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17:00:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SOCL
17:00:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start now
17:00:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
17:00:18 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
17:00:37 <tantek> hey harry - we're considering cancelling the telcon for this week
17:00:37 <tantek> there's only two explicitly added agenda items
17:00:57 <cwebber2> SIP is down for me
17:01:00 <harry> Happy to reconvene next week.
17:01:02 <cwebber2> dialing in via phone
17:01:03 <tantek> and both of them are ok by elf-pavlik to be postponed to next week
17:01:04 <Zakim> T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has now started
17:01:08 <elf-pavlik> let's start the meeting and discuss canceling all together?
17:01:10 <cwebber2> didn't we have some leftover by last week?
17:01:12 <Zakim> +Sandro
17:01:17 <Zakim> +Ann
17:01:18 <tantek> cwebber2: not according to the agenda
17:01:19 <harry> However, I know we have a backlog of ActivityStreams issues from jsnell
17:01:23 <harry> so if we want to go through those
17:01:31 <Zakim> +jasnell
17:01:46 <harry> We could maybe just do a quick meeting and go over open issues and next steps on the API
17:01:53 <harry> as aaronpk and rhiaro have done some good work
17:02:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:02:08 <wilkie> Zakim, IPcaller is me
17:02:08 <Zakim> +wilkie; got it
17:02:08 <tantek> harry - before you joined - that can be done async
17:02:10 <Zakim> +aaronpk
17:02:10 <harry> Zakim, what's the code?
17:02:11 <tantek> no need for telcon for that
17:02:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), harry
17:02:25 <tantek> harry - is there anything that you need a resolution for today
17:02:29 <rhiaro> okay I"m just getting service unavailable for SIP
17:02:40 <harry> I think we should ask jsnell that?
17:02:40 <tantek> harry - that's a horrible excuse to spend time
17:02:49 <tantek> harry, I've been asking in here for past 15 minutes
17:02:54 <tantek> so far no objections to cancelling
17:02:55 <harry> There's a huge backlog of ActivityStreams items
17:02:55 <cwebber2> oh
17:02:56 <cwebber2> right
17:02:57 <tsyesika> rhiaro: me too
17:03:03 <rhiaro> oh no, zakim is dying :(
17:03:06 <harry> but I'm happy to leave that to editor's discretion, but if there's anything he wants input on, happy to do that
17:03:07 <tantek> and postponing the two explicit agenda items to next week
17:03:09 <cwebber2> I thought we wanted to talk about whether or not webid was FYN
17:03:13 <tsyesika> i'm also geting service unavailable
17:03:16 <rhiaro> cwebber2: but no evan
17:03:19 <tantek> cwebber2: not on the agenda
17:03:21 <cwebber2> ah yeah
17:03:32 <AnnB> if tantek is too busy or caught unawares re: chairing, perhaps Harry could do it
17:03:32 <cwebber2> is SIP working for anyone?  seems not
17:03:45 <AnnB> (noting that tantek is in CSS WG meeting)
17:03:47 <tantek> Ok folks, proposal
17:03:48 <Zakim> +Marilyn
17:03:48 <rhiaro> cwebber2: I'm getting an unavailable error I"ve never seen before
17:03:52 <melvster1> cwebber2: webid is FYN, using web standards, http and rdf (turtle)
17:03:57 <harry> I'm happy to step in if James Snell or any of the other editors
17:04:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:04:06 <aaronpk> poor zakim
17:04:19 <tantek> PROPOSAL: Postpone the two explicit agenda items from this week to next week, and ACTION ALL   read https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/ by next week
17:04:26 <tantek> please +1 / 0 / -1
17:04:34 <tantek> in IRC
17:04:37 <rhiaro> 0 since I can't dial in
17:04:41 <jasnell> I'm on
17:04:42 <tsyesika> i also can't
17:04:47 <elf-pavlik> keep meeting
17:04:48 <cwebber2> +0
17:04:52 <cwebber2> on postponing
17:04:53 <tantek> can't dial-in is a good reason to +1
17:04:54 <wilkie> +0
17:04:57 <cwebber2> since nobody can dial in it seems like
17:05:05 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: keep only if others can connect
17:05:07 <cwebber2> that's enough reason
17:05:11 <tantek> cwebber2: yes
17:05:16 <cwebber2> so maybe +1 even
17:05:24 <rhiaro> there are a bunch of people on already though
17:05:24 <cwebber2> seems like we'll be scrambling to keep it going
17:05:38 <rhiaro> maybe people on the phone should say something
17:05:39 <cwebber2> hm well I can call in via phone
17:05:48 <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
17:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Ann, jasnell, wilkie, aaronpk, Marilyn, elf-pavlik
17:05:50 <AnnB> Harry's going to check quickly with SysTeam
17:05:50 <elf-pavlik> jasnell: happy to go throught the AS2 issues
17:05:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, harry, jasnell, Zakim, elf-pavlik, AnnB, tilgovi, melvster1, tantek, shepazu, cwebber2, KevinMarks, melvster, oshepherd_, slvrbckt, rhiaro, Arnaud, aaronpk,
17:05:51 <Zakim> ... wilkie, kylewm, raucao, bret, ben_thatmustbeme, tsyesika, tessierashpool_, mattl, dwhly, Loqi, tommorris_, ElijahLynn, JakeHart, bigbluehat, trackbot, sandro, wseltzer
17:05:58 <tantek> jasnell is in both places
17:06:18 <wilkie> do we need a scribe then?
17:06:23 <elf-pavlik> one action done :)
17:06:27 <elf-pavlik> action-43
17:06:27 <trackbot> action-43 -- Pavlik elf to propose *lightweight* inference based on RDFa Vocabulary Expansion -- due 2015-04-14 -- OPEN
17:06:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/43
17:06:33 <elf-pavlik> action-49
17:06:33 <trackbot> action-49 -- Pavlik elf to Publish as2.0 data on one's own website -- due 2015-03-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:06:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/49
17:06:35 <elf-pavlik> sorry this one :)
17:06:36 <tantek> if you can't dial-in, then I'd suggest +1
17:06:41 <Zakim> + +1.773.614.aaaa
17:06:52 <harry> There does seem to be a SIP issue - we're tracking it down folks
17:07:00 <harry> but it won't be figured out within the next few minutes :(
17:07:05 <Loqi> aww, cheer up
17:07:07 <rhiaro> SIP issue asside, it does look like there are enough people for a call
17:07:14 <AnnB> yes, I agree
17:07:14 <tantek> rhiaro: that wasn't the question
17:07:19 <AnnB> too much to do to canc3l
17:07:26 <tantek> also not a good reason to spend them time
17:07:31 <AnnB> s/canc3l/cancel/
17:07:33 <tantek> AnnB - not according to the agenda
17:07:42 <elf-pavlik> we could touch on How to relate as:Profile to as:Object it describes?
17:07:42 <tantek> ok I'll action folks to add to next week's agenda accordingly then
17:07:45 <AnnB> we need to get better re: agenda
17:07:59 <tantek> AnnB - those that say "too much to do" need to add that "too much" explicitly to the agenda
17:08:01 <cwebber2> elf-pavlik: correct
17:08:04 <tantek> otherwise it might as well not exist
17:08:11 <AnnB> (Jasnell looking at open issues .. )
17:08:38 <AnnB> Harry asks jasnell if this is a good time to review the open issue
17:08:55 <elf-pavlik> q+ re: will update draft include as:Profile ?
17:09:04 <AnnB> jasnell: actually, might be better to spend his time getting an updated working draft
17:09:19 <tantek> Alright, we've given the proposal 5 minutes, and there are +0s and +1 maybe. No objections. Proposal passes and this week's telcon is canceled. Please if you have urgent or "too much to do" items add it to the agenda for next week.
17:09:32 <tantek> RESOLVED: Postpone the two explicit agenda items from this week to next week, and ACTION ALL  read https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/ by next week
17:09:44 <elf-pavlik> -1
17:09:48 <tantek> you may have the remainder of your hour
17:10:01 <tantek> elf-pavlik: I concluded that based on your earlier "no objection" remark
17:10:40 <jasnell> fyi... Harry is wanting to have elf discuss raised issues despite resolution
17:10:55 <tantek> REMINDER ALL: If you have "urgent" (needs resolution by today, or your implementation is blocked) items, or if you think (or *said* in IRC "too much to do" - "lots to talk about") it is your responsibility to add it to the Agenda *BEFORE* the call.
17:11:09 <harry> We'll do a quick meeting  (given they are both on phone) while we have elf and jasnell on the phone but save formal resolutions for next meeting when we have quorum.
17:11:22 <tantek> harry - the meeting has been canceled for today
17:11:32 <tantek> please feel free to use any mediums you wish for informal discussions
17:11:35 <harry> So the meeting is formally cancelled but we can use the hour to discuss some open issues, which we can formally resolve next meeting.
17:11:38 <tantek> especially if it gets people to align.
17:11:44 <harry> Sound like a plan tantek?
17:11:55 <tantek> I'm going to add to next week's agenda - re-opening IP licensing of PuSH 0.4
17:11:57 <elf-pavlik> jasnell: we have as:Profile but not way to say that it is about this as:Person or as:Event
17:12:08 <tantek> AnnB - that also wasn't the question
17:12:18 <tantek> meeting for the sake of meeting is insufficient
17:12:47 <AnnB> scribenick: AnnB
17:12:55 <harry> elf asked to remove profile or clarify it
17:12:55 <tantek> tantek has changed the topic to: Social WG: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg - Next meeting agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-26 - logs: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/today
17:13:22 <AnnB> jasnell:  we have a week or 2 to figure profile object, how it's used, before Working Draft published
17:13:27 <AnnB> ... need some proposals
17:13:33 <Zakim> -aaronpk
17:13:36 <harry> q?
17:13:42 <harry> ack elf-pavlik
17:13:42 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss will update draft include as:Profile ?
17:13:51 <elf-pavlik> action-49
17:13:51 <harry> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:13:51 <trackbot> action-49 -- Pavlik elf to Publish as2.0 data on one's own website -- due 2015-03-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:13:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Ann, jasnell, wilkie, Marilyn, elf-pavlik, cwebber2
17:13:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/49
17:14:00 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Deployments#Activity_Streams_2.0
17:14:57 <AnnB> elf-pavlik: wants people to publish AS 2.0 data on their sites
17:15:08 <AnnB> ... rhiaro, elf, and jasnell have done so
17:15:11 <harry> OK, happy to see implementations and a wikipage to track them.
17:15:33 <AnnB> ... that way people can be consuming each others' feeds and see how it works
17:15:35 <harry> q?
17:16:08 <AnnB> harry: any other technical issues to discuss?
17:16:26 <cwebber2> nothin'
17:16:28 <cwebber2> good to close out
17:16:33 <wilkie> nope. good call. haha
17:16:40 <AnnB> ... notes that neither rhiaro or tsyesika are on phone (due to SIP probs)
17:16:54 <AnnB> ... thanks for very brief meeting; will reconvene next week
17:16:54 <wilkie> thanks!!
17:16:56 <Zakim> -jasnell
17:16:58 <harry> Informal meeting closed.
17:16:59 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
17:17:00 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:17:02 <Zakim> -wilkie
17:17:08 <Zakim> -Marilyn
17:17:12 <Zakim> -cwebber2
17:17:13 <harry> trackbot, end meeting
17:17:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:17:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sandro, Ann, jasnell, wilkie, aaronpk, Marilyn, elf-pavlik, +1.773.614.aaaa, cwebber2
17:17:13 <Zakim> -Ann
17:17:15 <Zakim> T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has ended
17:17:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, Ann, jasnell, wilkie, aaronpk, Marilyn, elf-pavlik, +1.773.614.aaaa, cwebber2
17:17:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:17:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-social-minutes.html trackbot
17:17:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:17:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items