IRC log of dap on 2015-05-14

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 14 May 2015
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0038.html
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fjh has changed the topic to: dap agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0038.html code 3279
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Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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Topic: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
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+[IPcaller.a]
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zakim, ipcaller is me
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+fjh; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see [IPcaller.a], fjh
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On IRC I see Claes, fjh_, anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, richt, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, trackbot
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zakim, IPcaller.a is anssi
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+anssi; got it
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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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+ +46.7.03.79.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Claes
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+Claes; got it
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Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:01:36 [tobie]
I'm having a hard time joining the call. Please bear with me.
14:02:11 [fjh]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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+[IPcaller]
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[ is me
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Zakim, [ is me
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+tobie; got it
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-tobie
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arg
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Present+ Tobie_Langel
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ScribeNick: anssik
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TOPIC: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements
14:08:58 [anssik]
fjh: new members joined the group, welcome
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Welcome to new members
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Alexis, Intel https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0006.html
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Yong Ding, Huawei https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0026.html
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Tobie, Intel https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0002.html
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anssi: alexis has been working on webkit, chromium, working on sensor prototypes
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anssik: is based in brussels may not be able to join calls
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s/anssi:/anssik:/
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s/brussels/Brazil/
14:10:21 [fjh]
Media Capture and Streams" transitioned to Last Call.
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Feedback on /TR styles requested https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0036.html
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continuous change in the planning
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [ is me
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+tobie; got it
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TOPIC: Minutes approval
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Approve minutes from 5 March 2015
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Topic: Minutes approval
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proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 5 March 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/att-0003/minutes-2015-03-05.html
14:12:42 [anssik]
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 5 March 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/att-0003/minutes-2015-03-05.html
14:12:50 [anssik]
Topic: Zakim to WebEx change
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Discuss change to WebEx and timing
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0037.html
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will use webex for voice only, not chat or screen sharing, will send info, plan to use it instead of zakim for next call
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Topic: Web Payments Use Cases
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Request for review before June 16: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0038.html
14:14:17 [Claes]
Would it be ok to take the topic "TCP/UDP Socket API to Community Group" now?
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Topic: TCP/UDP Socket API to Community Group
14:14:45 [fjh]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0000.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0022.html
14:16:20 [anssik]
from http://www.w3.org/2011/07/DeviceAPICharter: "... based on the current Web browser security model"
14:18:31 [fjh]
I’ve reviewed this and the community group seems like a good approach for now, if the situation changes we can consider moving this into DAP if it makes sense
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Topic: Ambient Light
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Anssi msg to Microsoft team https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0028.html
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Adrian acknowledged
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Topic: Generic Sensor API
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issues: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/
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tobie: I was expecting people to contribute via GH issues
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... I'm happy to go through the high level bits
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q+
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q-
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... can work on a FPWD too
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... we started working on the GH repo around Nov 2014
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... a lot of activity within a week or so
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... the high level goals
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... has been working with Rick Waldron who contributed the initial spec blueprint
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... that can be applied to specific sensors being worked on in this group
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q?
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... issues: understand performance issues, how much the browser is aware of existing sensors
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q+
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q+
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... would like to talk to implementers with regard the issues around performance in particular
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ack anssik
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anssik: should connect you with our browser people that work on chromium
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anssik: you need to reach out to Google
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anssik: ?? has implemented device orientation, motion
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anssik: also Mounir
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Tim Volodine is working on sensors in Chromium
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s/??/Tim Volodine/
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... also Riju from Intel has implemented Ambient Light
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ScribeNick: fjh
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anssik: issues are performance and discovery
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tobie: need to know which sensors are available and what is cost, do it sync or async
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anssiK; not just entry point issue
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tobie: does presence of api imply that sensor exists?
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s/api/API/
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tobie: all same question, need to inderstand life cycle of sensor vs lifecycle of page
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s/inderstand/understand/
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tobie: main issue is knowing whether sensor is there or not
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anssik: generic sensor api designed from node.js perspectaive
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q+
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s/perspectaive/perspective/
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tobie: simple API vs performance
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ack Claes
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Claes: in web of things interest group, what is connection to that group
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q+ on IoT
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… using REST APIs
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ack tobie
14:32:58 [Zakim]
tobie, you wanted to comment on IoT
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tobie: Raggett shared presentation with me from his Munich, will look at it
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s/Raggett/Dave Raggett dsr
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Claes: might help mapping concrete Javascript APIs to generic sensor apis
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tobie: can you please open github issue
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Claes: yes
14:36:01 [anssik]
fjh: producing a draft spec sounds like a good next step
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Need to drop off now. Bye
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... allows us to get feedback from people now on calls
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-Claes
14:38:28 [fjh]
will have calls as needed but expect much work will be async, on list
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tobie: expect ot have a draft end May
14:38:55 [anssik]
tobie: targeting end of May for the draft spec
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s/tobie: expect ot have a draft end May//
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh
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s/ [ is me//
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s/arg//
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s/I'm having a hard time joining the call. Please bear with me.//
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s/dsr/(dsr)/
14:42:06 [anssik]
anssik: feedback from both Node/io.js and browser implementers would be very welcome early in the process
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anssik: tobie if you have list of issues related to performance I could share with our internal team
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-tobie
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anssik: issue #9 re event targets is performance consideration
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+[IPcaller]
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… what are other issues on critical
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suggest you ask about issues on list anssik, tobie can answer on list
14:47:13 [fjh]
Topic: Battery
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fjh: anything new?
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anssik: update from Intel QA re tests - looking at root cause for test failures, will report to the list
14:48:14 [fjh]
… not sure if issue is with test harness or test cases, so need to look into it.
14:48:29 [fjh]
… still pending mozilla implementation update as well, no apparent activity
14:54:49 [Zakim]
-[IPcaller]
14:55:07 [fjh]
I suggest that on a call we review github decisions and resolve them in conjunction with discussing the draft, thus avoiding a purely administrative discussion and linking with real work
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see anssi, fjh
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On IRC I see anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, richt, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, trackbot
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-fjh
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-anssi
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Attendees were fjh, anssi, +46.7.03.79.aaaa, Claes, [IPcaller], tobie
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh
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Regrets+ Giri_Mandyam
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh_
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s/\[ is me//
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