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15:09:25 <jhund_> RRSAgent: start meeting
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15:11:49 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:11:49 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
15:11:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sebastian, DanhLePhuoc, jhund_, dape, rkawada, jlynn, RRSAgent, kaz, Joerg, flosal, trackbot
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15:12:29 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:12:29 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
15:12:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see ryuichi, Zakim, Sebastian, DanhLePhuoc, jhund_, dape, rkawada, jlynn, RRSAgent, kaz, Joerg, flosal, trackbot
15:13:01 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015May/0037.html
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15:13:24 <kaz> scribenick: Claes
15:13:49 <kaz> topic: TF reports
15:13:54 <Claes> Topic: Task Force reports
15:14:03 <kaz> s/topic: TF reports//
15:14:13 <kaz> [TF-AP]
15:14:15 <Claes> Johannes: TF-AP
15:14:51 <Claes> Absract mappings on APIs and protocols
15:15:20 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/APIs_and_Protocols_TF#Task_force_on_APIs_and_Protocols AP TF wiki
15:17:04 <jhund_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-AP/Example_sketch.md
15:17:11 <kaz> Present: Kaz, Joerg, Ashok, Danh, Kazuo, Ryoichi, Soumya, Vlad, Joel
15:17:20 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:17:20 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
15:17:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, ryuichi, Zakim, Sebastian, DanhLePhuoc, jhund_, dape, rkawada, jlynn, RRSAgent, kaz, Joerg, flosal, trackbot
15:17:59 <Claes> Plan is to further work on the Github page
15:18:42 <kaz> q+
15:19:00 <jhund_> ack kaz
15:20:12 <Claes> kaz: Relation between TF-TD and and TF-AP?
15:21:01 <Claes> ..Discussion in TF-TD should be based on outcome of TF-AP
15:21:47 <Claes> ..TF-AP should have priority
15:22:33 <kaz> s/TF-AP/TF-AP.  Also we should clearly define what the "WoT sever" and the "Wot devices" are like
15:24:24 <Claes> Conclusion is tyhat stronger collaboration is needed, also with W3C DAP discussion on Generic Sensor API
15:24:42 <Claes> TF-TD, Sebastian:
15:25:03 <Claes> .. Have had first meeting
15:25:13 <Claes> .. What to expect from TD language
15:25:21 <kaz> i/TF-TD/[TF-TD]/
15:27:20 <Claes> ..Clarify what a TD is, use cases and what to describe, building elements on TDL, what kind vocabulary, appropriate format,
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15:29:54 <Claes> ..Presentations next web meeting on core link format and public funded project "Open IOT"
15:30:28 <Claes> .. Hope to be able to give the direction for this TF at the next F2F.
15:31:16 <kaz> s/tyhat/that/
15:31:50 <kaz> q+
15:32:55 <Claes> .. Suggest TF particpants to consider direction of TF so this could be defined.
15:35:01 <DanhLePhuoc> +q
15:35:19 <Claes> .. Need to align terminology, we need one model
15:35:43 <Claes> .. Work on this is ongoing on wiki
15:38:18 <Claes> .. Discussion on how to document...
15:41:52 <Claes> Vlad: Will put his document on Github and group can work on that.
15:42:26 <jhund_> q?
15:42:37 <jhund_> ack kaz
15:42:38 <Claes> Vlad will discuss with Johannes to merge stuff
15:44:05 <Claes> kaz: Wondering if this TF is going to create a complete system like RDF?
15:44:22 <kaz> (or ad-on mechanism like RDFa?)
15:45:05 <jhund_> ack DanhLePhuoc
15:45:16 <Claes> Sebastian: We will look at those aspects
15:45:57 <Claes> DanhLePhuoc: TD and discovery are related
15:46:36 <Claes> Joerg: We need to revisit this issue next IG meeting
15:46:50 <Claes> .. merge these groups???
15:48:40 <Claes> TF-DI: Soumya
15:49:01 <Claes> ..showing lsides
15:49:11 <Claes> s/lsides/slides
15:49:40 <Claes> .. generic understandning
15:49:48 <Claes> .. survey of landscape
15:50:07 <Claes> .. context, local/remote
15:50:17 <Claes> .. how to use TD in discovery
15:50:40 <Claes> .. what are we discovering?
15:51:09 <Claes> .. how discovery fits into the general WoT framework
15:51:44 <Claes> .. have had one meeting
15:52:54 <Claes> ..plans: use cases, joint session with TF-TD and security/privacy group
15:53:05 <Claes> s/session/sessions
15:53:46 <kaz> i/TF-DI/[TF-DI]/
15:55:02 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:55:02 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
15:55:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see dromasca, Claes, ryuichi, Zakim, DanhLePhuoc, jhund_, dape, rkawada, jlynn, RRSAgent, kaz, Joerg, flosal, trackbot
15:55:42 <Claes> Joerg: Sent some slides on WoT architecture
15:56:00 <Claes> .. Showing the slides
15:57:49 <Claes> .. could we jointly work on these slides?
15:58:30 <Claes> kaz: Good to use UML
15:58:49 <kaz> s/kaz:/kaji:/
15:59:55 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015May/0042.html Joerg's message
16:00:32 <Claes> Joerg. We should have a shred way to discuss on architecture, feasible to take this approach?
16:00:40 <kaz> s/Joerg./Joerg:/
16:00:47 <kaz> s/shred/shared/
16:00:55 <Claes> s /shred/shared/
16:01:53 <Claes> Problem with hosting F2F in July
16:02:49 <Claes> TF.meetings on Wednesday shifting times
16:03:26 <Claes> Sorry, need to drop of now
16:05:00 <dape> Joerg: We tried to clear up the confusion w.r.t. to the meetings on the wiki
16:05:16 <dape> .. see https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page#Upcoming_Meetings
16:05:59 <dape> Joerg: Next meeting there will be  more reports on security and privacy
16:06:31 <dape> Oliver: Security & Privacy "team" is about to start
16:07:04 <dape> Oliver: Team will try to attend the telecons of task forces
16:07:33 <dape> Oliver: Started already with information on wiki, more to come..
16:07:53 <dape> TOPIC: AOB
16:08:35 <dape> Joerg: None
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16:11:10 <kaz> [sorry but we should be careful about the collaboration with the other groups related to security/privacy regarding the security&privacy team/tf ]
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22:53:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
22:53:45 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
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23:11:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
23:11:43 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
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23:14:13 <Souleiman> Meeting Minutes
23:14:58 <Souleiman> Souleiman to prepare a presentation on the JSON-LD and send by email
23:16:07 <Souleiman> Soumya presented on IETF CoRE Link Format
23:16:22 <Souleiman> which could be seen as a thing description language
23:18:00 <Souleiman> CORE is for constrained RESTful environments
23:18:37 <Souleiman> so it realizes REST over constrained nodes
23:21:05 <Souleiman> CORE describes web linking via a link format
23:21:37 <Souleiman> it can be used to describe hosted resources, and relationships between them
23:22:56 <Souleiman> an interesting concept in CORE is its directory of resources
23:24:45 <Souleiman> definitions in CORE are: resource type, interface definition, and function sets
23:28:21 <Souleiman> the software implementation can be done in JSON
23:29:01 <Souleiman> a description file is < 1 KBin size (lightweight)
23:30:13 <Souleiman> The presentation by Soumya is based mainly on IETF RFC 6690, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/pdfrfc/rfc6690.txt.pdf
23:35:33 <Souleiman> Some questions on the actual attributes such as name, and what their values could be
23:36:03 <Souleiman> Soumya to send some more explaining materials via email
23:45:04 <Souleiman> Danh: the description should constitute both the protocols and the data with its context
23:45:30 <Souleiman> So data should be self-describing
23:46:13 <Souleiman> A point from Sebastian is on the actuators which is a point we could discuss later.
23:46:34 <Souleiman> Danh presented on the OpenIoT project
23:48:06 <Souleiman> the background for OpenIoT is the need to provide a unified data presentation across systems related to IoT
23:48:28 <Souleiman> the barrier is that systems use their own data presentation
23:48:58 <Souleiman> The approach is based on Web standards such as RDF, and HTTP as protocols
23:49:58 <Souleiman> Nodes or things are described by URIs
23:50:12 <Souleiman> and then RDF triples add facts about these things
23:50:34 <Souleiman> Data can be serialized in various formats includeing JSON-LD, text, XML
23:52:00 <Souleiman> Global schema as a common understanding: e.g. schema.org, SKOS, sensor ontology
23:52:24 <Souleiman> related community groups: RDF stream processing
23:52:42 <Souleiman> RDF with temporal semantics
23:55:21 <Souleiman> a core concept in OpenIoT is that dynamic data and static data are combined using the unified data representation
23:56:37 <Souleiman> An example is the use of the SSN ontology which allows the description of sensors meta data and also of sensor readings
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00:12:21 <Souleiman> Danh mentioned the Spatial Data on the Web Working Group  which would be good to have a presentation about later on
00:12:50 <Souleiman> Sebastian to contact Kerry Taylor on that topic
00:13:46 <Souleiman> Conclusions and progress in the task force which would be published on the web page
00:16:09 <rkawada> Thank you
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00:16:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-wot-minutes.html Sebastian
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07:02:57 <jhund> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015May/0046.html
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07:08:06 <Istvan> scribe - Istvan
07:08:18 <jhund>  - Preliminals - Recap sketched structure: https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-AP/Example_sketch.md  - Discussion with sensor API WG: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/18  - Goal setting for TF work until F2F - AOB
07:08:50 <Istvan> Ohannes asked for agenda bashing, no comments were made
07:09:17 <Istvan> ongoing discussion about sensor API, Github repo
07:09:33 <Istvan> JOhannes mentioned about the face to afce meeting agenda
07:09:54 <jhund>  https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-AP/Example_sketch.md
07:10:13 <Istvan> Johannes, mentioned about the Github document, details about how to structure the TF
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07:10:46 <Istvan> anybody can submit pull request, Githib is the best tool
07:11:19 <Istvan> in terms of content we have the basic structure proposed
07:11:52 <Istvan> Johannes - basic model contains metadata, events and actions
07:12:22 <Istvan> Johannes - we could try to map these to HMTL, XMPP or COAP/MQTT at a later stage
07:12:39 <Istvan> Johannes - we can reference how this API can look like at a later stage
07:13:13 <Istvan> Johannes - focus on cross domain and cross device level structure of WoT
07:13:33 <Istvan> Johannes - main input should be focusing on structure, not content at the moment
07:13:43 <kaz> present+ kaz
07:13:59 <Istvan> Johannes - team is encouraged to provide feedback and comment on the document
07:15:34 <Istvan> Johannes - any questions on the document structure?
07:15:45 <Istvan> no feedback was received
07:16:09 <Istvan> Johannes - we should also look at viable alternatives to the current proposal, no comments was mentioned about the tooling
07:16:14 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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07:16:28 <Istvan> Johannes - next agenda point
07:16:56 <kaz> Chair: Johannes
07:17:31 <Istvan> Johannes - generic sensor API topic - define an API for a sensor on the device, for example a smartphone which is equipped with ambient light, geo sensors etc.
07:18:21 <Istvan> Johannes - sensor API group proposal - we can structure our API based on this API
07:19:20 <Istvan> Johannes - look at list of of known sensor types as a main difference, we can also focus on actuators (currently out of scope from sensor API)
07:19:59 <Istvan> Johannes - we should avoid parallel development, we need to leverage their baseline and look at our API definition
07:20:22 <kaz> Present (for record) - kaz, johannes, istvan, kazuaki, takuki
07:20:34 <kaz> q+
07:20:42 <jhund> ack kaz
07:21:07 <Istvan> Johannes - Github API sketch shared on webex, comments are welcomed
07:22:18 <Istvan> Kazuyuki - proposed a new dedicated IRC channel for each TF meetings because minutes are mixed (confusing)
07:23:02 <Istvan> for the next call, action is taken by Johannes (wiki will be modified according to the proposal)
07:24:32 <Istvan> Johannes - point agreed about separate IRC channels for each TF
07:25:14 <Istvan> Johannes - sensor API group has been asked a questions for collaboration among groups.
07:25:47 <Istvan> Kazuyuki - we need to establish liaison with external bodies, such as device API group etc.
07:26:20 <Istvan> Johannes - took an action to sync up with Joerg about cross links with other groups
07:26:50 <Istvan> Johannes - next agenda item - goal settings for the next face to face meeting
07:27:19 <kaz> s/such as device API group etc./but we don't have to do that for W3C groups.  the WoT IG Chair simply can send a message to the Chairs of the other groups, e.g., Device API/
07:27:32 <Istvan> Johannes - what will be the inputs for the next F2F meeting, 1. documentation about APIs and protocols 2. architecture
07:28:36 <Istvan> Johannes - start document on 2. architecture model work
07:28:45 <kaz> i|proposed a new|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-AP/Example_sketch.md API sketch|
07:29:21 <kaz> q+
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07:29:40 <jhund> ack kaz
07:30:17 <Istvan> Kaz - architecture has two components, we need to clairfy
07:30:39 <Istvan> we need to be clear on devices and server side
07:31:40 <Istvan> Kaz - we can start with a proposal for a basic architecture
07:32:26 <Istvan> Johannes - the doc proposal covers client side, server side and protocol on the high level
07:32:40 <kaz> s/basic architecture/basic architecture.  each proposer could explain what their proposed components should do, e.g., WoT server, Wot device and WoT servient/
07:33:57 <Istvan> Johannes - we need to collect the ideas from slides and merge he different views to a single doc for a common understanding
07:34:13 <Istvan> Johannes - how could we start this piece of work
07:34:57 <Istvan> Kaz - proposed to start the draft, asking the presenters by adding it to wiki or creating a new doc
07:35:29 <Istvan> Johannes - best approach would be to open wiki and add all presentations to it, we have a wiki on W3C page already
07:35:54 <Istvan> Kaz - people can add their content / slides to the wiki as next step
07:36:20 <Istvan> Johannes - action to open a wiki page for this place-holder
07:36:54 <Istvan> +1
07:36:57 <kaz> +1
07:37:26 <Istvan> Dape - what is the plan to structure the wiki page?
07:37:56 <Istvan> Johannes - wikipage structure is TBD, it makes sense to propose a structure
07:38:23 <kaz> Present (for record) - kaz, jhund, Istvan, k_nimura, taki, dape
07:38:33 <Istvan> Dape - took the action to make a proposal for creating a structure on the wikipage
07:40:07 <Istvan> Johannes - we have one doc for architecture, one for protocol binding, do we need anything else for the F2F mtg
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07:40:12 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
07:40:12 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
07:40:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see dape, kaz, k_nimura1, taki, Istvan, jhund, schuki, RRSAgent, flosal, trackbot
07:41:06 <Istvan> Johannes - pointed out the draft charter, asked for comments from the team
07:41:30 <Istvan> Johannes - AOB
07:42:50 <Istvan> meeting is closed
07:43:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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