IRC log of i18n on 2015-05-14

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13:54:59 [aphillip]: trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:55:01 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
13:55:03 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 4186
13:55:03 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:04 [trackbot]: Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:55:04 [trackbot]: Date: 14 May 2015
13:55:14 [aphillip]: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015May/0010.html
13:55:19 [aphillip]: Chair: Addison Phillips
13:55:25 [aphillip]: ScribeNick: aphillip
13:55:44 [aphillip]: agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:55:59 [aphillip]: agenda+ Process Change for Working Group
13:56:08 [aphillip]: agenda+ Encoding update
13:56:17 [aphillip]: agenda+ Character Model
13:56:30 [aphillip]: agenda+ Review pending comments
13:56:42 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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13:58:30 [Zakim]: I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
13:58:37 [Zakim]: + +1.813.410.aaaa
13:59:35 [Zakim]: +aphillip
13:59:55 [aphillip]: zakim, +1.813 is Steve_Atkin
13:59:55 [Zakim]: +Steve_Atkin; got it
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14:00:56 [r12a]: zakim, dial richard please
14:00:56 [Zakim]: ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:00:57 [Zakim]: +Richard
14:01:32 [Zakim]: + +1.408.536.aabb
14:01:48 [Zakim]: +??P13
14:01:48 [aphillip]: zakim, +1.408 is Leandro
14:01:49 [Zakim]: +Leandro; got it
14:01:55 [Zakim]: +JcK
14:02:04 [aphillip]: zakim,, ??P13 is David
14:02:05 [Zakim]: I don't understand ', ??P13 is David', aphillip
14:02:21 [David]: Zakim, ??P13 is me
14:02:21 [Zakim]: +David; got it
14:02:29 [aphillip]: zakim, who is here?
14:02:29 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Richard, Leandro, David, JcK
14:02:31 [Zakim]: On IRC I see JcK, Leandro, r12a, David, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, koji, trackbot
14:03:06 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:03:14 [aphillip]: Topic: Agenda
14:03:58 [aphillip]: Topic: Action Items
14:03:59 [aphillip]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:13 [aphillip]: action-440?
14:06:13 [trackbot]: action-440 -- Richard Ishida to Follow up with daniel about ethiopic information -- due 2015-05-14 -- OPEN
14:06:13 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/440
14:06:20 [aphillip]: close action-440
14:06:20 [trackbot]: Closed action-440.
14:06:27 [aphillip]: richard: did this, waiting for a response from him
14:06:44 [aphillip]: action-441?
14:06:44 [trackbot]: action-441 -- Richard Ishida to Write back to fantasai/csswg and propose a way to organize layout information -- due 2015-05-14 -- OPEN
14:06:44 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/441
14:06:54 [aphillip]: richard: did chat with fantasai, need to type up results
14:07:07 [aphillip]: agenda+ organizing layout information
14:07:19 [aphillip]: close action-441
14:07:19 [trackbot]: Closed action-441.
14:07:24 [aphillip]: Topic: Info Share
14:07:30 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:07:45 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:08:26 [aphillip]: zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:26 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:08:33 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:09:10 [r12a]: agenda+ web payments review
14:10:19 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:10:32 [aphillip]: richard: put "rangefinder" into radar?
14:10:36 [aphillip]: addison: will do
14:11:18 [aphillip]: richard: adding some of your guidelines to document, will post soon
14:11:39 [aphillip]: ... just throwing them in, not "carefully crafting"
14:11:44 [aphillip]: ... "you have been warned"
14:14:12 [aphillip]: richard: counter styles: plan to change hebrew
14:14:22 [aphillip]: ... css will reissue and we'll need to track
14:14:55 [aphillip]: richard: some updating on articless
14:14:59 [aphillip]: ... use of <b> and <i>
14:15:11 [aphillip]: ... syncing text quotes from html5 to the document
14:15:16 [aphillip]: ... message remains the same
14:15:59 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:16:15 [aphillip]: zakim, take up agendum 2
14:16:15 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "Process Change for Working Group" taken up [from aphillip]
14:18:41 [r12a]: http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#last-call
14:19:06 [aphillip]: addison: proposal to change this WG to the 2014 process
14:21:17 [aphillip]: action: addison: remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference
14:21:17 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-442 - Remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-05-21].
14:21:22 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:22:08 [aphillip]: zakim, take up agendum 6
14:22:08 [Zakim]: agendum 6. "organizing layout information" taken up [from aphillip]
14:22:20 [aphillip]: richard: fantasai from css
14:22:33 [aphillip]: ... asked if we can warehouse information about non-latin script
14:22:45 [aphillip]: ... specifically justification rules
14:22:55 [aphillip]: ... how this or that script does it
14:23:00 [aphillip]: ... sounds reasonable
14:23:10 [aphillip]: ... doing this in layout requirements
14:23:21 [aphillip]: ... other information outside layout reqs tho
14:23:30 [aphillip]: ... could make small documents for other scripts
14:23:45 [aphillip]: ... but when you get lots and lots of documents it gets harder to maintain/keep track of
14:23:53 [aphillip]: ... thing to point to might be wiki
14:23:57 [r12a]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Typography
14:24:19 [aphillip]: richard: above wiki page points to different requirements and spec descriptions and tests and such
14:24:26 [aphillip]: ... also external information as well
14:24:34 [aphillip]: ... for latin and non-latin
14:28:31 [aphillip]: richard: ideas for how to move forward?
14:29:15 [aphillip]: richard: possibility of getting an ethiopic layout requirements document
14:30:07 [aphillip]: addison: desire for an arabic script document
14:30:30 [aphillip]: richard: was approached at IUC about possibility, might get back to that
14:31:27 [aphillip]: action: richard: contact interested parties about starting an Arabic script layout task force
14:31:27 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-443 - Contact interested parties about starting an arabic script layout task force [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-05-21].
14:32:00 [aphillip]: richard: if you know about information about non-latin script, please send links
14:32:06 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:33:09 [aphillip]: zakim, take up agendum 5
14:33:09 [Zakim]: agendum 5. "Review pending comments" taken up [from aphillip]
14:34:22 [aphillip]: Media Capture and Streams
14:34:23 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/78
14:34:32 [aphillip]: issue-464?
14:34:32 [trackbot]: issue-464 -- 'label' needs direction and language metadata ⓟ -- open
14:34:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/464
14:34:37 [aphillip]: issue-465?
14:34:37 [trackbot]: issue-465 -- Human readable message not localizable? ⓟ -- open
14:34:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/465
14:35:08 [aphillip]: Generating JSON from tabular data
14:35:10 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/79
14:35:25 [aphillip]: issue-466?
14:35:25 [trackbot]: issue-466 -- Can JSON data be generated from non UTF-8 encoded CSV data ⓟ -- open
14:35:25 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/466
14:35:46 [aphillip]: steve: no mention if csv has to be encoded in utf-8
14:35:56 [aphillip]: ... model allows legacy encodings
14:36:38 [aphillip]: addison: implicit conversion
14:37:44 [aphillip]: ... not even Encoding spec, since they support *any* encoding
14:37:55 [aphillip]: richard: should have health warning about conversion
14:39:23 [aphillip]: steve: "be explicit"
14:39:28 [aphillip]: issue-467?
14:39:28 [trackbot]: issue-467 -- What are the rules for string equality when column names are matched with annotations ⓟ -- open
14:39:28 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/467
14:39:47 [aphillip]: steve: can have names in columns
14:39:58 [aphillip]: ... what are the rules for identifier equality?
14:40:01 [aphillip]: ... no statement
14:40:18 [aphillip]: ... normailized or not?
14:40:46 [aphillip]: issue-468?
14:40:46 [trackbot]: issue-468 -- Do Unicode Strings get normalized when placed into JSON data ⓟ -- open
14:40:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/468
14:41:05 [aphillip]: steve: when generating json data, are they normalizing?
14:41:07 [aphillip]: ... no mention
14:41:18 [aphillip]: ... NFC required? or implementaiton detail?
14:43:57 [aphillip]: addison: 1. use a normalizing transcoder
14:44:13 [aphillip]: ... 2. don't normalize text already in a unicode encoding
14:44:20 [aphillip]: steve: will propose text
14:44:33 [aphillip]: ... probably all of this appliable to the RDF spec too
14:44:45 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:45:08 [aphillip]: Web payments use cases
14:45:15 [aphillip]: richard: sent an email out
14:45:18 [r12a]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0057.html
14:45:48 [aphillip]: richard: items I found were not specifically i18n
14:47:22 [aphillip]: ... will send these along
14:48:50 [aphillip]: agenda?
14:48:58 [aphillip]: zakim, take up agendum 4
14:48:58 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "Character Model" taken up [from aphillip]
14:49:09 [aphillip]: http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
14:50:07 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0059.html
14:51:10 [Zakim]: -David
14:51:22 [aphillip]: addison: reorder sections
14:55:26 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0061.html
14:56:51 [Zakim]: -Leandro
15:04:38 [aphillip]: wildebeest->resource
15:04:44 [aphillip]: namespace->vocabulary
15:05:17 [aphillip]: addison: will post changes this week
15:05:54 [aphillip]: Topic: AOB?
15:06:31 [Zakim]: -Richard
15:06:33 [Zakim]: -JcK
15:06:39 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:39 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:07:46 [aphillip]: s/implementaiton/implementation/
15:14:00 [Zakim]: -Steve_Atkin
15:14:01 [Zakim]: -aphillip
15:14:01 [Zakim]: I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:14:01 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Steve_Atkin, Richard, +1.408.536.aabb, Leandro, JcK, David
15:14:12 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:12 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:20 [aphillip]: rrsagent, bye
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: addison: remind working group to read new process document for adoption voting at next week's teleconference [1]
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-irc#T14-21-17
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: richard: contact interested parties about starting an Arabic script layout task force [2]
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-i18n-irc#T14-31-27
15:14:24 [aphillip]: zakim, bye
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