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13:54:59 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:55:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:55:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:55:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:55:04 <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2015
13:55:14 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015May/0010.html
13:55:19 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:55:25 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:55:44 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:55:59 <aphillip> agenda+ Process Change for Working Group
13:56:08 <aphillip> agenda+ Encoding update
13:56:17 <aphillip> agenda+ Character Model
13:56:30 <aphillip> agenda+ Review pending comments
13:56:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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13:58:30 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
13:58:37 <Zakim> + +1.813.410.aaaa
13:59:35 <Zakim> +aphillip
13:59:55 <aphillip> zakim, +1.813 is Steve_Atkin
13:59:55 <Zakim> +Steve_Atkin; got it
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14:00:56 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:00:56 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:00:57 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:32 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aabb
14:01:48 <Zakim> +??P13
14:01:48 <aphillip> zakim, +1.408 is Leandro
14:01:49 <Zakim> +Leandro; got it
14:01:55 <Zakim> +JcK
14:02:04 <aphillip> zakim,, ??P13 is David
14:02:05 <Zakim> I don't understand ', ??P13 is David', aphillip
14:02:21 <David> Zakim, ??P13 is me
14:02:21 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:02:29 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Richard, Leandro, David, JcK
14:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, Leandro, r12a, David, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, koji, trackbot
14:03:06 <aphillip> agenda?
14:03:14 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:03:58 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:03:59 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:13 <aphillip> action-440?
14:06:13 <trackbot> action-440 -- Richard Ishida to Follow up with daniel about ethiopic information -- due 2015-05-14 -- OPEN
14:06:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/440
14:06:20 <aphillip> close action-440
14:06:20 <trackbot> Closed action-440.
14:06:27 <aphillip> richard: did this, waiting for a response from him
14:06:44 <aphillip> action-441?
14:06:44 <trackbot> action-441 -- Richard Ishida to Write back to fantasai/csswg and propose a way to organize layout information -- due 2015-05-14 -- OPEN
14:06:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/441
14:06:54 <aphillip> richard: did chat with fantasai, need to type up results
14:07:07 <aphillip> agenda+ organizing layout information
14:07:19 <aphillip> close action-441
14:07:19 <trackbot> Closed action-441.
14:07:24 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:07:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:07:45 <aphillip> agenda?
14:08:26 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:08:33 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:09:10 <r12a> agenda+ web payments review
14:10:19 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:10:32 <aphillip> richard: put "rangefinder" into radar?
14:10:36 <aphillip> addison: will do
14:11:18 <aphillip> richard: adding some of your guidelines to document, will post soon
14:11:39 <aphillip> ... just throwing them in, not "carefully crafting"
14:11:44 <aphillip> ... "you have been warned"
14:14:12 <aphillip> richard: counter styles: plan to change hebrew
14:14:22 <aphillip> ... css will reissue and we'll need to track
14:14:55 <aphillip> richard: some updating on articless
14:14:59 <aphillip> ... use of <b> and <i>
14:15:11 <aphillip> ... syncing text quotes from html5 to the document
14:15:16 <aphillip> ... message remains the same
14:15:59 <aphillip> agenda?
14:16:15 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:16:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Process Change for Working Group" taken up [from aphillip]
14:18:41 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#last-call
14:19:06 <aphillip> addison: proposal to change this WG to the 2014 process
14:21:17 <aphillip> action: addison: remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference
14:21:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-442 - Remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-05-21].
14:21:22 <aphillip> agenda?
14:22:08 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:22:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "organizing layout information" taken up [from aphillip]
14:22:20 <aphillip> richard: fantasai from css
14:22:33 <aphillip> ... asked if we can warehouse information about non-latin script
14:22:45 <aphillip> ... specifically justification rules
14:22:55 <aphillip> ... how this or that script does it
14:23:00 <aphillip> ... sounds reasonable
14:23:10 <aphillip> ... doing this in layout requirements
14:23:21 <aphillip> ... other information outside layout reqs tho
14:23:30 <aphillip> ... could make small documents for other scripts
14:23:45 <aphillip> ... but when you get lots and lots of documents it gets harder to maintain/keep track of
14:23:53 <aphillip> ... thing to point to might be wiki
14:23:57 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Typography
14:24:19 <aphillip> richard: above wiki page points to different requirements and spec descriptions and tests and such
14:24:26 <aphillip> ... also external information as well
14:24:34 <aphillip> ... for latin and non-latin
14:28:31 <aphillip> richard: ideas for how to move forward?
14:29:15 <aphillip> richard: possibility of getting an ethiopic layout requirements document
14:30:07 <aphillip> addison: desire for an arabic script document
14:30:30 <aphillip> richard: was approached at IUC about possibility, might get back to that
14:31:27 <aphillip> action: richard: contact interested parties about starting an Arabic script layout task force
14:31:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-443 - Contact interested parties about starting an arabic script layout task force [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-05-21].
14:32:00 <aphillip> richard: if you know about information about non-latin script, please send links
14:32:06 <aphillip> agenda?
14:33:09 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:33:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Review pending comments" taken up [from aphillip]
14:34:22 <aphillip> Media Capture and Streams
14:34:23 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/78
14:34:32 <aphillip> issue-464?
14:34:32 <trackbot> issue-464 -- 'label' needs direction and language metadata ⓟ -- open
14:34:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/464
14:34:37 <aphillip> issue-465?
14:34:37 <trackbot> issue-465 -- Human readable message not localizable? ⓟ -- open
14:34:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/465
14:35:08 <aphillip> Generating JSON from tabular data
14:35:10 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/79
14:35:25 <aphillip> issue-466?
14:35:25 <trackbot> issue-466 -- Can JSON data be generated from non UTF-8 encoded CSV data ⓟ -- open
14:35:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/466
14:35:46 <aphillip> steve: no mention if csv has to be encoded in utf-8
14:35:56 <aphillip> ... model allows legacy encodings
14:36:38 <aphillip> addison: implicit conversion
14:37:44 <aphillip> ... not even Encoding spec, since they support *any* encoding
14:37:55 <aphillip> richard: should have health warning about conversion
14:39:23 <aphillip> steve: "be explicit"
14:39:28 <aphillip> issue-467?
14:39:28 <trackbot> issue-467 -- What are the rules for string equality when column names are matched with annotations ⓟ -- open
14:39:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/467
14:39:47 <aphillip> steve: can have names in columns
14:39:58 <aphillip> ... what are the rules for identifier equality?
14:40:01 <aphillip> ... no statement
14:40:18 <aphillip> ... normailized or not?
14:40:46 <aphillip> issue-468?
14:40:46 <trackbot> issue-468 -- Do Unicode Strings get normalized when placed into JSON data ⓟ -- open
14:40:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/468
14:41:05 <aphillip> steve: when generating json data, are they normalizing?
14:41:07 <aphillip> ... no mention
14:41:18 <aphillip> ... NFC required? or implementaiton detail?
14:43:57 <aphillip> addison: 1. use a normalizing transcoder
14:44:13 <aphillip> ... 2. don't normalize text already in a unicode encoding
14:44:20 <aphillip> steve: will propose text
14:44:33 <aphillip> ... probably all of this appliable to the RDF spec too
14:44:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:45:08 <aphillip> Web payments use cases
14:45:15 <aphillip> richard: sent an email out
14:45:18 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0057.html
14:45:48 <aphillip> richard: items I found were not specifically i18n
14:47:22 <aphillip> ... will send these along
14:48:50 <aphillip> agenda?
14:48:58 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:48:58 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Character Model" taken up [from aphillip]
14:49:09 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
14:50:07 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0059.html
14:51:10 <Zakim> -David
14:51:22 <aphillip> addison: reorder sections
14:55:26 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0061.html
14:56:51 <Zakim> -Leandro
15:04:38 <aphillip> wildebeest->resource
15:04:44 <aphillip> namespace->vocabulary
15:05:17 <aphillip> addison: will post changes this week
15:05:54 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:06:31 <Zakim> -Richard
15:06:33 <Zakim> -JcK
15:06:39 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:07:46 <aphillip> s/implementaiton/implementation/
15:14:00 <Zakim> -Steve_Atkin
15:14:01 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:14:01 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:14:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Steve_Atkin, Richard, +1.408.536.aabb, Leandro, JcK, David
15:14:12 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:20 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:14:20 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:14:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference [1]
15:14:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-irc#T14-21-17
15:14:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: contact interested parties about starting an Arabic script layout task force [2]
15:14:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-irc#T14-31-27
15:14:24 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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