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13:30:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:30:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
13:30:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:30:23 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2015
13:30:58 <Vivienne> regrets: Annika Nietzio and Christos Kouroupetroglou
13:31:24 <Vivienne> regret: Yehya Mohamad
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13:37:05 <mhakkinen> zakim, who is on the phone
13:37:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', mhakkinen
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13:37:21 <mhakkinen> zakim, who is on the call
13:37:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', mhakkinen
13:37:27 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:37:27 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:37:28 <Zakim> 1. upcoming RDWG work & meetings [from shadi]
13:38:28 <Vivienne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2013/user-modeling/note/ED-UM4A
13:42:09 <mhakkinen> Vivienne and mark discuss status of User Modelling. Mostly editorial work.
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13:45:51 <mhakkinen> zakim, who's here?
13:45:51 <Zakim> I notice WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has restarted
13:45:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, Vivienne, Jason, [IPcaller], Mark_Hakkinen, ??P16
13:45:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see sharper, mhakkinen, jasonjgw, sloandr, RRSAgent, klaus, Vivienne, Zakim, trackbot
13:46:07 <sloandr> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:46:07 <Zakim> +sloandr; got it
13:46:11 <sharper> I'm here
13:46:17 <sharper> Hi
13:48:35 <sloandr> ack me
13:48:43 <sharper> q+
13:50:13 <mhakkinen> dsloan: suggest query editors of each of report to get status of where the work stands. What is needed to reach completion, required effort, level of commitment.
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13:51:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:52:07 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:52:07 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:59:39 <mhakkinen> dsloan: Text Customization report is in Wiki format, not the final document format.  Note would add section to cover areas not addressed in the symposium papers.  Not in a position to provide estimate, yet.
14:00:23 <sharper> q?
14:00:33 <mhakkinen> vivienne: brief summary and highlighting of gaps where research is needed.
14:01:19 <sharper> oops no sound
14:01:28 <mhakkinen> dsloan: goal is not an exhaustive lit review
14:01:49 <mhakkinen> we hear you
14:03:16 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
14:03:16 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
14:04:47 <mhakkinen> sharper:  two types of editing: those who have not completed editing, and those who have had multiple drafts... felt they conform, but feel goal posts have changed.  Metrics authors feel it is out of date and not worth publishing at this point.
14:04:53 <shadi> q+ to speak about expected criteria and metrics note
14:05:06 <sharper> q-
14:05:12 <shadi> ack me
14:05:12 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to speak about expected criteria and metrics note
14:06:48 <mhakkinen> shadi: agree with Simon.  Never made the goal posts clear, such as quality, writing style.  Should work on criteria as to what is expected.  What should be in the notes.
14:08:04 <mhakkinen> shadi: Disagree with Simon on the metrics regarding quality metrics. Not provided anywhere else, and report is being referenced in some EU work.  Would like to see it finished sooner rather than later.
14:09:32 <sloandr> Do we have a formal record of each unpublished Note, and the editors? i.e. a quantification of the issue we're dealing with?
14:10:17 <shadi> s/regarding quality metrics/. Actually important work on defining quality criteria for metrics
14:11:16 <mhakkinen> vivienne: Most recent symposium on Wayfinding awaiting work.  Recommend that we use the simplified note model for this one. Summary of what was discussed.
14:12:36 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen: How do we reconcile the views Metrics note?
14:13:43 <mhakkinen> shadi:  have a clear write up on the specific issues and propose edits to resolve the issues to the group.  We can then finalize.
14:15:24 <mhakkinen> shadi: on the Easy to Read note, the comments are on the language/editorial. Not controversial. Overly complex language. Editors are not able to take it further.  Comes back to the issue, what is it we expect for the note. Highlights a need for guidelines for writing style.
14:16:21 <mhakkinen> shadi: regarding metrics, a proposal to the group, via survey.
14:16:41 <mhakkinen> vivienne: action then to take the proposal to the group.
14:16:45 <sharper> +1
14:16:45 <mhakkinen> +1
14:16:50 <sloandr> +1
14:16:51 <Vivienne> +1
14:16:51 <shadi> +1
14:17:05 <klaus> +1
14:17:42 <mhakkinen> shadi: a survey ready for next meeting.  with discussion following week.
14:17:48 <mhakkinen> +1
14:18:14 <shadi> [prepare survey for launching on 20 may]
14:19:32 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen: vivienne and mark can prepare disucssion of user modelling editorial changes for next meeting.
14:20:35 <sloandr> ack me
14:21:35 <mhakkinen> vivienne: progress on two notes will be positive.  Asks David about text customization. Can progress be made in a few weeks?
14:22:21 <mhakkinen> dsloan: work on achievable deliverable, and will share a status update in two weeks time.
14:22:45 <klaus> sorry, my mic has problems. only wanted to say that I am happy to go on with the e2r report based on recommendations and with help on language coming in. Have to leave, sorry.
14:22:52 <Zakim> -??P11
14:23:46 <sharper> not me
14:23:52 <sharper> I'm at W4A
14:25:35 <Zakim> -sloandr
14:25:49 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen: no meeting next week due to W4A
14:25:52 <sharper> Sorry guys I need to leave for my next meeting now.
14:25:59 <Zakim> -??P16
14:26:24 <Zakim> -Jason
14:27:16 <Zakim> +Jason
14:31:08 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
14:31:14 <Zakim> -Jason
14:31:34 <Vivienne> bye
14:31:36 <Zakim> -shadi
14:31:54 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:31:55 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:31:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Vivienne, Jason, Mark_Hakkinen, sloandr, shadi
16:24:59 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
16:24:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:24:59 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:25:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:25:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/13-rd-minutes.html trackbot
16:25:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:25:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items