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16:28:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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16:28:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:28:58 <trackbot> Date: 07 May 2015
16:29:00 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG()12:30PM has now started
16:29:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
16:29:08 <Zakim> +Fred_Esch
16:29:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI_PF ARIA Caucus
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16:29:25 <Zakim> +Stefan_Schnabel
16:29:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
16:29:46 <Zakim> +??P3
16:29:49 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
16:29:56 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:29:59 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:29:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Fred_Esch, Stefan_Schnabel, ??P3, Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:30:06 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
16:30:06 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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16:31:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/04/02/edx_settlement_agreement.pdf
16:32:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015May/0047.html
16:33:22 <Zakim> +Markus
16:34:06 <Zakim> +ShaneM
16:34:11 <ShaneM> zakim, mute me
16:34:11 <Zakim> ShaneM should now be muted
16:34:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> : http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/04/02/edx_settlement_agreement.pdf
16:36:06 <Zakim> +??P7
16:36:27 <Zakim> -ShaneM
16:36:44 <Zakim> +??P6
16:37:21 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P7 is me
16:37:21 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
16:37:34 <MichaelC> ack me
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16:38:22 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
16:38:23 <Zakim> +Matt_King
16:38:50 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015May/0047.html
16:38:54 <MichaelC> ack me
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16:39:34 <MichaelC> topic: Zakim decomissioning
16:39:40 <MichaelC> js: Zakim bridge will be turned off due to cost
16:40:01 <MichaelC> switching to WebEx, which has no marginal cost to W3C because of MIT agreement
16:40:15 <MichaelC> will still use the Zakim bot in IRC, but it won´t identify callers
16:40:22 <MichaelC> have to transition within a few weeks
16:41:03 <MichaelC> Web interface to WebEx not terribly accessible
16:41:08 <MichaelC> but smartphone clients seem to be
16:41:29 <MichaelC> need to test out soon
16:41:30 <MichaelC> ack me
16:41:38 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:43:15 <MichaelC> mc: you can dial out, request it call you, or use its VOIP feature
16:43:29 <MichaelC> best to install the client before the meeting starts
16:44:13 <MichaelC> mk: what about passcodes?
16:44:44 <MichaelC> mc: different passcode for each meeting
16:45:37 <MichaelC> but a given meeting can have the same passcode week to week
16:45:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/709
16:45:58 <MichaelC> rs: issue with passcode collision with different dial-in numbers?
16:46:12 <MichaelC> mc: afaik it´s a global system, no passcode collision
16:46:20 <MichaelC> topic: Issue 709 Define an Extension Mechanism for ARIA roles
16:46:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Apr/0160.html
16:49:08 <MichaelC> rs: ^ starting proposal
16:50:02 <MichaelC> mk, rs: <scribe didn´t catch enough context>
16:50:10 <MichaelC> rs: need AAPI mappings for new roles
16:50:15 <MichaelC> some things may not map
16:50:36 <MichaelC> mk: in which case how does it pass CR?
16:50:41 <MichaelC> q+
16:51:17 <joanie> q+ To talk about what all "mapping" might mean wrt exposure
16:51:36 <MichaelC> mg: implementations needn´t be limited to browsers
16:51:46 <MichaelC> an epub reader could be a valid test target for DPub roles
16:52:07 <MichaelC> though guess we want to check with W3C process
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16:52:21 <MichaelC> rs: think we´d want in browsers or authoring tools
16:52:22 <ShaneM> q+ to mention that I don't think authoring tools are relevant to CR for ARIA specs (today)
16:53:05 <MichaelC> for ARIA 1.0 we looked for two implementions of each role in the mapping table
16:53:18 <MichaelC> mk: note we didn´t look at AT implementation
16:54:08 <MichaelC> mg: publishers are interested in other things than AT mapping
16:54:19 <MichaelC> doing element repurposing
16:54:25 <MichaelC> affects authoring more than rendering
16:54:42 <MichaelC> rs: benefits a11y for AU tools to support that
16:55:22 <MichaelC> mg: but for CR, not necessarily expecting to measure AAPI mappings, if there are other things of interest to measure
16:55:38 <janina> q+
16:55:53 <MichaelC> rs: think there should be AAPI mappings for DPub extension
16:55:57 <MichaelC> ack me
16:56:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:57:37 <MichaelC> mc: W3C process doesn´t force certain interpretation of CR
16:57:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack joanie
16:57:46 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to talk about what all "mapping" might mean wrt exposure
16:58:02 <MichaelC> we´ll have to decide in our extension planning whether AAPI mappings is a hard requirement
16:58:15 <MichaelC> jd: @@
16:58:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:58:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack ShaneM
16:58:33 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to mention that I don't think authoring tools are relevant to CR for ARIA specs (today)
16:58:33 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
16:58:49 <MichaelC> sm: don't think authoring tools are relevant to CR for ARIA specs (today)
16:59:12 <MichaelC> we have avoided conformance requirements targeting AU tools
16:59:17 <MichaelC> what sort of things are not mapped?
16:59:30 <MichaelC> rs: rowgroup wasn´t mapped in 1.0 (for one platform)
16:59:45 <MichaelC> sm: what does that mean?
16:59:59 <MichaelC> rs: the ARIA role was discarded on that platform
17:00:22 <MichaelC> sm: my proposal is any new roles have to map into taxonomy
17:00:24 <joanie> s/@@/In cases where things are "not mapped" (e.g. to a specific role), they can still be exposed (e.g. via an object attribute). This exposure to accessibility APIs would make it possible to implement, and verify implementation of, items in extensions like DPUB.
17:00:40 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-aria-minutes.html joanie
17:00:41 <MichaelC> so what you´re saying isn´t about that, it´s about AAPI mapping
17:00:43 <MichaelC> rs: right
17:00:53 <MichaelC> important to tell AT what to do
17:01:14 <MichaelC> mk: if an extension didn´t have a mapping, what value does it bring?
17:01:35 <MichaelC> rs: platforms are different
17:01:36 <Stefan> +q
17:01:50 <MichaelC> mk: but what about if no mapping on any platform?
17:01:59 <joanie> q+ To reiterate what she was saying, in response to Matt's current question.
17:02:17 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about speculative mapping
17:02:38 <MichaelC> rs: example: role=¨part¨
17:02:52 <MichaelC> doesn´t help AT, but helps authors, or someone doing landmark navigation
17:03:01 <MichaelC> helps to have the semantics present
17:03:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:03:10 <MichaelC> ack jo
17:03:10 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to reiterate what she was saying, in response to Matt's current question.
17:03:40 <MichaelC> jd: say ¨part¨ was really important for AT
17:03:56 <MichaelC> there could be an object attribute, that an authoring tool could get at even though not a direct AAPI feature
17:04:00 <joanie> q-
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17:04:31 <MichaelC> rs: one API turns on ¨isLandmark¨ but doesn´t expose specific role
17:04:46 <MichaelC> mk: something with 0 exposure has no value
17:05:12 <MichaelC> still need *something* defined
17:05:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:05:20 <MichaelC> jd: yup
17:05:26 <MichaelC> the DAAM would provide that
17:05:39 <MichaelC> <MC calls it the DPub-AAM to avoid that acronym>
17:05:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack janina
17:05:57 <MichaelC> js: we can negotiate CR exit criteria
17:06:32 <MichaelC> and global requirements are fairly loose, there´s room for negotiation
17:06:54 <MichaelC> some of it depends on the specific wordign we choose for the spec
17:07:29 <MichaelC> just need to demonstrate something reliably happening
17:07:41 <MichaelC> there may be cascading situations where need to test more than 2 to work out the permutations
17:07:44 <mgylling> q+
17:07:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:07:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Stefan
17:08:37 <MichaelC> ss: @@ extensions properties
17:08:51 <MichaelC> rs: the properties mechanism might be more owrk
17:08:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:09:17 <MichaelC> ss: what about expandable region descending from region?
17:09:33 <MichaelC> general case of pattern taken from base role
17:09:34 <MichaelC> rs: that´s ARIA 2.0
17:09:42 <MichaelC> we´re just dealing with name conflicts now
17:09:53 <ShaneM> q+ to ask why new roles cannot add other states or properties that are already defined?
17:09:58 <MichaelC> ack me
17:09:59 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to talk about speculative mapping
17:10:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Michael_Cooper
17:10:53 <MichaelC> mc: we might want roles that map to features that don´t yet exist
17:11:11 <MichaelC> rs: don´t want to throw stuff over the wall
17:11:56 <MichaelC> mc: in that case we would say ¨expose an object attribute¨
17:11:57 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:11:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack mgylling
17:12:15 <MichaelC> but might want to say ¨we´d love a more direct feature¨
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17:12:42 <MichaelC> mg: we can provide mappings in the DPub-AAM for DPub roles
17:13:04 <MichaelC> some of the mappings might be the same as ancestor roles in the taxonomy
17:13:15 <mattking> q+ To ask about - vs : as the myvocab separator
17:14:16 <ShaneM> q?
17:14:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:14:20 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
17:14:20 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask why new roles cannot add other states or properties that are already defined?
17:15:35 <MichaelC> sm: if we collaborate we should be able to avoid collisions
17:16:07 <MichaelC> we don´t yet have a way to add new states and properties in extensions
17:16:25 <MichaelC> but can extensions use existing states and properties?
17:16:27 <MichaelC> rs: yes
17:16:47 <MichaelC> jn: what about new values for states and properties?
17:17:01 <MichaelC> rs: that would change existing roles
17:17:09 <MichaelC> jn: yet that´s needed for extensions
17:17:16 <MichaelC> rs: lots of work to do on that level of extensibility
17:17:25 <MichaelC> ack me
17:18:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:18:07 <MichaelC> mc: I´m hearing we have 2 extensibility levels now
17:18:11 <MichaelC> a full fledged one for ARIA 2
17:18:23 <MichaelC> and some immediate needs that are more constrained
17:18:34 <MichaelC> let´s sort what goes into which bucket
17:18:41 <MichaelC> and then focus on supporting the immediate case
17:19:20 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
17:19:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-aria-minutes.html janina
17:19:49 <MichaelC> mk: did you mean to be so specific in extension restrictions?
17:20:15 <MichaelC> sm: HTML 5 constrains us, can´t use full extensibility features of the Role Attribute
17:20:26 <MichaelC> so we have to sort out what to do in a single namespace
17:22:19 <MichaelC> rs: which is why we have aria-* for properties
17:22:31 <MichaelC> mk: problem with multiple hyphens in a property name?
17:22:45 <MichaelC> rs: expect to use vocab-aria-property pattern
17:23:02 <MichaelC> a lot more to sort before we get there
17:23:10 <MichaelC> ack me
17:23:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack mattking
17:23:29 <Zakim> mattking, you wanted to ask about - vs : as the myvocab separator
17:23:33 <ShaneM> I don't mind using aria-foo-stateName for extensions...
17:25:02 <MichaelC> mc: why ¨MAY¨ descend from existing taxonomy
17:25:48 <MichaelC> sm: so not constrained by existing taxonomy, if it lacks features
17:26:01 <MichaelC> mc: can extend from roletype at least, suggest that be must extend taxonomy
17:27:12 <MichaelC> js: we need a thorough consensus test on this
17:27:21 <MichaelC> mc: yes, plus we also need really solid documentation
17:27:29 <ShaneM> q+ to say I dont think this proposal addresses the core issue
17:27:47 <MichaelC> we spent an hour discussing questions on the proposal, need to give more specific answers to DPub to allow them to restart work
17:27:54 <MichaelC> mg: don´t have that clarity just yet
17:28:00 <MichaelC> want to avoid getting deadlocked again
17:29:00 <MichaelC> ack s
17:29:00 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to say I dont think this proposal addresses the core issue
17:29:02 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
17:29:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Michael_Cooper
17:29:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:29:14 <MichaelC> mk: would this go in the ARIA spec?
17:29:15 <MichaelC> sm: no
17:29:19 <MichaelC> mg: why?
17:29:48 <MichaelC> sm: the core issue that came up after proposal went out
17:29:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:29:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:29:56 <MichaelC> is that people want to propose roles without semantic value
17:30:08 <MichaelC> that´s not an extension issue, that´s a ¨what is role for¨ issue
17:30:26 <MichaelC> we need a way for people to be able to add roles and not be called idiots
17:30:28 <joanie> q+ To ask if the way forward is the new AAM
17:30:43 <MichaelC> js: so we may need to have that ¨what is role for¨ discussion as well
17:30:55 <MichaelC> need to have something solid before we tell DPub to go ahead
17:31:02 <MichaelC> ack r
17:31:33 <MichaelC> rs: some of the discussion on DPub echoed our past experience trying to put ARIA in HTML
17:31:51 <MichaelC> we´re not the DPub experts and don´t think we should bottleneck the work of those who are
17:32:09 <joanie> +1 to our not being DPub experts
17:32:17 <ShaneM> Hypenation is NOT the issue here
17:32:29 <ShaneM> s/Hypenation/Hyphenation/
17:32:30 <MichaelC> yes, the issue of hyphenated role values was an issue
17:32:42 <MichaelC> but other discussion of valid roles is beyond our scope
17:33:07 <MichaelC> DPub should be welcome to define roles
17:33:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:33:12 <jamesn> q+
17:33:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack joanie
17:33:14 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask if the way forward is the new AAM
17:33:17 <MichaelC> we just need to sort out potential collisions if they want un hyphenated role names
17:33:33 <MichaelC> jd: is the next step to work on the DAAM?
17:33:38 <jamesn> q-
17:33:48 <MichaelC> think would find some really interesting stuff there
17:33:49 <MichaelC> q+
17:33:56 <ShaneM> q+ to ask how the mapping is different than saying what the parent role and additional properties are?
17:34:00 <MichaelC> maybe that would address philosophical problems
17:34:01 <MichaelC> ack me
17:34:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Michael_Cooper
17:35:05 <MichaelC> mc: concern that you can´t have mappings without something to map from
17:35:13 <MichaelC> wanted to put up roles, then map them
17:35:24 <MichaelC> could work on the roles and mappings together, but would be a while to publishing
17:35:34 <MichaelC> they were trying to go step by step
17:35:38 <MichaelC> jd: but it didn´t work out
17:35:45 <ShaneM> ack me
17:35:45 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask how the mapping is different than saying what the parent role and additional properties are?
17:35:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack ShaneM
17:35:48 <MichaelC> should find paths forward that don´t depend on FPWD
17:36:09 <MichaelC> sm: what does the mapping offer?
17:36:43 <MichaelC> jd: let´s take example of a footnote
17:36:47 <MichaelC> would love to add that to ATK
17:36:57 <MichaelC> could work on that while people debate the merits of footnotes
17:37:11 <MichaelC> sm: we do want to avoid implementation before we have basic agreement on the structure
17:37:20 <MichaelC> or we get boxed in with future directions
17:37:25 <MichaelC> that happened in ARIA 1.0
17:37:33 <MichaelC> rs: there is always something sub-optimal
17:37:43 <MichaelC> mk: tend to take FPWD as signal to start exploring implementation
17:37:55 <MichaelC> js: need to think through the consequences carefully
17:38:49 <MichaelC> there are legitmate clashes from different vocabularies
17:38:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:39:33 <joanie> For the record, I'm not a blocking person.
17:39:38 <MichaelC> but we can´t rewrite centuries of usage of a particular term
17:40:06 <MichaelC> need to figure out how to accomodate the legit clashes
17:40:18 <mattking> q+ was there any objection to dpub-part?
17:40:37 <MichaelC> cs: prototyping can be a good way to play with implementation without being over-committed
17:40:42 <MichaelC> ack r
17:40:52 <MichaelC> rs: want to prevent negative interaction with DPub TF
17:41:05 <MichaelC> we´re not going to redefine the publishing industry
17:41:46 <MichaelC> straw proposal - if a group puts role values in their own hyphenspace, we should not push back on the role
17:42:12 <MichaelC> (though have to talk about it if incorporating into ARIA core roles)
17:42:20 <ShaneM> q+ to say I agree with Rich but dont think it would solve the problem
17:42:41 <MichaelC> jn: no concerns if its in their hyphenspace, but original proposal was to put in the null hyphenspace
17:42:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack ShaneM
17:42:42 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to say I agree with Rich but dont think it would solve the problem
17:43:04 <MichaelC> sm: the core issue that came up was ¨this does not add to a11y¨
17:43:08 <MichaelC> we are not in a position to say that
17:43:49 <MichaelC> jn: it´s not a correct argument that was brought up
17:43:56 <MichaelC> knowing what something is makes it easier to get to it
17:44:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:44:22 <mgylling> q+
17:44:23 <MichaelC> sighted people have been doing this since Gutenberg, screen reader users only since DAISY
17:44:54 <MichaelC> rs: proposed resolution: If a group wants to put roles in their own hyphenspace, they have last say in what goes there
17:45:17 <MichaelC> mg: there was a discussion about scope of the role attribute
17:45:23 <MichaelC> is it only a11y, or is it more generic?
17:45:43 <MichaelC> have heard one thing, but also had W3C staff blatantly ignoring it
17:45:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:45:58 <MichaelC> ack m
17:46:01 <ShaneM> +1 to needing a positive statement from the PFWG about the scope of role values.
17:46:39 <MichaelC> js: think it´s a political argument, that it´s beyond mandate of PFWG to propose non-a11y roles
17:46:45 <MichaelC> q+
17:46:53 <MichaelC> q+ to compare HTML role from Role Attribute
17:47:24 <MichaelC> whereas our POV has been to invite people to take curbcut advantage of things like this
17:47:34 <MichaelC> mg: but get a different answer from HTML WG
17:47:36 <MichaelC> ack r
17:47:54 <MichaelC> rs: as long as it doesn´t break AAPI mappings, people should be able to use from beginning
17:48:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Michael_Cooper
17:48:10 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to compare HTML role from Role Attribute
17:49:55 <MichaelC> sm: yes, long post on HTML list
17:49:57 <MichaelC> ack me
17:50:11 <MichaelC> mc: PF published Role Attribute which clearly invites non a11y roles
17:50:14 <MichaelC> so we have precedent
17:50:24 <MichaelC> but have to negotiate with HTML inclusion of values in the HTML role attribute
17:50:36 <MichaelC> which only accepts ¨ARIA roles¨
17:51:16 <MichaelC> could put us in a situation of needing to define ¨a11y ARIA roles¨ and ¨other recognized roles¨ - which might be helfpul or anathema
17:51:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Shane work with Rich on updated process for creating new role value taxonomy extensions
17:51:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1633 - Work with rich on updated process for creating new role value taxonomy extensions [on Shane McCarron - due 2015-05-14].
17:51:36 <MichaelC> rs: SM, let´s work it up again
17:51:43 <MichaelC> mk: @@
17:52:22 <MichaelC> sm: HTML 5 has an extension mechanism, we need an extension mechanism
17:52:26 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:52:35 <MichaelC> mc: thought the HTML on is very informal, doens´t say how conflicts managed
17:53:01 <MichaelC> topic: Review Open Action Items and Issues
17:53:48 <MichaelC> rs: there are lots of actions that are not gettign done
17:53:55 <MichaelC> need to assign some of them
17:53:55 <Zakim> -Markus
17:54:03 <MichaelC> action-1073?
17:54:03 <trackbot> action-1073 -- Matthew King to Update aria-selected to reflect that it communicates selectability and clarify responsibility for ensuring aria-selected=false is on selectable elements -- due 2015-03-26 -- OPEN
17:54:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1073
17:54:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1073
17:55:00 <MichaelC> mk: ???
17:56:06 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-current
17:56:47 <MichaelC> rs: looking at actions for aria-current
17:56:52 <MichaelC> mk, jd: think they´re done
17:57:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> In some use cases for widgets that support aria-selected, current and selected can have different meanings and can both be used within the same set of elements. For example, aria-current="page" can be used in a navigation tree to indicate which page is currently displayed, while aria-selected="true" indicates which page will be displayed if the user activates the treeitem. Furthermore, the same tree may support operating on one or more selected pages
17:57:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> (treeitems) by way of a context menu containing options such as "delete" and "move."
17:58:03 <MichaelC> close action-1573
17:58:04 <trackbot> Closed action-1573.
17:59:29 <MichaelC> action-1363?
17:59:29 <trackbot> action-1363 -- James Craig to Patch issue-603: aria-startsmedia -- due 2015-03-12 -- OPEN
17:59:29 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1363
17:59:33 <MichaelC> rs: JD, can you take this?
17:59:49 <MichaelC> jd: I don´t agree with it, think someone who agrees with it should work on it
18:00:24 <MichaelC> mk: could move to ARIA 2
18:00:44 <MichaelC> jn: or propose ¨wontfix¨
18:01:05 <MichaelC> rs: will move issue-603 to ARIA 2.0
18:01:58 <MichaelC> rs: out of time; enough to bring up for next week?
18:02:07 <MichaelC> jd: do we need to start thinking ARIA 1.2?
18:02:58 <MichaelC> rs: bigger discussion
18:04:18 <MichaelC> rs: for heartbeat, want @@ in the spec
18:05:00 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:05:05 <MichaelC> mc: I have to start publication prep Monday, and need a WG consensus by Wednesday
18:05:09 <MichaelC> and all that is pushing the timeline
18:05:40 <MichaelC> js: we don´t know if we can publish for a while, if we don´t publish by 14 May, because charter discussion is not closed
18:05:53 <MichaelC> jd: MK and I will try hard to do it for Monday
18:06:09 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
18:06:09 <MichaelC> js: everyone please vote on the Authoring Practices FPWD
18:06:11 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:06:11 <Zakim> -Matt_King
18:06:16 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
18:06:18 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
18:06:18 <Zakim> -janina
18:06:28 <Zakim> -Fred_Esch
18:06:38 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
18:06:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fred_Esch, Stefan_Schnabel, Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, Markus, ShaneM, Michael_Cooper, Matt_King, James_Nurthen,
18:06:41 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:06:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
18:06:41 <Zakim> ... Cynthia_Shelly
18:07:00 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
18:07:10 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
18:10:43 <Zakim> -Stefan_Schnabel
18:10:44 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG()12:30PM has ended
18:10:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Fred_Esch, Stefan_Schnabel, Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, Markus, ShaneM, Michael_Cooper, Matt_King, James_Nurthen, Cynthia_Shelly
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