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15:40:32 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Chaohai Ding , Tim Boland,E.A. Draffan,John Rochford,Deborah Dahl, Jamie Knight,Anthony Doran ,Michael Pluke
15:41:07 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:41:09 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items, actions, and timelines
15:41:10 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  SVG meeting follow up
15:41:12 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  right term for aria "function"
15:41:13 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Proposal for Dementia and mci
15:41:15 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Issue papers
15:41:16 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:57:24 <Lisa_Seeman> MichaelC reminder we can not start the webex without you!
15:57:36 <Lisa_Seeman> or check the audio etc
15:57:42 <MichaelC> you should be able to
15:57:46 <MichaelC> 5 minutes before the call
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15:58:53 <Lisa_Seeman> not giving em audio
15:59:03 <Lisa_Seeman> ayelet are you on webex
15:59:48 <Lisa_Seeman> audio is not working
16:00:20 <ayelet_s> i think we might need michael to join to have audio
16:00:40 <MichaelC> only see Ayelet on it
16:02:25 <Lisa_Seeman> I lgged back in
16:02:32 <Lisa_Seeman> now i seem to have audio
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16:05:21 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe:ayelet_s
16:07:08 <ayelet_s> waiting for quorum
16:07:18 <janina> present+ Janina
16:08:19 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:08:49 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
16:08:55 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/user-research/aging.html
16:09:19 <ayelet_s> LS: updated the techniques and aging.
16:10:37 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:10:47 <ayelet_s> LS: mid June, techniques should be ready for the next draft
16:11:38 <ayelet_s> ..... but we need E. A. and Niell's contributions, who aren't on the call
16:12:04 <ayelet_s> ... could we close action items that were open for over a year?
16:12:22 <ayelet_s> MC: if they are no longer needed
16:14:04 <ayelet_s> LS: action 10 - is needed. will see if she could ping Suzanne to do it
16:14:30 <ayelet_s> ...action 13 - review of aria - not needed, will be closed
16:14:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:15:23 <ayelet_s> ...action 17: usability review, still needed
16:15:58 <ayelet_s> ... Review daisy and epub - unneeded
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16:16:43 <ayelet_s> ... dyscalculia and numbers, neill and E.a. will add
16:18:04 <ayelet_s> ...interoperable paper - Mike wrote 2 drafts, will consult before closing
16:19:29 <ayelet_s> ... rich will  	Ask gotfreid if we can review urc
16:20:04 <ayelet_s> ... Ayelet did initial check on harmonizing taxonomies, will continue working on the harmonization
16:20:47 <ayelet_s> ... Check that litral or mefor is in the page of suggested aria sematics done
16:21:03 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:22:13 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
16:22:13 <Zakim> agendum 2. "SVG meeting follow up" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:22:22 <ayelet_s> LS: had a concern - priority of helping SVG vs. giving the WCAG support deliverables
16:23:18 <Lisa_Seeman> June 7th: Release of 2nd editors draft of techniques - to include more techniques including for numbers and restructuring 31st July - Frease 1st Working Draft to go to WCAG and PF for approval for: Issue papers, Techniques, Gap analysis 31st August Editors draft of the roadmap 1st November Editors draft for information for WCAG 1st November 2nd Working Draft of user research module 1st...
16:23:20 <Lisa_Seeman> ...December Editors draft of the glossary
16:24:11 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:24:34 <ayelet_s> ... deadlines are important because WCAG put in their deadlines having a COGA extension by november
16:24:35 <MichaelC> q+
16:24:39 <ayelet_s> ...
16:25:50 <Lisa_Seeman> ack m
16:26:11 <ayelet_s> RS: SVG might go slowly, and take pieces of it. have a lot to do about providing semantics for graphics and robots at the moment. if we have ideas for navigation, that will be welcome.
16:26:53 <ayelet_s> MC: in the short term, what will be done will be more in the category of techniques. the rest is further down the road
16:27:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:27:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
16:28:03 <ayelet_s> MC: so far, nothing SVG specific
16:28:24 <ayelet_s> ... gap analysis originally against WCAG.
16:28:32 <ayelet_s> LS: it will need a phase 2
16:29:54 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:30:02 <Lisa_Seeman> ack r
16:30:06 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:30:21 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:30:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, Lisa_Seeman
16:30:28 <ayelet_s> discussion: when will aria modules be ready
16:30:29 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 3
16:30:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "right term for aria "function"" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:30:45 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-aria-charter Draft ARIA charter
16:31:48 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015May/0046.html
16:32:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack richardschwerdtfeger
16:32:08 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons
16:32:21 <ayelet_s> In terms of charter: if the coga group splits, we will  joint work between groups
16:32:27 <ayelet_s> *MC:
16:33:25 <ayelet_s> LS: the idea is to have aria like semantics where people could list the function/task, importance, numbers free alterntive text, etc.
16:35:24 <ayelet_s> Rich: wouldn't make it a role, but aria-function, or aria-task
16:36:12 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:37:11 <ayelet_s> LS: prefers the term function, in case we need the term task later on
16:37:22 <Lisa_Seeman> prosal for aria-function
16:37:33 <Lisa_Seeman> +1
16:37:34 <ayelet_s> does anyone object or has alternative suggestions?
16:37:36 <ayelet_s> +1
16:38:18 <MichaelC> q+
16:38:42 <ayelet_s> RS: will be a joint deliverable for the aria group and whichever group COGA is joined to
16:38:45 <ayelet_s> LS:
16:40:02 <MichaelC> q-
16:40:02 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Lisa to right up the aria proposal as requirment and add aria-function
16:40:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Right up the aria proposal as requirment and add aria-function [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-05-25].
16:40:04 <ayelet_s>  will need 1) aria-function; 2) aria-importance; 3) number free text, 4) non literal
16:40:47 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:40:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-aria-charter
16:40:52 <ayelet_s> MC: should focus on on requirements rather than semantics
16:41:51 <ayelet_s> Rich: timelines - in charter, working draft by 2017
16:42:43 <ayelet_s> LS: need it by November 2015, as WCAG need it for then
16:43:13 <ayelet_s> if we don't push for that day, any changes will be in next version
16:44:39 <ayelet_s> RS: need it to be reviewed by both groups by that date
16:45:27 <ayelet_s> LS: 1st public working draft by Nov 2015
16:46:21 <ayelet_s> ...we have 5 volunteers making JSON scripts, including out of W3C
16:46:35 <ayelet_s> ... believes it will take one year further
16:47:29 <ayelet_s> ...November 2015: first working draft. November 2016: CR
16:47:57 <ayelet_s> RS: do you believe it will go quickly from CR to recommendation?
16:48:26 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:48:31 <ayelet_s> LS: 5 different organisations implementing
16:49:02 <ayelet_s> Janina: better early than late, so better be careful with the dates
16:49:31 <ayelet_s> LS: fine with longer gap between 1st working draft and CR
16:49:47 <ayelet_s> Michael: how long will it be in CR?
16:50:15 <ayelet_s> RS: guess 6 months - August 2017
16:52:33 <ayelet_s> 1st public working draft: november 2015. CR draft: January 2017. PR draft: Jan 2018.
16:53:07 <ayelet_s> PR: May 2018. gives longer for multiple CRs
16:53:55 <ayelet_s> Michael: April 2018 for recommendation
16:54:06 <ayelet_s> LS: concerned with wcag
16:54:45 <ayelet_s> MC: wcag recommends techniques twice a year
16:56:04 <ayelet_s> ... timelines for WCAG extensions are seperate issue
16:57:57 <ayelet_s> LS: concerned with WCAG extensions. could they use techniques in working draft
16:58:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: Regrets for next 2 weeks as I am on vacation
16:59:18 <ayelet_s> MC: it will be in recommendations. we could have recommendations not dependant on aria
16:59:37 <ayelet_s> LS: such techniques will be horrible
17:00:42 <ayelet_s> MC: wcag had some horrible techniques. strongly disrecommends teqhniques that rely only on one technology
17:01:10 <ayelet_s> LS: would like aria to see how much it could be synched
17:02:33 <Lisa_Seeman> MC: do not depend on one technology for wcag
17:02:36 <Lisa_Seeman> SC
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17:04:18 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/18-coga-actions.rdf :
17:04:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa to right up the aria proposal as requirment and add aria-function [1]
17:04:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/18-coga-irc#T16-40-02-1