Paul_Higgs, +1.415.480.aahh
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16:11:02 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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16:11:22 <kaz> i/we should have an/scribenick: BillRose/
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